The Matrix 4K UHD (1999)

[OutOfBoose]

Need Amazon or EU pre-order...

[StingingVelvet]

*raises hand*

I vote for original color timing, thanks.

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by Vangeli

Yeah I can't remember the last time they emailed me about a specific release

They want to repeat that million+ DVDs sold.

[Mr Anderson]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

*raises hand*

I vote for original color timing, thanks.

I'd love original color timing, but I would accept a subtle green gradation during the appropriate scenes.

[Harryhausen AF]

Original color timing please. The revisionist blanket green tint looked soooo bad so I kept my original DVD and just watched that for the original color timing before the Wachowskis decided that it should be green to match the sequels since they are not around for this the revisionist green blanket will be gone and it will look beautiful again if they use the original DVD as reference.

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by Harryhausen AF

Original color timing please. The revisionist blanket green tint looked soooo bad so I kept my original DVD and just watched that for the original color timing before the Wachowskis decided that it should be green to match the sequels since they are not around for this the revisionist green blanket will be gone and it will look beautiful again if they use the original DVD as reference.

As stated in this thread many times (with proofs), original DVD had even more problematic colors, than the Ultimate Collection master. UC master at least follows green Matrix/blue real world pattern, which is the original artistic intent.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

*raises hand*

I vote for original color timing, thanks.

Sadly, I don't think this is a democratic process.

[Harryhausen AF]

Originally Posted by OutOfBoose

As stated in this thread many times, original DVD had even more problematic colors, than the Ultimate Collection master. UC master at least follows green Matrix/blue real world pattern, which is the original artistic intent.

The Ult Coll DVD was when the Wachowskis added a blanket green tint to the first movie to make it look more like the other two. The first movie was made before digital color timing so there was no way it could look like the sequels when it came out. The DVD has the original color timing before the blanket tint was added.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by OutOfBoose

As stated in this thread many times, original DVD had even more problematic colors, than the Ultimate Collection master. UC master at least follows green Matrix/blue real world pattern, which is the original artistic intent.

But the old DVD didn't make skin tones look yellowy orange either, nor did it crush blacks and blow out contrast. The 2003 transfer was a decent enough attempt to try and capture that look but it's badly lacking in nuance and always has been. I'm not just saying this now, I've been complaining about people looking jaundiced in that transfer for years: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...18#post9110618

[Vangeli]

The DVD featured the first version of The Matrix released on home video but that is in no way accurate to the original color grade. That's just impossible.

Seeing as this new transfer is being overseen by the guy who made it, it'll likely look as it was intended to look, not how any of us might want it to look based on nostalgia or whatever garbage.

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Sadly, I don't think this is a democratic process.

Fortunately, it's not.

[Harryhausen AF]

I have the fanres 35mm scan with the 100% original colors.

The people at fanres are full of knowledge and don't have any agendas that those who worked on the movie may have after the sequels look so different from the original.

spoRv said "To whom it may not know it, long story short: the movie in BD has a modified color grading, while the DVD has the same (or, at least, closer) of the theatrical print."

Beber said "I've attended a 35mm screening a few months ago in the French Cinémathèque in Paris. Unless Stamper has information that I don't have, The Matrix never had a French reissue in the theater, and yet the print looked pretty much the way the Blu-ray does. Granted, the Blu-ray is greener in scenes the print was not, but overall, the Blu-ray color timing is not way off. And the print I saw was very different compared with the 35mm scan available on the Spleen."

Stamper then explained that it was likely new prints had been made with the blanket green tint and they were phasing out the old ones with the original color "It could be the print was post 2004 and made from the retimed scan. Remember the old (initial DVD/initial look 35mm) was only available for like 4/5 years before they did the new timing to go along with the sequels.
Back in 2003/2004 they were still making prints, so it could be they stuck prints from the new scan for Matrix nights and other showings and this is one such print that ended up at the Cinematheque.
I suppose when offered, the Cinematheque was happy to archive a brand new print instead of a battered one from 5 years before."

SO 35MM PRINTS CANT BE USED AS REFERENCE BECAUSE PRINTS WERE LATER MADE WITH THE BLANKET GREEN TINT. THE FANRES IS OF AN ORIGINAL PRINT WITH THE ORIGINAL COLOR TIMING WHICH PROVES THERE WAS NEVER A BLANKET TINT.

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But the old DVD didn't make skin tones look yellowy orange either, nor did it crush blacks and blow out contrast. The 2003 transfer was a decent enough attempt to try and capture that look but it's badly lacking in nuance and always has been. I'm not just saying this now, I've been complaining about people looking jaundiced in that transfer for years: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...18#post9110618

Sure, it has some stuff at it's advantage - lower contrast, that doesn't blow out highlights. But overall palette is still shit, even without the blanket green tint. Only instead of flat and dull green, it's sickly brown/yellow.

[Geoff D]

Two steps forward, one step back. I hold neither transfer as being some sacrosanct rendition of the movie's look, I'm struggling to recall if I ever even watched the Blu-ray because the 2003 transfer was so hinky on the DVDs.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by OutOfBoose

Need Amazon or EU pre-order...

importcds.com.

amazon.com is a rip off with import duty

[OutOfBoose]

Originally Posted by Harryhausen AF

I have the fanres 35mm scan with the 100% original colors.

I hope it's not that horrible 2.0 version that is available on the internet...

The people at fanres are full of knowledge and don't have any agendas that those who worked on the movie may have after the sequels look so different from the original.

What agendas? You mean 1999 interviews that explicitly state The Matrix world should look green and the real world should look blue?

spoRv said "To whom it may not know it, long story short: the movie in BD has a modified color grading, while the DVD has the same (or, at least, closer) of the theatrical print."

Yeah, spoRv totally showed that fool Pope and the sisters what is what.

Beber said "I've attended a 35mm screening a few months ago in the French Cinémathèque in Paris. Unless Stamper has information that I don't have, The Matrix never had a French reissue in the theater, and yet the print looked pretty much the way the Blu-ray does. Granted, the Blu-ray is greener in scenes the print was not, but overall, the Blu-ray color timing is not way off. And the print I saw was very different compared with the 35mm scan available on the Spleen."

Exactly. The Matrix should have more subtle green, not as brutal as on UC master. But no way it should look like that 2.0 version or the first home release.

[The Fallen Deity]

So if I'm reading this thread correctly, the original look for the film is somewhere in between the 1999 and 2004 transfers?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

So if I'm reading this thread correctly, the original look for the film is somewhere in between the 1999 and 2004 transfers?

That seems to be the case a lot of the time, honestly. Home video has compromises that reveal themselves in different ways across releases. Also creators' preferences can change.

[UpsetSmiley]

I like that I read these posts as Cary Grant responding to Sean Connery.

[lquevideo]

i'll double dip for this 4k remaster. doubt 2 and 3 will get a uhd redo this early in the formats life. hopefully it's amazing.