Bram Stoker's Dracula 4K UHD (1992) (25th Anniversary Edition)

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Laserdisk

The newer scan

Is it (the UK BD include with this release) the same as the DE Blu-ray or have we got Atmos this time?

[Count Orlok]

Originally Posted by chip75

Is it (the UK BD include with this release) the same as the DE Blu-ray or have we got Atmos this time?

According to the back cover, the standard Blu-ray is DTS Master 5.1. Atmos is exclusive to the 4K disc. Outside of a few countries, the disc is the exact same release from 2015 just repackaged.

I was a little disappointed that Sony didn't update the included digital copy to match the new HD master. It redeems the 2007 master with the terrible black crush.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Count Orlok

It has pretty tough to pass on this, especially for the slipcover. It's one of the sexiest slips out there! Shiny and embossed in just the right places. I sealed my copy into a polybag to keep it nice and mint. I did the same with the Supreme Cinema Series set as well.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Got mine today. Boy, that IS a nice slipcover!

I really don't get it. Like, there are some nice slips out there, but this one is just the same art but a little bumpy where the grey is. I don't understand and likely never will.

[Geoff D]

My comment was intended more to rub people's noses in it but it's a nice effort nonetheless, what with the rough texture of the surrounding frieze and the spot-embossed archway and the embossed main title. It's the original poster too, albeit with the title and Oldman/Ryder having swapped places, so Sony get extra points for that.

Sampled the disc earlier, it's one of the least impressive 4K resolution upgrades I've yet seen for a 35mm show. That's not a complaint but an observation as it still feels wonderfully film-like - but then so does the Mi4K Blu-ray. This is the sort of movie where 4K resolution really is overkill owing to the constraints of the source material. The colour is a little cooler than the Mi4K Blu-ray, which appears to have a warmer orangey cast.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

My comment was intended more to rub people's noses in it but it's a nice effort nonetheless, what with the rough texture of the surrounding frieze and the spot-embossed archway and the embossed main title. It's the original poster too, albeit with the title and Oldman/Ryder having swapped places, so Sony get extra points for that.

Sampled the disc earlier, it's one of the least impressive 4K resolution upgrades I've yet seen for a 35mm show. That's not a complaint but an observation as it still feels wonderfully film-like - but then so does the Mi4K Blu-ray. This is the sort of movie where 4K resolution really is overkill owing to the constraints of the source material. The colour is a little cooler than the Mi4K Blu-ray, which appears to have a warmer orangey cast.

Yep - Its barely an upgrade and is honestly reaffirming my decision going forward to NOT rebuy these older catalog titles in 4K unless the current BD is truly terrible and the UHD is amazing like Blade Runner 4K. For the most part, these UHD catalog releases have been meh. Not doing it.

Pixels/resolution are NOT the only PQ characteristics that matter. A well-authored blu-ray looks fabulous on my OLED. Sure, 4K demo material is mind blowingly awesome but 30 year old catalog titles do not fall into this category. imo, most of the reviews are WAY over-stating how much of an upgrade these catalog title UHD releases are. They are "singing the industry song" so to speak. Im not falling for it.

[Laserdisk]

Oh jeez

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Yep - Its barely an upgrade and is honestly reaffirming my decision going forward to NOT rebuy these older catalog titles in 4K unless the current BD is truly terrible and the UHD is amazing like Blade Runner 4K. For the most part, these UHD catalog releases have been meh. Not doing it.

Pixels/resolution are NOT the only PQ characteristics that matter. A well-authored blu-ray looks fabulous on my OLED. Sure, 4K demo material is mind blowingly awesome but 30 year old catalog titles do not fall into this category. imo, most of the reviews are WAY over-stating how much of an upgrade these catalog title UHD releases are. They are "singing the industry song" so to speak. Im not falling for it.

Dude, older movies with real 4k scans of the negative are among the most impressive stuff on UHD so far, especially from Sony. I haven't compared Dracula yet and I'll do so now that I saw Geoff's negative comments, but even if he's right here I know titles like Ghostbusters, Blade Runner, Leon, Fifth Element, The Mummy, Labyrinth and whatnot are massive upgrades. Really great stuff.

Seems like people in every forum section are trying to convince themselves not to spend money on movies again, but the facts are that most of these discs are great upgrades if you've got the TV to display them. With some movies it's more about detail, with others the HDR, but most of the 90 I have already are serious improvements and whenever I watch a normal BD I notice the lack of depth especially.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Dude, older movies with real 4k scans of the negative are among the most impressive stuff on UHD so far, especially from Sony. I haven't compared Dracula yet and I'll do so now that I saw Geoff's negative comments, but even if he's right here I know titles like Ghostbusters, Blade Runner, Leon, Fifth Element, The Mummy, Labyrinth and whatnot are massive upgrades. Really great stuff.

Seems like people in every forum section are trying to convince themselves not to spend money on movies again, but the facts are that most of these discs are great upgrades if you've got the TV to display them. With some movies it's more about detail, with others the HDR, but most of the 90 I have already are serious improvements and whenever I watch a normal BD I notice the lack of depth especially.

I think its pathetic that less than half of 4ks are 2ks in disguise. But wcg and hdr are always there. Still these 2ks are dumb bro.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

I think its pathetic that less than half of 4ks are 2ks in disguise. But wcg and hdr are always there. Still these 2ks are dumb bro.

This isn't the thread for that B.S. since he's talking about older titles the likes of Dracula, which are 35mm sources scanned in 4k.

[madfloyd]

It's too bad that some folks can't appreciate UHD. I personally love it so much. I initially cared a lot about resolution and while I love detail, the thing that I care most about now is the color grading. And by that I don't mean spectacular highlights (although I love them too in the proper context). What I love is the depth that 10 bit color brings to the table.

I have a problem watching 8 bit color now. Seems so flat. Maybe this isn't as important to some - or on a smaller display it doesn't come across as much (one of these days I have to bring my Panny upstairs and try it on my LG OLED) but while I might watch regular blurays for the content, I will never marvel over their image quality; I have been spoiled.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Dude, older movies with real 4k scans of the negative are among the most impressive stuff on UHD so far, especially from Sony. I haven't compared Dracula yet and I'll do so now that I saw Geoff's negative comments, but even if he's right here I know titles like Ghostbusters, Blade Runner, Leon, Fifth Element, The Mummy, Labyrinth and whatnot are massive upgrades. Really great stuff.

Seems like people in every forum section are trying to convince themselves not to spend money on movies again, but the facts are that most of these discs are great upgrades if you've got the TV to display them. With some movies it's more about detail, with others the HDR, but most of the 90 I have already are serious improvements and whenever I watch a normal BD I notice the lack of depth especially.

Its really not a money thing - Hell, Ive paid quite a bit into the system as Ive upgraded from VHS > DVD > blu-ray. In each case the upgrade was well worth it and I rebought just about every movie I had owned at the time.

That being said, as we keep upgrading with new formats it is unavoidable that the "upgrade" gets to be less and less impressive. Just no way around it. I dont have to justify anything regarding what to buy or not buy. Extra film grain or whatever might excite the hardcore film guru but doesnt do anything for the rest of us mere mortals.

My TV is about as capable as you can get. Not an issue. 3D has been more impressive than 4K on my 2016 OLED.

And - I DO agree that HDR is making quite a difference but thats not really a 4K "thing" as they could easily incorporate that into 1080p releases too. Everyone will have a different take on this. Im just NOT going to rebuy everything in 4K when it comes to old titles. New stuff? Sure. Something I dont already own? Probably yeah.

[newtonp01]

Just popped this in for a few minutes to see what it looked like. It literally looks like a decent blu-ray. Never got around to owning this one so I'm not that disappointed, but if I had double-dipped for this I would have been. Would it be blasphemy if I said I was honestly more impressed by 3:10 to Yuma and Cabin in the Woods? The Atmos is pretty great at least!

[madfloyd]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

And - I DO agree that HDR is making quite a difference but thats not really a 4K "thing" as they could easily incorporate that into 1080p releases too.

Sure, HDR is independent of screen resolution, but it's not independent of format; you need 10 bits for the wide color gamut.

What we're basically getting on the UHD format IS 1080p resolution for the most part, just with much better color.

Obviously in your case, that doesn't have enough value.

[imsounoriginal]

So 2K and 1080p are the same thing now?

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

So 2K and 1080p are the same thing now?

For practical purposes, yeah.

I mean, if + or - ~6% spatial resolution really matters to you...

[madfloyd]

2k is 2048x1080. HD is 1920x1080.

No difference in vertical resolution and very minor difference in horizontal.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by madfloyd

Sure, HDR is independent of screen resolution, but it's not independent of format; you need 10 bits for the wide color gamut.

What we're basically getting on the UHD format IS 1080p resolution for the most part, just with much better color.

Obviously in your case, that doesn't have enough value.

Well, in some cases it DOES have enough value! Just not all of them. Im only going to usually pass on older catalog titles. Thats all.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Im only going to usually pass on older catalog titles.

I'll take 'em!

[brainofj72]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

My comment was intended more to rub people's noses in it but it's a nice effort nonetheless, what with the rough texture of the surrounding frieze and the spot-embossed archway and the embossed main title. It's the original poster too, albeit with the title and Oldman/Ryder having swapped places, so Sony get extra points for that.

Sampled the disc earlier, it's one of the least impressive 4K resolution upgrades I've yet seen for a 35mm show. That's not a complaint but an observation as it still feels wonderfully film-like - but then so does the Mi4K Blu-ray. This is the sort of movie where 4K resolution really is overkill owing to the constraints of the source material. The colour is a little cooler than the Mi4K Blu-ray, which appears to have a warmer orangey cast.

I've only sampled so far as well, but I do not agree with this assessment. I found the pre-title sequence to be unimpressive, but everything after that looked marvelously rich, filmic, and detailed. I even said "wow" aloud during Keanu's first scene, simply due to how much fine detail was leaping off the screen. Sony nailed it again, IMO.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by brainofj72

I even said "wow" aloud during Keanu's first scene, simply due to how much fine detail was leaping off the screen. Sony nailed it again, IMO.

That is definitely a precision Keanu.