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Old 01-28-2018, 05:41 PM   #1281
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Part of the issue for me is that Schindler was purely an opportunist, and I'm not sure he should be regarded as a hero. I respect that some would make him out to be a hero, such as those he enabled to survive. But I have some moral ambiguity about it.
Didn't he pay to save those people?
If he was an opportunist he would keep his fortune, no?
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Old 01-28-2018, 05:45 PM   #1282
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Part of the issue for me is that Schindler was purely an opportunist, and I'm not sure he should be regarded as a hero. I respect that some would make him out to be a hero, such as those he enabled to survive. But I have some moral ambiguity about it.
That's what makes it a tale worth telling, IMO-- that a morally ambiguous person can still do the right thing, even at great personal peril, when the easiest thing to do is look the other way.
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Old 01-28-2018, 05:49 PM   #1283
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I think the fact that Schindler was honored by the people and descendants of those people says whether he was a hero or not. In any case, you SEE the opportunist at the beginning of the movie and how he evolves into someone who not only saves a lot of people, but risks his life to do it.

This year marks the 25th Anniversary of the film
I am hoping Universal gives us a 4K UHD disc version.
Indeed, he was a hero to those survivors/descendants, but he was only in the position to become that hero being part of the nazi party and exploiting Jewish workers who had no rights. Would a real hero even be in that position or would the real hero have told the nazis to go "f" themselves long before they became so powerful and murderous? Like I said, it's not clear cut to me though I respect different viewpoints. In any case, there are many stories and heroes more remarkable than Schindler who are not well known.
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Old 01-28-2018, 05:58 PM   #1284
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In any case, you SEE the opportunist at the beginning of the movie and how he evolves into someone who not only saves a lot of people, but risks his life to do it.
There's also the fact that it's a work of fiction, even if it's based on real events.
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That's interesting; maybe you became impervious to Spielberg's telegraphed emotional manipulation. He really doesn't need to do that, especially in films that are already emotionally loaded and heartbreaking. I am always overcome by this movie, and indeed the "more subtle" ones that I think are even better stories from the Holocaust, e.g., The Pianist and The Counterfeiters. Part of the issue for me is that Schindler was purely an opportunist, and I'm not sure he should be regarded as a hero. I respect that some would make him out to be a hero, such as those he enabled to survive. But I have some moral ambiguity about it.
am with you on 'The Pianist' - much more effective. But my tastes and experience have changed as I have grown older. You're very right in addressing the emotional manipulation aspect of Spielberg - perhaps an unconscious resentment of that manipulation puts you at odds with the subject matter of the narrative
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There's also the fact that it's a work of fiction, even if it's based on real events.
Schindler's List is a movie based on a true story and like most such movies, literary license occurs to facilitate the telling of the tale without
altering the essential meaning.

"He (Oskar Schindler) died on 9 October 1974 and is buried in Jerusalem on Mount Zion, the only member of the Nazi Party to be honoured in this way. For his work during the war, in 1963 Schindler was named Righteous Among the Nations, an award bestowed by the State of Israel on non-Jews who took an active role to rescue Jews during the Holocaust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler

"Righteous Among the Nations (Hebrew: חֲסִידִי אֻמּוֹת הָעוֹלָם‬, khasidei umót ha'olám "righteous (plural) of the world's nations") is an honorific used by the State of Israel to describe non-Jews who risked their lives during the Holocaust to save Jews from extermination by the Nazis."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righte...ng_the_Nations

The inscription on his grave translates to:

"OSKAR SCHINDLER
28. 4. 1908 - 9. 10. 1974
THE RIGHTEOUS AMONG THE GENTILES
THE UNFORGETTABLE RESCUER OF 1200 PERSECUTED JEWS"

http://www.israeljerusalem.com/oskar...dler-grave.htm

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There's also the fact that it's a work of fiction, even if it's based on real events.
I think the term Historical Drama is more accurate rather than fiction
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Old 08-29-2018, 05:52 PM   #1288
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UNIVERSAL CITY, Calif., Aug. 29, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- To commemorate the 25th anniversary release of Steven Spielberg's masterpiece Schindler's List, one of the most significant endeavors in the history of cinema, Universal Pictures will re-release the film with picture and sound digitally remastered—including in 4K, Dolby Cinema and Dolby Atmos—for a limited theatrical engagement on December 7, 2018, in theaters across the United States and Canada.

On the heels of last year's re-release of James Cameron'sTitanic in HDR, this event marks one of the very few times that a film of this magnitude and scope has been remastered in 4K, Dolby Cinema and Atmos. It provides a stunning experience on the big screen, to match the power of the film and its significant themes. This December, audiences can share the experience of a story we must never forget.

"It is difficult to believe that it's been 25 years since Schindler's List first arrived in theaters," said Spielberg. "The true stories of the magnitude and tragedy of the Holocaust are ones that must never be forgotten, and the film's lessons about the critical importance of countering hatred continue to reverberate today. I am honored that audiences will be able to experience the journey once again on the big screen."

"We are proud to bring the remastered Schindler's List, one of the most important movies of the 20 [th] century, to a new generation of filmgoers," said Ron Meyer, Vice Chairman of NBCUniversal. "The lesson that one person—during one of the darkest chapters in humankind's history—can make a difference is as relevant now as ever before."

In advance of the re-release, free educational screenings of the film—coordinated by USC Shoah Foundation—will be available for high-school educators and their students in selected AMC, Regal, Cinemark, Marcus Theatres, Cineplex, Harkins and National Amusements locations in major markets in North America on Tuesday, December 4, and Wednesday, December 5.

"As curators of the world's largest collection of firsthand accounts about the consequences of hatred, USC Shoah Foundation is uniquely positioned to educate and inspire humanity to counter hate through empathy and action," said Spielberg, who established the Shoah Foundation after his experiences filming Schindler's List. "Those who engage with this eyewitness testimony make deeply meaningful connections, develop critical thinking and empathy, and learn to reflect on the choices they can make to counter hatred."

The top-20 markets that will host the special Schindler's List school screenings include those in Phoenix, AZ; Los Angeles, CA; Sacramento, CA; San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA; Denver, CO; Miami-Ft. Lauderdale, FL; Orlando, FL; Tampa-St. Petersburg, FL; Chicago, IL; Boston, MA; Cleveland, OH; New York City, NY; Philadelphia, PA; Dallas-Ft. Worth, TX; Washington, DC; Atlanta, GA; Houston, TX; Detroit, MI; Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN; and Seattle, WA. Additional markets will be announced soon.

Additional elements of the launch include the new trailer, released today, as well as a forthcoming re-release of the iconic film score by five-time Academy Award [®] -winning composer John Williams—on the soundtrack from La-La Land Records—which will include never-before-heard material. To further commemorate this historic film, the remastered version of Schindler's List will be re-released in theatres internationally across select territories in early 2019. The remastered film will also be available in 4K HDR, Dolby Vision and Atmos on home-entertainment platforms subsequent to theatrical release.

USC Shoah Foundation—under its Stronger Than Hate initiative—will work with partner organizations to provide classroom-ready resources through its award-winning educational website IWitness to accompany the theatrical and home entertainment releases of the film.

USC Shoah Foundation will partner with other educational organizations to scale the reach and impact of the Schindler's List re-release, utilizing their IWitness website as a central platform for educators to find resources. Partners include: Facing History and Ourselves, which will publish a new digital Schindler's List Study Guide and offer related in-person and online professional learning opportunities; Echoes & Reflections, an education resource partnership with the ADL and Yad Vashem that offers teachers a variety of ways to examine critical themes of the Holocaust; and Discovery Education, the leading provider of digital content and professional development for K-12 classrooms—with services that are available in approximately half of U.S. classrooms, 50 percent of all primary schools in the U.K., and more than 50 countries around the globe.

USC Shoah Foundation builds and deploys groundbreaking, testimony-based programs, using its Visual History Archive [®] of more than 55,000 eyewitness testimonies to educate young people about the consequences of hatred, while giving actionable tools to teachers to combat hateful ideologies.

To learn more about USC Shoah Foundation, Stronger Than Hate, free educational screenings in your area, and educational programs and partnerships around the re-release of the film, please visit sfi.usc.edu/schindlerslist.

For more information, please visit https://www.facebook.com/SchindlersListMovie. Broadcast-quality clips from Schindler's List are available at https://www.epk.tv/browser-unsupported.aspx, and stills are available at https://www.image.net/xads/actions/login.do.

About Schindler's ListWinner of seven Academy Awards [®] , including Best Picture and Best Director, this incredible true story follows the enigmatic Oskar Schindler (Liam Neeson), who saved the lives of more than 1,100 Jews during the Holocaust.

It is the triumph of one man who made a difference and the drama of those who survived one of the darkest chapters in human history because of what he did. Meticulously restored from the original film negative in pristine high definition and supervised by Spielberg, Schindler's List is a powerful story whose lessons of courage and faith continue to inspire generations.

The film also earned Oscars [®] for composer John Williams, screenwriter Steven Zaillian and director of photography Janusz Kaminiski, as well as art directors Allan Starski and Ewa Braun, editor Michael Kahn and producers Spielberg, Gerald R. Molen and Branko Lustig.

About USC Shoah FoundationUSC Shoah Foundation—The Institute for Visual History and Educations develops empathy, understanding and respect through testimony, using its Visual History Archive of more than 55,000 video testimonies, award-winning IWitness education program, and Center for Advanced Genocide Research. USC Shoah Foundation's interactive programming, research, and materials are accessed in museums and universities, cited by government leaders and NGOs, and taught in classrooms around the world. Now in its third decade, USC Shoah Foundation reaches millions of people each year on six continents from its home at the Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences at the University of Southern California.

About Stronger Than HateStronger Than Hate is an umbrella platform of USC Shoah Foundation that serves as a broad, proactive, actionable response to the rising crises of hatred. It reaches educators, students, policy makers, influencers, and the public at large via schools, universities, communities, and boardrooms, both virtually and in person, and around the world. Stronger Than Hate focuses resources and leverages partnerships to strengthen and unify people against hate. USC Shoah Foundation, as a global leader in testimony-driven, transformational learning, is uniquely positioned to impact an essential and growing audience in their struggle to become Stronger Than Hate.

About Universal PicturesUniversal Pictures is a division of Universal Studios (http://www.universalstudios.com). Universal Studios is part of NBCUniversal. NBCUniversal is one of the world's leading media and entertainment companies in the development, production and marketing of entertainment, news and information to a global audience. NBCUniversal owns and operates a valuable portfolio of news and entertainment networks, a premier motion picture company, significant television production operations, a leading television stations group and world-renowned theme parks. NBCUniversal is a subsidiary of Comcast Corporation.

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Excellent! I never got to see it in cinemas during its initial release. Looking forward to it.
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I've been patiently waiting for this. I'm all for the increased resolution. I am not keen on this receiving an hdr pass. I can't imagine how it's going to treat b/w film, but imo it doesn't need it at all. I can't see it doing much, other than needless darkening.
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  • Schindler's List: 25 Years Later
  • Voices from the List
  • USC Shoah Foundation Story with Steven Spielberg (2018)
  • Let Their Testimonies Speak - Stronger Than Hate
  • About IWitness (2018)

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Old 10-22-2018, 03:54 PM   #1293
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Does this mean that the special features are finally going to be on the actual Blu-ray disc this time? Because that would be great. I haven't rebought the movie yet, so I'll probably just get this release. Also, is this the first time a home media release of the movie hasn't used the original poster art?
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Glad to finally see an edition released in a plastic case rather than the cardboard packaging. A new bonus feature is also welcome.
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Does this mean that the special features are finally going to be on the actual Blu-ray disc this time? Because that would be great. I haven't rebought the movie yet, so I'll probably just get this release. Also, is this the first time a home media release of the movie hasn't used the original poster art?
It seems that it'll be 2 bluray discs this time around, which is good. However, its still listing them as 480 rather than 1080 at the bottom of the case. The new 25 years later might be in 1080 though.
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I bought this 25th anniversary edition recently then finally decided to watch it. It is only my second ever viewing, the first being when I was probably in my late teens. I’m 33 now and it was as harrowing as I first remembered. A masterpiece of cinematography that depicted a terrible time in human history and more frighteningly.... recent history.

I found myself shaking my head in disbelief at the foul acts of the Holocaust and random killings for sport among the senior German officers. Truly appalling.

The emotions started surfacing very quickly and unexpectedly when the ring was handed over to Mr Schindler... a proper tear jerker moment.

One of the very best.
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