The Matrix 4K UHD (1999)

[RustinCohle]

Originally Posted by Vertizontal

That was a good move I think. B & M is not this time lol...as of right now, none of the big three in my town have this on shelves. Suppose I'm ordering from WM too...hope I get that slip (normally could care less about slips, but that rabbit...)

The shrink wrap is around the slip, so you'll get it. The question is, will you get it in good condition?

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Khronikos

Can someone tell me what is up here. Do all Matrix UHDs come wrapped. I had a BB guy go get one from the back, and I tried to make sure he grabbed a good one with a perfect slipcover. It turns out he grabs one with a big crease on the bottom lol. No probs I will just take it back. But this was full price 34.99, and the bluray is absolute garbage.

I was hoping this is a release like the Batmans where they are all wrapped, because I would just take this back. I was scared I would not find a Matrix release with a slipcover if I did not buy now.

When you go back have them match the web site price at $31.99.

[ryantoyota]

Anyone in Canada who’s already snagged a copy of this, I have a quick favour to ask:
Can you post pics of the packaging, particularly the slipcover spine? I’m curious to see how pervasive the French is on the bilingual packaging.

I’m ready to pull the trigger on this on Amazon.ca, but if there’s a massive French logo on the spine I’d almost rather pay the extra to order a copy from the US so that it looks better on the shelf.

[Kris Deering]

Looked at this for awhile this morning. I still say overall this is a very good transfer for UHD, but it does have its issues. There are definitely moments of baked in clipping and some coloration issues. You can see this right away in the opening sequence. Take a look at when Trinity calls Morpheus in the opening sequence and look at her forehead. You'll see some light white/cyan clipping. Another easy place to spot it is during the fight with Neo and Morpheus in the construct. When Neo stops his fist from hitting Morpheus right at the end of the fight, look at the obvious clipping and overdriven whites on his sleeve.

These little nitpicks pop up a bit more often than I would prefer for such a high end title. Not sure if they are because of the HDR10 tone map used for the base layer, or just inherent in the mastering. I will try and look at the DV grade on my OLED tonight and see if I see similar artifacts.

[gates70]

[Geoff D]

Tasty wheat!

[jh901]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Looked at this for awhile this morning. I still say overall this is a very good transfer for UHD, but it does have its issues.

These little nitpicks pop up a bit more often than I would prefer for such a high end title.

Those who haven't unsealed should return along with Jurassic Park.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Looked at this for awhile this morning. I still say overall this is a very good transfer for UHD, but it does have its issues. There are definitely moments of baked in clipping and some coloration issues. You can see this right away in the opening sequence. Take a look at when Trinity calls Morpheus in the opening sequence and look at her forehead. You'll see some light white/cyan clipping. Another easy place to spot it is during the fight with Neo and Morpheus in the construct. When Neo stops his fist from hitting Morpheus right at the end of the fight, look at the obvious clipping and overdriven whites on his sleeve.

These little nitpicks pop up a bit more often than I would prefer for such a high end title. Not sure if they are because of the HDR10 tone map used for the base layer, or just inherent in the mastering. I will try and look at the DV grade on my OLED tonight and see if I see similar artifacts.

DV grade appears to be metadata only so it'll be interesting to see if it makes any difference to how those issues look, the base layer is 1000 nits (a rarity for Warners) so it's unusual for a 4K-nit DV encode to not resolve any more highlight information. It's not impossible (as you pointed out before, mastering to a bajillion nits doesn't mean it will USE all of those nits) as we saw the same thing on Last Jedi but it's certainly unusual in the Matrix's case given how bright and blown-out certain things can look at certain points, whereas Last Jedi's "HDR" was practically SDR in an HDR container so the metadata-only DV layer was not a surprise there.

I said in my write-up that it really doesn't appear to have a whole lotta highlight detail above and beyond the pre-existing versions in HDR10: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...w#post15084482 and this could well prove tricky on certain displays where the mapping is still having to clip the upper end of the scale, that's fine for something that's got scads of highlight extension but for something like Matrix that has migrated the existing highlights into the upper end of the PQ EOTF then it could end up looking more clipped and harsh. (The 100/200 nit SDR converted caps of this one aren't going to be pretty.)

I don't mean you when I say that, but someone mentioned upthread about how faces look like they're going to "explode" and I don't get that at all (well, apart from Smith at the end obvs). I see a very bright encode that's pushing the existing highlights to the limit and beyond but it rarely feels like it's about to lose control, not to my eyes anyway.

[LoSouL]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

but someone mentioned upthread about how faces look like they're going to "explode" and I don't get that at all (well, apart from Smith at the end obvs).

Yeah, I didn't get that either. Not a nits related experience, whatever it is.

[Harryhausen AF]

Selling this. So much for more lifelike colors there's too much green in this. Looks unnatural but grain looked OK.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by Harryhausen AF

Selling this. So much for more lifelike colors there's too much green in this.

What display do you have and who calibrated it?

[RodChester]

Originally Posted by Harryhausen AF

Selling this. So much for more lifelike colors there's too much green in this. Looks unnatural but grain looked OK.

It’s not supposed to look like the real world. It’s a computer construct. It should look unique and unnatural.

[Harryhausen AF]

Originally Posted by RodChester

It’s not supposed to look like the real world. It’s a computer construct. It should look unique and unnatural.

But the real world looks a bit too blue as well. Alot better than the BD but still not lifelike like the fanres scan.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

DV grade appears to be metadata only so it'll be interesting to see if it makes any difference to how those issues look, the base layer is 1000 nits (a rarity for Warners) so it's unusual for a 4K-nit DV encode to not resolve any more highlight information. It's not impossible (as you pointed out before, mastering to a bajillion nits doesn't mean it will USE all of those nits) as we saw the same thing on Last Jedi but it's certainly unusual in the Matrix's case given how bright and blown-out certain things can look at certain points, whereas Last Jedi's "HDR" was practically SDR in an HDR container so the metadata-only DV layer was not a surprise there.

I said in my write-up that it really doesn't appear to have a whole lotta highlight detail above and beyond the pre-existing versions in HDR10: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...w#post15084482 and this could well prove tricky on certain displays where the mapping is still having to clip the upper end of the scale, that's fine for something that's got scads of highlight extension but for something like Matrix that has migrated the existing highlights into the upper end of the PQ EOTF then it could end up looking more clipped and harsh. (The 100/200 nit SDR converted caps of this one aren't going to be pretty.)

I don't mean you when I say that, but someone mentioned upthread about how faces look like they're going to "explode" and I don't get that at all (well, apart from Smith at the end obvs). I see a very bright encode that's pushing the existing highlights to the limit and beyond but it rarely feels like it's about to lose control, not to my eyes anyway.

Didn't see any blown out faces. This one is pretty stylized with bold color, and I can see that bothering some. I didn't find it too offensive, but I thought it looked a bit overdone and cooked at times.

I am going to look at some of these scenes tonight and have my processor evaluate the frames to see the max lumen levels. It will tell me on a frame by frame basis what the raw values are of the image before any tone map.

I was surprised to see the 1000 nit display max but that shouldn't be too big of an issue. Universal has done that since the beginning with no real issues like this. And MaxCLL could still be well below 1000 as we've seen with other titles like BR2049 and Dunkirk.

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

DV grade appears to be metadata only

I have not been following this closely but to what benefit if any is there to including DV metadata that does not seem to be providing much extended information.
Is this simply a marketing gimmick or does this minimal DV stream provide a benefit for users with a DV capable display?

Also with the weird highlights in some shots such as in the Nebuchadnezzar, could this be an authoring error or a fault due to perhaps truncating extended HDR content originally intended for material beyond 1,000 nits that perhaps a hypothetical original DV stream had.

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by Harryhausen AF

But the real world looks a bit too blue as well. Alot better than the BD but still not lifelike like the fanres scan.

The real world is supposed to look blue.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

I have not been following this closely but to what benefit if any is there to including DV metadata that does not seem to be providing much extended information.
Is this simply a marketing gimmick or does this minimal DV stream provide a benefit for users with a DV capable display?

Also with the weird highlights in some shots such as in the Nebuchadnezzar, could this be an authoring error or a fault due to perhaps truncating extended HDR content originally intended for material beyond 1,000 nits that perhaps a hypothetical original DV stream had.

That metadata is still of benefit as it is frame by frame metadata for DV displays.

As for the highlights and other issues, it is hard to say. They could have done a 1000 nit grade for the HDR10 base layer and we're seeing artifacts from that, or the metadata is wrong and we can ignore those numbers anyway as they have nothing to do with it, or it could be just a byproduct of the mastering and it wouldn't matter if you watched in DV or HDR10. Nearly impossible to know without talking with the folks that did the master.

[Bigwayne]

Originally Posted by Harryhausen AF

Selling this. So much for more lifelike colors there's too much green in this. Looks unnatural but grain looked OK.

How much?

[cleeve]

So where are people finding copies of this in the US? I'm desperate to pick one up locally but none of my Best Buy's have them in stock. Walmart? Target?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by cleeve

So where are people finding copies of this in the US? I'm desperate to pick one up locally but none of my Best Buy's have them in stock. Walmart? Target?

You have to pre-order Warner titles, they don't print an abundance of them. Also brick and mortar shops are almost dead for media, sorry to say. Mine came release day from Amazon.