Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

That's probably why reshoots were required by the higher ups on Rogue One... too different, too adult.

Maybe the Vader material wasn't good enough.

Vader is probably easier to **** up than they thought.

[cicada88]

Whenever this thread gets bumped I think we are finally getting restored original trilogy without revisions

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by Fabs

This is exactly why I can't stand TFA. It's not only that it rehashed elements. Most of its scenes, themes, and even some shots are recycled completely. For all the grief everyone gives the prequels, and they aren't good, at least they are different from the Original Trilogy.

Not according to G Lucas they aren't. He states on the commentary for ROTS that it was necessary for the same or similar situations to be repeated for the characters of the prequel trilogy as in the original trilogy. Such as the central hero being plucked from obscurity when a secret mission encroaches on his humble homeworld and sweeps him off his feet, the technologically advanced culture being defied by the less advanced one etc, large spherical objects needing to be destroyed in space etc, etc.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

It was supposed to be like a WWII or Korean or Vietnam war story in space ...

Do you have a source for that?

WWII story covers a lot of ground. Hanover Street is a WWII movie. Casablanca is a WWII movie. Dad's Army is a WWII movie.

[imsounoriginal]

Agreed about Clones but III and VI simply having similar titles does not make the movies themselves similar. They're about as different as can be.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by Shalashaska

They were both made to sell toys. 1983 is when Lucas turned from a filmmaker into a money-hungry conman.

That's a big enough similarity to me [emoji6]

Lucas pursuing merchandising rights during the making of Star Wars would indicate he intended to sell toys all along. That doesn't mean he didn't have something to say with the movies he made all along. Though whether you agree with/like what he had to say might be an issue. Point being, even with his emphasis on creating a mythology for kids, he ALWAYS went about it like the shrewd businessman he is.

[Hardback247]

The negative reactions towards The Force Awakens come across as silly to me. Tell me, would you rather have a movie that is very similar to what came before, or a movie that shits over the entire franchise by ignoring established rules and getting the characters and setting completely wrong? You think you know what it's like for a longtime fan to feel betrayed? Then you haven't seen Highlander: The Source.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by cicada88

Whenever this thread gets bumped I think we are finally getting restored original trilogy without revisions

If only.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by cicada88

Whenever this thread gets bumped I think we are finally getting restored original trilogy without revisions

If that ever gets announced, you'll see like three new threads started at once. lol

[spanky87]

Originally Posted by Fabs

This is exactly why I can't stand TFA. It's not only that it rehashed elements. Most of its scenes, themes, and even some shots are recycled completely. For all the grief everyone gives the prequels, and they aren't good, at least they are different from the Original Trilogy.

This is by far the most lame and overused argument against TFA.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Agreed about Clones but III and VI simply having similar titles does not make the movies themselves similar. They're about as different as can be.

Sure, but Lucas still made sure that the 'rhyming' was present and correct in Sith, albeit with a twist. Instead of the movie ending with Palps sitting in his throne as his would-be apprentice battles a Sith in front of him while a space battle carries on in the background, it begins with that instead - only Anakin follows the advice of Palps and slays the crippled Dooku as opposed to Luke throwing his 'saber away and renouncing the dark side.

Sith also shows a tree-dwelling race of fuzzy furrys taking on an evil army, this time it's Wookiees instead of Ewoks (though any fan worth their salt will recall that Wookiees were the original choice for Jedi's end battle, but then Lucas cut them in half and jumbled up their name).

Clones also does this too, e.g. the movie ends with a battle of white-armour clad troopers advancing on their enemy from screen right whereas Empire starts with just such a battle, and the main combatants also share a certain philosophy: in Empire it's the Rebels vs the Empire, whereas in Clones it's about the 'rebel' Separatists vs the Republic. Sometimes it's not only about rhyming but mirroring from a different perspective, like the ice world of Hoth vs the rusty desert of Geonosis.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sure, but Lucas still made sure that the 'rhyming' was present and correct in Sith, albeit with a twist. Instead of the movie ending with Palps sitting in his throne as his would-be apprentice battles a Sith in front of him while a space battle carries on in the background, it begins with that instead - only Anakin follows the advice of Palps and slays the crippled Dooku as opposed to Luke throwing his 'saber away and renouncing the dark side.

Sith also shows a tree-dwelling race of fuzzy furrys taking on an evil army, this time it's Wookiees instead of Ewoks (though any fan worth their salt will recall that Wookiees were the original choice for Jedi's end battle, but then Lucas cut them in half and jumbled up their name).

Clones also does this too, e.g. the movie ends with a battle of white-armour clad troopers advancing on their enemy from screen right whereas Empire starts with just such a battle, and the main combatants also share a certain philosophy: in Empire it's the Rebels vs the Empire, whereas in Clones it's about the 'rebel' Separatists vs the Republic. Sometimes it's not only about rhyming but mirroring from a different perspective, like the ice world of Hoth vs the rusty desert of Geonosis.

And, in the same movies, Bespin became Kamino. It's a city above water instead of clouds! And how could we forget the Fett boys.

Oh, and another example of Sith mirroring Jedi, we have Jabba and Grievous, the minor villain that's out of the way by the time we're reaching the middle of the film and it's time to start focusing on the real villains (in both cases, Palpatine and Anakin/Vader).

[Fabs]

Originally Posted by spanky87

This is by far the most lame and overused argument against TFA.

Hey, if you like lazy remakes, enjoy. Whatever floats your boat.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Fabs

Hey, if you like lazy remakes, enjoy. Whatever floats your boat.

If it was a remake, then that would mean A New Hope didn't happen in the same continuity. Just like how the 1998 remake of Psycho isn't in the same continuity as the original 1960 version. The Force Awakens is not a remake, it's a sequel.

[Arawn]

Well, obviously he didn't mean a literal remake in that sense...

[Fabs]

Originally Posted by Arawn

Well, obviously he didn't mean a literal remake in that sense...

Thanks. Yeah, I probably should have said "re-imagining." Sure, the characters continue the story... But the plot is basically the same, scenes are recycled, and the way certain things are shot are nearly identical to A New Hope.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Fabs

Thanks. Yeah, I probably should have said "re-imagining." Sure, the characters continue the story... But the plot is basically the same, scenes are recycled, and the way certain things are shot are nearly identical to A New Hope.

So what?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sometimes it's not only about rhyming but mirroring from a different perspective, like the ice world of Hoth vs the rusty desert of Geonosis.

It's interesting how a bunch of sand can either be a lazy, uninspired rehash of stuff we've seen before or a rusty desert mirroring Hoth all depending on how one looks at it.

And I'm only saying that half sarcastically.

It is kind of interesting.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by octagon

It's interesting how a bunch of sand can either be a lazy, uninspired rehash of stuff we've seen before or a rusty desert mirroring Hoth all depending on how one looks at it.

And I'm only saying that half sarcastically.

It is kind of interesting.

Context is key, my main man. Transposing a battle from ice to fire is one thing, as is turning a city in the clouds into a city under the sea, but having a wistful young 'un who's very handy with tech stuff who dreams of a brighter future who's trapped on a desert dustball of a planet repeated three times in seven movies is kinda pushing it, at least it is from my interesting perspective.

[Ilordmaul]

Originally Posted by Shalashaska

You must have never heard the line "it's like poetry, it rhymes".

The prequel trilogy is a complete rehash of the originals. AotC is a complete rehash of Empire. RotS is RotJ where the bad guys win, even its title represents that.

You act like TFA rehashing a prior film is something new, the worst thing that could've happened to this film, but it really isn't.

You all said you wanted to go back to the old feel of the originals, but now you wanted something new? Make up your mind.

Exactly!