Night of the Living Dead (1990) - Out of Print

[jlk5844]

Originally Posted by Davidian

Maybe because it’s revisionist.

Says who? 28-year-old memories of seeing it in a theater? Even if it is, it's better than the clearly inaccurate color scheme of the Umbrella, which uses a dated master.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by jlk5844

Wow, I didn't see that coming. Why don't you take another look and discuss, y'know, actually contribute?

OR how about you look through this nearly 400 page thread where myself and others have contributed plenty about the TT transfer. You need to get your eyes checked if you think the blue is "subtle". TT themselves essentially changed their policies about transfers after this debacle, and I personally got the DP who "approved" the transfer to admit that this is NOT what he put as his recommendations over the phone.

And also thanks for pointing out the obvious that a newer scan would have better detail than a dated master. Literally no one is arguing otherwise. The problem is much of that detail is masked under a veil of revisionist blue garbage. That's pretty clear when you see a fan corrected version.

You coming into a nearly 400 page thread where this had been discussed ad nauseum and saying the nonsense you said deserved no better response than my earlier one, but hopefully this one will fulfill my contribution badge for you.

[chrismac87]

Originally Posted by jlk5844

Says who? 28-year-old memories of seeing it in a theater? Even if it is, it's better than the clearly inaccurate color scheme of the Umbrella, which uses a dated master.

I've seen it screened on 35mm 4 times in the last 5 years - I can safely say the color scheme of the Twilight Time Blu Ray is wrong.

The DOP also spoke out regarding the transfer stating he was asked by Sony what changes should be made and all he said was the previous editions were too bright. He's openly stated that the blue tint on the film is completely wrong, especially in the day time scenes as well as the scenes inside the house. Outside at night the blue hues make more sense, but not during a summer evening/inside a well lit farm house.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by iamnoone

It's hard for me to double-dip on Blu these days, especially when the scans are 4K. Why not just issue a 4K + Blu, which may possibly come eventually? Sony issued "Christine" as a Blu, and then 3 years later, a 4K + Blu combo.

It is odd they aren't doing a 4k, but I can only assume they don't think this film has the market for it.

[chrismac87]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

It is odd they aren't doing a 4k, but I can only assume they don't think this film has the market for it.

They didn't initially release CHRISTINE as a 4K either so they may just be waiting to see how it does and then do it in another year.

[Michael24]

Wow. Looking at caps-a-holic, I had no idea the blue tint on the TT release was through the whole film. I thought it had just been added to the opening scenes to make it appear closer to dusk, then was gone once it was nighttime. Now I really hope this new Blu-ray removes the tint and puts the film back to how it should be.

[Davidian]

Originally Posted by jlk5844

Says who? 28-year-old memories of seeing it in a theater? Even if it is, it's better than the clearly inaccurate color scheme of the Umbrella, which uses a dated master.

Um no one much, just the Director of Photography Frank Prinzi.

"FRANK PRINZI: I have to let you know that I haven’t seen the transfer on Blu-ray, on a good screen, yet. I just saw [a] quick clip on the internet and what I saw looked bad. I was consulted verbally a couple of years back but was never given a “first draft” copy of the transfer to give my true feedback. It went from words to visuals. The range of interpretation is limitless. The words “cool” or “darker” can be taken in so many ways that without a visual marker to refer to, one can go in any direction. From what I hear the direction taken did not bring pleasing results to many."

Source: CinemaLowdown.com.

[MagellanvsHimself]

Originally Posted by jlk5844

I don't understand why the TT disc is so controversial. Looking at caps-a-holic, the tint looks wrong on the first cap, but that's it. In every other cap, the transfer looks natural, way more natural than the Umbrella in color and it resembles film instead of video. It's not like the frame is a wash of blue, it's subtle enough. Cap 4 shows vivid, natural, cool-green grass that looks like the intended look over the warm, artificial, bright hue of the Umbrella that looks like it hasn't been color corrected. The blue that's there in the TT transfer is clearly meant to give it a cool look and simulate nighttime, like in a lot of movies. Those last two caps that are set in daytime blow away the Umbrella IMO, I don't know how anyone can disagree with that. The grass and everything looks just right. I'd be fine with Sony releasing this same transfer.

Seeing the film in motion is a very different story - it's also disrespectful for those that fondly remember a film to "re-vision" something with a wildly different color scheme. (I know Tom Savini apparently signed off on the transfer...but in a way, doesn't that make it even worse?) The film looks semi-normal till dusk occurs in the motion picture. It's blue. There are no two ways about it. As I mentioned earlier, it's even more in-excusable that the Twilight Time disc is missing sound cues, including the important camera effect during the end credits. For a limited release that costs 30 plus dollars after shipping, it absolutely should be controversial.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by chrismac87

They didn't initially release CHRISTINE as a 4K either so they may just be waiting to see how it does and then do it in another year.

Well Christine came out before they really dove into UHD, but yeah you may be right. XXX got a 4k remaster that was BD only though and still no UHD.

[jlk5844]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

OR how about you look through this nearly 400 page thread where myself and others have contributed plenty about the TT transfer. You need to get your eyes checked if you think the blue is "subtle". TT themselves essentially changed their policies about transfers after this debacle, and I personally got the DP who "approved" the transfer to admit that this is NOT what he put as his recommendations over the phone.

And also thanks for pointing out the obvious that a newer scan would have better detail than a dated master. Literally no one is arguing otherwise. The problem is much of that detail is masked under a veil of revisionist blue garbage. That's pretty clear when you see a fan corrected version.

You coming into a nearly 400 page thread where this had been discussed ad nauseum and saying the nonsense you said deserved no better response than my earlier one, but hopefully this one will fulfill my contribution badge for you.

Instead of taking the opportunity to trash me and tear me down, and condescend, you could've read everything I said, considered it, and refuted it. Or not responded at all. That is an option. If my opinion is so worthless. Is this how you treat all new visitors to a thread?

You did make some great points though, admittedly I can't disagree with what the DP said. I concede it's not accurate, and I still understand criticism of the daytime beginning of the film, which I said I found to look wrong. It just does. No question.

However, the rest of those caps look fine to me. A tad dark sometimes, but no major qualms from me. Which is why it surprises me that it's inspired such impassioned hatred. I do have perfectly working eyes, thank you very much. I'd say the blue is subtle compared to this:

https://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d...0&i=15&l=0&a=1

Yeah?

My point was that it's not literally just shades of the color blue. It's not monochromatic. There are other colors visible, which I illustrated with the comment about the grass.

As for TT changing their policy, well, a business is going to do that to survive negative customer feedback that could doom them.

Never mentioned the word "detail." I said maybe five words about it resembling film rather than video, and you went to town on that. I'm aware other people notice that, I just see it as a positive feather in the TT's cap. I'd rather watch a film-like, newer scan than what I personally consider an ugly, artificial-looking master. The colors of the TT, aside from the beginning of the movie, don't bother me, and are preferable to me than the dull, washed out look of the Umbrella. You really don't agree with me that the TT looks better than the Umbrella in caps 11 & 12?

https://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d...9&i=10&l=0&a=1

I did also put some stock into Sony being the ones behind the transfer, who are normally aces. This would be a rare misstep for them.

I do want the most accurate version, so ideally I'd welcome a new remaster from Sony, but if they don't do it, then I'd probably take the TT transfer over the Umbrella. They're both problematic, at the end of the day the TT looks more pleasant to me. I just wish you would consider what I've said instead of dismissing me immediately.

[jlk5844]

Originally Posted by chrismac87

I've seen it screened on 35mm 4 times in the last 5 years - I can safely say the color scheme of the Twilight Time Blu Ray is wrong.

The DOP also spoke out regarding the transfer stating he was asked by Sony what changes should be made and all he said was the previous editions were too bright. He's openly stated that the blue tint on the film is completely wrong, especially in the day time scenes as well as the scenes inside the house. Outside at night the blue hues make more sense, but not during a summer evening/inside a well lit farm house.

Originally Posted by Davidian

Um no one much, just the Director of Photography Frank Prinzi.

"FRANK PRINZI: I have to let you know that I haven’t seen the transfer on Blu-ray, on a good screen, yet. I just saw [a] quick clip on the internet and what I saw looked bad. I was consulted verbally a couple of years back but was never given a “first draft” copy of the transfer to give my true feedback. It went from words to visuals. The range of interpretation is limitless. The words “cool” or “darker” can be taken in so many ways that without a visual marker to refer to, one can go in any direction. From what I hear the direction taken did not bring pleasing results to many."

Source: CinemaLowdown.com.

Fair enough. I clearly didn't do enough homework. Shooting from the hip, however, I still don't think the TT transfer is a travesty in strictly visual terms, for what appears to be most of the movie, anyway. And a summer evening can look like that if the sun goes behind the clouds.

[jlk5844]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Take a look at this video showing vidjunkie's color corrected version vs TT's transfer. This is clearly what we should have gotten.

https://vimeo.com/54107372

Hopefully Sony do a new scan and/or color correction that resembles that.

[bigdaddyhorse]

Originally Posted by jlk5844

I don't understand why the TT disc is so controversial. Looking at caps-a-holic, the tint looks wrong on the first cap, but that's it. In every other cap, the transfer looks natural, way more natural than the Umbrella in color and it resembles film instead of video. It's not like the frame is a wash of blue, it's subtle enough. Cap 4 shows vivid, natural, cool-green grass that looks like the intended look over the warm, artificial, bright hue of the Umbrella that looks like it hasn't been color corrected. The blue that's there in the TT transfer is clearly meant to give it a cool look and simulate nighttime, like in a lot of movies. Those last two caps that are set in daytime blow away the Umbrella IMO, I don't know how anyone can disagree with that. The grass and everything looks just right. I'd be fine with Sony releasing this same transfer.

Cuz those of us who saw this in the theater remembered it being light outside. It was a great juxtaposition to the horror happening with it looking like a perfect sunny day. The last few minutes of the TT were when the blue went away and it was correct again. First 2 minutes (arguably they are a bit too dark as well, but not as bad as what comes after) and last 5 are all that's good of the TT version.

[SpaceBlackKnight]

I would be totally optimistic if we knew of any press statements as to what source will be used, but TBH I wouldn't put it past Sony to recycle the 4k transfer used for the TT disc as is and then just expect the monies to come in.

[oildude]

Guys, ya'll know the rules here....no discussion of fan edited discs. Some of you are saying you have versions supplied by a certain member. These are bootlegs and all references to them will be deleted. Please stop it.

Thanks.

[WinterBox]

People are getting way caught up in the Blue tint or not. Forget all that. Twilight Time's transfer looks terrible regardless.

[MagellanvsHimself]

Originally Posted by Michael24

Wow. Looking at caps-a-holic, I had no idea the blue tint on the TT release was through the whole film. I thought it had just been added to the opening scenes to make it appear closer to dusk, then was gone once it was nighttime. Now I really hope this new Blu-ray removes the tint and puts the film back to how it should be.

It is extremely annoying. I'm very familiar with the film, and while I was initially happy with the TT disc...the moment the film takes on the blue color scheme - it's awful. Seeing it in motion, it almost feels like someone made a mistake while mastering the transfer - it's that bad.

[grodd]

I sold my TT copy shortly after it came out. I thought it was that bad. Later I bought the Umbrella when it came out. Much better

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by grodd

I sold my TT copy shortly after it came out. I thought it was that bad. Later I bought the Umbrella when it came out. Much better

I did the same. Much better in every regard.

[Richard--W]

I recommend the Umbrella bluray. The TT was too dark.