Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Neon Rabbit]

Originally Posted by GodlovesGoodPeople

I heard that they still haven't released the original trilogy on proper bluray. I have been told this is the 1997 version of Star Wars? Yeah, I'll pass if that's the case. I want the original.

The changes didn't end in 1997 tho, Additional changes were added each time these films were released on a new video format, including the prequels, until Lucasfilm was sold to Disney, who I assume have no intent or interest in altering these films any further. The most pointless and inane set of changes were introduced in 2011 for the Blu-Ray release, which is what you will currently find on store shelves today in all of their disappearing CG rock, Obi Wan screaming with his nuts in a vise, blinking Ewok, Darth Vader yelling NoOOOoOOOoo Glory.

[BluProofie]

I enjoy SW but lots of people clearly have unhealthy obsessions with it which probably led to the backlash. Just go on RJ’s Twitter and look at some of the completely deranged tweets he gets. It’s just a movie.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

I enjoy SW but lots of people clearly have unhealthy obsessions with it which probably led to the backlash. Just go on RJ’s Twitter and look at some of the completely deranged tweets he gets. It’s just a movie.

My SW obsessions are all completely healthy.

Well, okay, most of them...

[phobicsquirrel]

Originally Posted by octagon

Simple. One or two non-white or non-male characters over three movies is natural. Two or three non-white or non-male characters in one movie is an agenda.

Ugh.... that's the issue. It shouldn't matter. Had Rey been given a proper arc and not able to be super Jedi master with no problems through 3 films then, at least 2 so far, people would have had less issues with her. Finn, imo, had the more unique and new idea for SW. Either way it's less about using people that aren't "white" and more about bad character writing and placing people in roles so they can say look at these non white males!

[phobicsquirrel]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

I enjoy SW but lots of people clearly have unhealthy obsessions with it which probably led to the backlash. Just go on RJ’s Twitter and look at some of the completely deranged tweets he gets. It’s just a bad movie.

Fixed for you

[stvn1974]

I always assumed that most Star Wars fans were just geeky virgins. I guess they are in fact racist, misogynistic geeky virgins.

[neveser]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

I enjoy SW but lots of people clearly have unhealthy obsessions with it which probably led to the backlash. Just go on RJ’s Twitter and look at some of the completely deranged tweets he gets. It’s just a movie.

Have you seen the video with Rian Johnson explaining what types of movies he wants to make? He wants to piss people off. That, to him, is a great movie. So the fact that he's getting all these tweets means, to him, that he was successful with TLJ.

Skip to 1:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yDA...outu.be&t=1m7s

He should be absolutely thrilled with the response he's getting. It proves (to him) that his movie was a success.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by phobicsquirrel

Ugh.... that's the issue. It shouldn't matter. Had Rey been given a proper arc and not able to be super Jedi master with no problems through 3 films then, at least 2 so far, people would have had less issues with her. Finn, imo, had the more unique and new idea for SW. Either way it's less about using people that aren't "white" and more about bad character writing and placing people in roles so they can say look at these non white males!

That would carry a lot more weight if all this blather about social justice and agendas and quotas had started after people had seen the movies.

But it didn't.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by neveser

He should be absolutely thrilled with the response he's getting. It proves (to him) that his movie was a success.

That's probably true and I kind of feel the same way.

Some of the things people are upset about are just stupid but there are some good conversations about his movie too.

I think the people bagging on Holdo and defending Poe are kinda nuts but the fact that we were given enough room to argue about whether Poe should have just shut up and followed orders or whether Holdo was a terrible leader for not letting him in on her plans is pretty freaking cool, I think.

[phobicsquirrel]

Originally Posted by octagon

That would carry a lot more weight if all this blather about social justice and agendas and quotas had started after people had seen the movies.

But it didn't.

Well it was obvious that Disney was cashing in on the agendas, however if after people did see it then it would have gone away. It didn't because many people were right and others either ignored it or didn't care.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by phobicsquirrel

Well it was obvious that Disney was cashing in on the agendas, however if after people did see it then it would have gone away. It didn't because many people were right and others either ignored it or didn't care.

So basically if the stories and characters had been better the people muttering 'quota hire' before filming even started would have said 'oh, our bad, turns out these characters are organic and feel quite natural after all'.

Color me skeptical.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by octagon

That would carry a lot more weight if all this blather about social justice and agendas and quotas had started after people had seen the movies.

But it didn't.

You mean it actually started when some people looked at the initial table read and said "There are too many white faces in that room"?

Well, that's weird.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Arawn

You mean it actually started when some people looked at the initial table read...

Keep going back.

"Almost there ..." - YouTube

[chrislong2]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Can we please stop talking about this "agenda" thing? Why is it worth getting all worked up about?

Well first, movies are just movies and it is true there are people that take movies like SW way too seriously IMO. But at the same time, it's legit when you've watched 6 movies from Lucas with his certain universe and you feel like you kind of are invested in SW some and then he sells it to Disney and they continue the franchise but with a different feel in line with things and priorities they want to do as a company, then it is understandable why some people might get "worked up" because it does change the feel as a whole. They do have a different "feel" than 1-6 in sev ways.

But since I more or less initiated this round of discussion, let me see if I can shift the convo away from all that back specifically to eps1-6. Because I also said this:

"I don't suppose I have any comrades that actually liked the prequels, like the revision of Greedo shooting first (I AGREE with Lucas that portraying Han shooting first blurs the good and evil lines too much since Han is on the "good side"), like the Vader "NOOO!" and most of the other changes, and basically thought eps 1-6 were pretty well done on Blu and look amazing"?

So I've gathered from reading in this thread (not all 65k posts mind you lol) that many have issues with the changes Lucas has made. While I am in general very sympathetic to concerns about later revisionism, most of the changes I really don't have any issue with and some I even really like. But I didn't grow up really watching SW and wasn't used to seeing thing a certain way, so I'm sure that plays into why it doesn't bother me like it does others. To me Vader's "Nooo" in ROTJ makes sense, to me Han NOT shooting first makes sense, to me the changed music at the end of ROTJ is much better, to me adding the Jabba scene into ANH makes sense continuity wise with the series as a whole (even if in the individual movie it might have been more unnecessary given the Greedo scene). etc.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by koberulz

Are 50% of the characters in Disney movies women? Are 50% of starring roles in Disney movies given to women?

What’s the point in deliberately having 50% of staring roles going to men and the other 50% to women? The stories are what matter, not the gender of the characters. If the movies happen to have more men than women, or more women than men, I don’t see why it matters in either case. What matters is that the movies are good.

[chrislong2]

And you know what I was most impressed with when watching 1-6 on Blu in order starting with 1? That even though eps4-6 were filmed much earlier than 1-3, they managed to reasonably keep a similar look throughout (some of which is precisely because of the changes they made - like the look of Palpatine in 4-6 to match 1-3). I'm not saying there aren't noticeable differences between 1-3 and 4-6 too (i.e. much more CGI in 1-3) but overall when you watch them in a row they actually fit reasonably well as far as overall look. Going from 3 to 4 wasn't as bad of a jump as I thought it might be given that one came from the mid-2000's and one came from the mid-70's (I previously had only watched 4-6 and then 1-3).

With that said, while Lucas managed to smooth many things to make 1-3 and 4-6 more cohesive, there are still very noticeable plot discrepancies between them and I wish he'd put more care into making sure the story lined up in the prequels (as much as I enjoy the prequels) because there are lines in 4-6 that directly contradict what you see in 1-3 (things I didn't notice before when I watched 4-6 first but did notice when watching them after).

[happydood]

The Prequels have many problems with their clunky execution, but one thing I love about them is the lesson they're trying to impart about how thinking things have to be all one way or the other and that there is no in-between is totally dangerous.

I would have thought that was heavy-handed enough to be explicit to everybody, but the older I get the more I realize some folks just aren't capable of recognizing it and it makes me really sad.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by happydood

The Prequels have many problems with their clunky execution, but one thing I love about them is the lesson they're trying to impart about how thinking things have to be all one way or the other and that there is no in-between is totally dangerous.

I would have thought that was heavy-handed enough to be explicit to everybody, but the older I get the more I realize some folks just aren't capable of recognizing it and it makes me really sad.

Setting aside all my myriad gripes with the PT, Palpatine's oily 'good is a point of view' sales pitch to Anakin is without question one of the best sequences in the entire saga.

I also liked Padme suggesting that they might be on the wrong side. If it was up to me they would have cut a dozen or so saber duels and explored that a little more

[Nicolawicz]

Originally Posted by chrislong2

And you know what I was most impressed with when watching 1-6 on Blu in order starting with 1? That even though eps4-6 were filmed much earlier than 1-3, they managed to reasonably keep a similar look throughout (some of which is precisely because of the changes they made - like the look of Palpatine in 4-6 to match 1-3). I'm not saying there aren't noticeable differences between 1-3 and 4-6 too (i.e. much more CGI in 1-3) but overall when you watch them in a row they actually fit reasonably well as far as overall look. Going from 3 to 4 wasn't as bad of a jump as I thought it might be given that one came from the mid-2000's and one came from the mid-70's (I previously had only watched 4-6 and then 1-3).

Are you blind or something? They look nothing alike. Especially the video-shot II and III. They look like fan films compared to the originals.

[chrislong2]

Well since the great purge I guess, I do at least want to respond to this for clarification:

Originally Posted by Nicolawicz

Are you blind or something?

Boy I hope not!

Originally Posted by Nicolawicz

They look nothing alike. Especially the video-shot II and III. They look like fan films compared to the originals.

I was meaning "feel" in terms of overarching feel in regards more to story and whether say ep4 felt terribly dated or out-of-place when viewed right after ep3 etc due to the significant difference in production time between them. I don't disagree that ep1-3 and esp ep2-3 have a different look since 2&3 were digital as opposed to film, though I think using the words "fan films" is a little much. I will say that there's no doubt that the best LOOKING of 1-6 are 4-6. They did a great job on the restoration of 4-6 (regardless of how one feels about the changes etc.)