Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

THX-1138 is a masterpiece...in its theatrical presentation. The directors cut is a crime against cinema.

Now it is a crime to alter something you own.

One should take a history class on real crimes against the arts. Ignorance is not a virtue.

[The Fallen Deity]

I hope that one day we'll get a BD release of THX's theatrical cut.

But when that'll happen pigs will fly.

[solaris72]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Now it is a crime to alter something you own.

One should take a history class on real crimes against the arts. Ignorance is not a virtue.

If you look up the word "crime" there are in fact multiple definitions.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by solaris72

If you look up the word "crime" there are in fact multiple definitions.

Sorry, but I am editing this whole thing back to formula.

"crime against cinema" is not an original term. The use of the term was a gross misappropriation.

As someone who has recently been watching Krzysztof Kieslowski bluray of Blind Chance, I found the statement extremely offensive considering what the polish government put him through.

You pointing me to a dictionary undermines what is a normal drop jaw moment. This poster's statement is obscene at the least and has no place here.

[solaris72]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

No definition characterizes what Lucas did with his own work. Let me say it again his OWN artwork.

A crime against cinema means that Lucas did something illegal or at least evil and shameful against film in its entirety.

Lucas had every right to do what he did, and you pointing me to a dictionary doesn't change the fact that word CRIME was grossly misappropriated.

Now here is a dictionary definition for you. Hyperbole. This should be simpler for you.

Skipping over your ad hominem, and your efforts to paint objective lines on a subjective premise, there are definitely some who do say that it is indeed a shameful thing. Why, there was a very influential filmmaker who once said, on the subject of cinematic revisionism, "A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain. American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history. People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians.... Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.... Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself."

[octagon]

Originally Posted by solaris72

Skipping over your ad hominem, and your efforts to paint objective lines on a subjective premise, there are definitely some who do say that it is indeed a shameful thing. Why, there was a very influential filmmaker who once said, on the subject of cinematic revisionism, "A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain. American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history. People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians.... Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.... Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself."

Yup. Altering the films you own might not be against the law but a lot of people in the late 80s went before Congress and argued that it should be.

Me? I thought that was a dumb argument then and not much has changed in the last thirty or so years. Ted Turner owned The Maltese Falcon and Casablanca and they were his to do with as he pleased. Disney owns the Star Wars movies and they're theirs to do with as they please.

Do I think they have an ethical obligation to be responsible stewards of the properties they own? Absolutely.

But at the end of the day, their stuff is their stuff.

[Gold Ranger]

Ok. let's try something new...
WHAT IS YOUR ALL-TIME GREATEST SINGLE SCENE FROM ANY OF THE SIX MOVIES?
Yes, six. This is the Saga Set discussion after all...

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Ok. let's try something new...
WHAT IS YOUR ALL-TIME GREATEST SINGLE SCENE FROM ANY OF THE SIX MOVIES?
Yes, six. This is the Saga Set discussion after all...

The AT-AT attack in The Empire Strikes Back. Everything about that scene is just perfect.

"All troops will debark for ground assault. Prepare to target the main generator."

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Ok. let's try something new...
WHAT IS YOUR ALL-TIME GREATEST SINGLE SCENE FROM ANY OF THE SIX MOVIES?
Yes, six. This is the Saga Set discussion after all...

No contest - the Star Destroyer reveal at the beginning of Star Wars.

There have been a lot of amazing scenes (from a dramatic sense, from a quotable-moment sense, from an epic effects extravaganza sense) but that opening was literally jaw-dropping and set the stage for all the awesomeness to come.

Edit: in fact, this might very well be my all-time greatest single scene from any movie period. Obviously I'd have to give that a lot more thought but if it's not #1 it's awfully close.

[The Fallen Deity]

The Battle Of Yavin. Pure cinematic perfection!

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by octagon

Yup. Altering the films you own might not be against the law but a lot of people in the late 80s went before Congress and argued that it should be.

Me? I thought that was a dumb argument then and not much has changed in the last thirty or so years. Ted Turner owned The Maltese Falcon and Casablanca and they were his to do with as he pleased. Disney owns the Star Wars movies and they're theirs to do with as they please.

Do I think they have an ethical obligation to be responsible stewards of the properties they own? Absolutely.

But at the end of the day, their stuff is their stuff.

They have don't have to be responsible for anything. It is their stuff.

Let us take away your rights to repaint your own house.

[Gold Ranger]

I must admit, for me, it is a toss up between three scenes.
I'm a sucker for happy endings. So the tail end of the celebration when Luke, Lando, Leia, Han, 3PO, R2, and Wedge all meet up together, fading into the approval of Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin.

Padme's Ruminations.

Vader vs Luke on Bespin. Everything leading up to, but NOT including the reveal.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

The Battle Of Yavin. Pure cinematic perfection!

Seconded. Remains as thrilling and (as Luke blows the thing and they go home) cathartic no matter how many times I see the film, and I've seen it too many times to count.

It's amazing to me that, all these decades and Star Wars films later, there hasn't been a better space battle in the series.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

They have don't have to be responsible for anything. It is their stuff.

Of course it's their stuff. Hence the words 'at the end of the day, their stuff is their stuff'.

But while they're under no legal obligation to, for instance, spends tons of money on preserving the films they own there is, I think, an ethical obligation to do so.

Lucas was wrong when he said American works of art belong to the American public. But he was right when he said they're part of our cultural history and when he argued that there's a legitimate public interest when it comes to protecting and preserving them.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Let us take away your rights to repaint your own house.

What if my house is a designated historical landmark? Say a Frank Lloyd Wright house or the like? Is it still mine to do with completely as I please?

Part of me says yes, part of me says 'well, not so fast'.

[ElvisForever]

Designated landmark is by permission of the owner.

Not the same. What if's are not important. I am speaking about what has happened.

There are people that want to take the righis if Lucas away because they feel they own it in some way. WRONG.

What Lucas has done is not a crime, and I question the people wanting to take those rights away of owning any thing of significance in their life (like a house or creation that has made money).

Lucas made his work available time and time again. This "crime" talk is unjustified.

[DCW]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

The Battle Of Yavin. Pure cinematic perfection!

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Seconded. Remains as thrilling and (as Luke blows the thing and they go home) cathartic no matter how many times I see the film, and I've seen it too many times to count.

It's amazing to me that, all these decades and Star Wars films later, there hasn't been a better space battle in the series.

This is mine as well. I've seen this movie sooooo many times but to this day I still get a huge grin on my face when Han swoops in and saves Luke.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by DCW

This is mine as well. I've seen this movie sooooo many times but to this day I still get a huge grin on my face when Han swoops in and saves Luke.

Absolutely. And something that still impresses me about that whole sequence: Han swooping in and saving the day is about as hokey and cheesy and predictable as it gets but when I saw it for the first time I was so wrapped up in the battle I absolutely didn't see it coming.

[chip75]

Sweet Zombie Jesus, nobody is saying that George Lucas couldn't do what he wanted with the movies he's directed, just present the bloody things alongside the original creations.

It is in no way an unreasonable request. People just want see the movies the way they first saw them. They just want a choice. It's not that hard.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

There are people that want to take the righis if Lucas away because they feel they own it in some way. WRONG.

Lucas doesn't have any rights anymore. He sold them to Disney. It was in all the papers.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

What Lucas has done is not a crime, and I question the people wanting to take those rights away of owning any thing of significance in their life (like a house or creation that has made money).

I tend to agree. I think Lucas (and Spielberg and Allen and all the other people arguing for legal protection of the so-called 'moral rights' of artists) might have had their hearts in the right place but they were off-base when they asked Congress to restrict the rights of Ted Turner to do as he pleased with his own property.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Ok. let's try something new...
WHAT IS YOUR ALL-TIME GREATEST SINGLE SCENE FROM ANY OF THE SIX MOVIES?
Yes, six. This is the Saga Set discussion after all...

Probably the scene in Obi-Wan's home, from Kenobi's exposition to Leia's message the entire universe is painted before your eyes all in a little hermit hut.