Pioneer To End TV Production, Spin Off DVD Development

[Blu As Hell]

Originally Posted by saprano

Yea im sure its going sell fast once the price drops. i'll be keeping an eye out.

I was going to probably get one anyway, but now i might have to get it sooner rather than later.

I know right, I was already planning on getting one at the beginning of this year but then this rumor started and now I'm feel like I need to rush and get one.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Sonny

Also pioneers new BD players were/are gunna be sweet.

So far as I've read it's standalone DVD players that will be discontinued, not Blu-ray Disc players.

[gtmorgan23]

well this sucks, I had planned on upgrading my 50" sammy to a 6020 in the future. I guess it will have to be much sooner than i planned.

I guess if they drop the price on them I will have to buy one. Another idea would be to wait till BB puts them on sale again and do the 3 years no interest.

Worst case if the numbers get low in our inventory system I will just have to pick one up at employee price.

[gtmorgan23]

anyone know when the last date of production will be?

how long do I have?

[4TA23]

I have read almost every thread on this here and else where. Pioneer is only closing there PDP line, nothing else, so I would bet they will still honnor warranties. You have both Samsung and Panny, whose new line looks ok but rumor has it not better than a 9G Pio but better than last years TV's (thank you poor economy). Samsung is not going any where, according to what I have read else where they are the "800lb Gorilla" capable of pushing everyone else around, so I have read, and they are very aggressive. If Pio is really out I bet they sell there tech to either Panny (hopefully) or Samsung but Sharp has a vested intrest in Pio as well as Sharp makes the LCD KURO's for Pio ( only sold in Europe I think) and may not want to let things go either. I would almost bet that depending on how much money Pio needs to get themselves out of hot water and whoever has the most money (probably Samsung) will buy the tech rites to KURO plasma screens. I seriously hope Panny as they seem to push the plasma more than Samsung does. Samsung adapted to a market choice by the masses being fooled into thinking LCD's are a better TV ( thank you uneducated BB and CC employees at the big box stores, way to read actual facts).

So that is my two cents, maybe a little hope and prayer and one of the big guys Panny or Sammy will bail them out and we will see the new 10G Pio, one can always hope, I am sure we will know more Thursday or Friday when Pio is to announce what the heck is really going on.

[4TA23]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

But unless I am mistaken, Pioneer's continued research in the area of Plasma TVs will be lost. Perhaps they will sell their technology, but will a company also take on the responsibility of employing the entire research team that has been assembled by Pioneer?

Rich

Pio has already let ago alot of there research team through early retirement and replacement to other companies mostly Panny, again from what I have read so some steps have already been taken here, good news with the Panny team getting a good chunk of engineers.

[4TA23]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

No, the uniformity of picture will still be the #1 issue with the LED picture quality, as it is today.



They're already using Kuro technology in the new Z-Series coming this Summer in a 54" size only. I have no doubt they will continue to utilize Pioneer's developments as well as their own - they've been partners in the PDP coalition for years and years.

If you want more info on the new Panny's check out this thread at AVS, there are alot of good pics and info there

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1105773

or click here to go straight to Panny Web site and look for yourself:

http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/index.html

Panny please save us all...lol. In the mean time I am getting me a 5020...yeahhhhh...thank you tax return. Maybe a 6020 if they get low enough.

[[1080-p]]

Originally Posted by naturephoto1

I highly question that this is correct, however stranger things have been known to happen.

Rich

well with articles like this which is sad but there is still some technology that could be introduced
http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archi...-that-pio.html

maybe they will come out with tv like this http://thefutureofthings.com/pod/631...-contrast.html

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by [1080-p]

maybe they will come out with tv like this http://thefutureofthings.com/pod/631...-contrast.html

Those dynamic contrast ratios being touted mean absolutely nothing at all because they don't specify testing conditions and they don't represent anything that could be possibly considered normal viewing conditions.

Take 100% black signal, measure.
Take 100% white signal, measure.
What's the ratio = dynamic contrast

ANSI contrast will probably show those sets to be closer to 1,800:1, a far cry from what the Kuro's are seeing (almost 15,000:1)

[[1080-p]]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Pshaw! Those dynamic contrast ratios being touted mean absolutely nothing at all because they don't specify testing conditions and they don't represent anything that could be possibly considered normal viewing conditions.

Take 100% black signal, measure.
Take 100% white signal, measure.
What's the ratio = dynamic contrast

ANSI contrast will probably show those sets to be closer to 1,800:1

1,800:1 contrast is just dumb

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by [1080-p]

1,800:1 contrast is just dumb

Actually it's realistic.
Are you familiar with ANSI?
The Kuro's almost hit 15,000:1 and that's the best on the market.

What is dumb is putting any faith in dynamic contrast figures.

[Sonny]

^^^ Yeah dynamic contrast is a joke. I think my 10,000.1 60u Panny has a contrast of 788.1 !!!! I love it!!

[Clark Kent]

This is obviously sad news for the Blu-ray owners that wanted the absolute best looking visual quality in their displays. The other plasma manufacturers had been playing catch-up with Pioneer the last several years and Pioneer could not turn it into a profitable business. I hope Panasonic buys out the patents and knowledge that Pioneer has accumulated on plasma technology.

[saprano]

^^^^ You know whats funny clark K? all these new LCD, and plasma models thats coming out this year with there new tech still doesn't beat the KURO in PQ or blacks.

[gtmorgan23]

Originally Posted by 4TA23

I have read almost every thread on this here and else where. Pioneer is only closing there PDP line, nothing else, so I would bet they will still honnor warranties. You have both Samsung and Panny, whose new line looks ok but rumor has it not better than a 9G Pio but better than last years TV's (thank you poor economy). Samsung is not going any where, according to what I have read else where they are the "800lb Gorilla" capable of pushing everyone else around, so I have read, and they are very aggressive. If Pio is really out I bet they sell there tech to either Panny (hopefully) or Samsung but Sharp has a vested intrest in Pio as well as Sharp makes the LCD KURO's for Pio ( only sold in Europe I think) and may not want to let things go either. I would almost bet that depending on how much money Pio needs to get themselves out of hot water and whoever has the most money (probably Samsung) will buy the tech rites to KURO plasma screens. I seriously hope Panny as they seem to push the plasma more than Samsung does. Samsung adapted to a market choice by the masses being fooled into thinking LCD's are a better TV ( thank you uneducated BB and CC employees at the big box stores, way to read actual facts).

So that is my two cents, maybe a little hope and prayer and one of the big guys Panny or Sammy will bail them out and we will see the new 10G Pio, one can always hope, I am sure we will know more Thursday or Friday when Pio is to announce what the heck is really going on.

i work there part time and usually sell more plasmas to customers and educate them on how much better they look then lcd's

[SBrooks1]

Originally Posted by saprano

^^^^ You know whats funny clark K? all these new LCD, and plasma models thats coming out this year with there new tech still doesn't beat the KURO in PQ or blacks.

Which is why I hug my 6020 at least once every day

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Actually it's realistic.
Are you familiar with ANSI?
The Kuro's almost hit 15,000:1 and that's the best on the market.

What is dumb is putting any faith in dynamic contrast figures.

Yeah, if any non-LED LCD can approach 1000:1 I will be very surprised.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by SBrooks1

Which is why I hug my 6020 at least once every day

I going to start doing the same.

[saprano]

lol, i hope to join in soon.

[ManUtd]

Originally Posted by SBrooks1

Which is why I hug my 6020 at least once every day

I might as well do the same from now on.