Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

The director of the Last Jedi says he saw a total restoration of ''A new hope'' and he says we may see a public showing in 4k.

He said that he was shown a new 4K master of the Special Edition.

Originally Posted by Fang Zei

In that regard, the only thing they really “gave away” to Fox was whatever extras they included with the digital release of ANH in 2015.

What they "gave away" to Fox was the revenue from those releases of the movie. Before the Fox purchase, Fox got a slice, no matter which cut Lucasfilm released. After the Fox purchase, Fox does not get a slice, no matter which cut Lucasfilm releases. The Fox ownership change has no significant bearing on any decision to release one cut or the other.

[Fang Zei]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

He said that he was shown a new 4K master of the Special Edition.



What they "gave away" to Fox was the revenue from those releases of the movie. Before the Fox purchase, Fox got a slice, no matter which cut Lucasfilm released. After the Fox purchase, Fox does not get a slice, no matter which cut Lucasfilm releases. The Fox ownership change has no significant bearing on any decision to release one cut or the other.

If you’re buying out an entire rival studio for $70 Billion, why wouldn’t you wait until that company belongs entirely and completely to you before releasing something you’d otherwise need to share with them?

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

And how would you know that.You make a statement but don't offer a source, no proof, just you say not true.

Oh man.

That irony tho.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

And how would you know that.You make a statement but don't offer a source, no proof, just you say not true. The director of the Last Jedi says he saw a total restoration of ''A new hope'' and he says we may see a public showing in 4k. Which means to me we could see a 4K disk this year or early in 2020.n 4K physical disk needs a huge boost in this format and I can't think of another title that could do that with the world wide fan base Star Wars has. That could help save physical media. Disney!, step it up.

Maybe he works for the Mouse?

Disney already found a loophole to release the Saga digitally. I have a feeling removing the "Episode" portion of the titles may be another one, in regards to future releases.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Fang Zei

If you’re buying out an entire rival studio for $70 Billion, why wouldn’t you wait until that company belongs entirely and completely to you before releasing something you’d otherwise need to share with them?

Good question. Why don't you ask Disney why they didn't do that?

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Disney already found a loophole to release the Saga digitally.

The word isn't "loophole"; it's "deal"- same as they've always done.

[Falaskan]

People acting like Star Wars isn't coming out in 4K might as well be saying they can't believe the weather on the horizon unless they read about it in the paper first.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

People acting like Star Wars isn't coming out in 4K

Who's doing that?! I don't see anyone denying that 4K Star Wars is inevitable.

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

They've released the existing movies multiple times while Disney owned Lucasfilm, but did not own Fox, so the "giving profit away to Fox for doing nothing" happened anyway.

You should be as pedantic when analyzing your own points as you are when analyzing other people's, because this is a bad point that only looks good because you're laser focused on a few specific words.

Yes, Disney re-released the same discs that had previously existed in different packages, because the costs are minimal and doing so increases their revenue stream compared to not releasing them, even though they have to share that revenue with Fox. From a corporate perspective, that's not the same thing as investing millions of dollars to restore a property and then sharing the profits on that restoration with a party who invested nothing in it.

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Maybe he works for the Mouse?

Disney already found a loophole to release the Saga digitally. I have a feeling removing the "Episode" portion of the titles may be another one, in regards to future releases.

The reason why Disney does not have "Episode #" in their advertising of the movies is because they and Lucasfilm went back to how the Original Trilogy was advertised. The "Episode" tags in the posters and advertising were not added till George made the Prequel Trilogy.

The best way Disney could make Episodes 1-6 more uniform with Episodes 7-9 presentation wise would be taking out the fanfare that they made for the digital versions of the films as well the 20th Century Fox fanfare for A New Hope and just leaving it silent at the beginning like Episodes 7-9. Because really the Star Wars Main Title/Crawl music after silence is pretty freakin sweet!!

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Disney is making good money on SW, new and old. They don’t need to cater to a few ravenous message board fans.
I know on these boards folks tend to lose touch with reality and the whole, wide world of Joe Average. People still buy DVDs. A lot of them. If Disney wanted to release them, they have had ample opportunity. They have not.

Yeah, Disney would never do anything to milk the major Star Wars fans who will buy whatever they put out. They'd never release comic books with 12 different covers, release variant toys, release things that their target child audience can't afford, release different slipcovers for the same movie. Disney has always been perfectly content with the large amount of money that they get from casual viewers of a property without trying to maximize that profit by exploiting the super-fans.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

You should be as pedantic when analyzing your own points as you are when analyzing other people's, because this is a bad point that only looks good because you're laser focused on a few specific words.

Huh?! So, it's "pedantic" because you disagree with it?

Can you please just articulate a response to the actual point?

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

From a corporate perspective, that's not the same thing as investing millions of dollars to restore a property and then sharing the profits on that restoration with a party who invested nothing in it.

That "restoration" was already done. The trims were scanned when the masters the Blu-rays used were created, so releasing the original cuts would not have required "investing millions of dollars". Again, they could release either (or both) cuts then and they can release either (or both) cuts now. They had to pay Fox for any releases then; they have to pay Fox for no releases now.

The Fox ownership had no real bearing on which cuts they released. They could've released the original cuts at any time and they still could today. In all this time, they haven't done it and there's no substantive evidence that makes "... but they will NOW!" a foregone conclusion.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

People acting like Star Wars isn't coming out in 4K might as well be saying they can't believe the weather on the horizon unless they read about it in the paper first.

No one cares about Star Wars coming. We care about what form it will take.

[Takeshi666]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

The problem is even if they get released you know there will be 1,000,000 complaints about them.

pic quality
sound quality
no new extras
scene missing/wrong
i cant see the squares around the tie fighters
black crush
"We waited all this time for this" ??

You know stuff like that.

This is really the consequence of the films having been withheld from distribution for so long. They've made themselves victims of hype and, with the myriad fan restoration projects, you now have people who know how good the movies can look and sound. If these had been released in the dawn of the format, before any of this despecialized nonsense, the point of comparison would not exist.

And I can't really blame them for that because I know for a fact that even if they did release the unaltered OT, it would never be as comprehensive as the fan projcts in terms of audio options. Seriously, the amount of audio tracks on those is absolutely insane. Do I want to see the '77 film with the elusive mono track? Why yes, yes I do. Would it be included in the eventual official release? Probably not.

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Huh?! So, it's "pedantic" because you disagree with it?

No, it's pedantic because you selected specific words to respond to while ignoring the actual substance of the point.

I guess it's possible that Disney would have to spend zero dollars to release the film, but it seems incredibly unlikely based on everything I've ever heard about how George Lucas treated the original negatives. This is the point where I have to admit, I don't care enough about Star Wars to follow all of the day-to-day stuff that gets said, so can you direct me to the source of your claim that the non-special editions have all been fully restored by Disney and are in a state where they could be released with no further investment? Because it seems as if that's the main point of disagreement here. If that is accurate, then I would retract anything I said and change my opinion. But it's dubious enough based on things that I do know that you'll understand that I can't just take your word for it.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

No, it's pedantic because you selected specific words to respond to while ignoring the actual substance of the point.

What substance of the point did I ignore?

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

I guess it's possible that Disney would have to spend zero dollars to release the film, but it seems incredibly unlikely based on everything I've ever heard about how George Lucas treated the original negatives.

Not zero dollars, but certainly not millions of dollars, either. George Lucas treated the negatives quite well, as of the original Special Editions project. They've been conformed to the Special Edition changes, but every shot that was removed for Special Edition replacement has been properly archived as a trim.

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

This is the point where I have to admit, I don't care enough about Star Wars to follow all of the day-to-day stuff that gets said, so can you direct me to the source of your claim that the non-special editions have all been fully restored by Disney and are in a state where they could be released with no further investment?

And this is the point where I have to admit that I don't have reference to any of the articles I've read on the topic to hand. I'm sorry I can't source the information and I certainly understand if you choose to remain skeptical (as is your prerogative).

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

The Fox ownership had no real bearing on which cuts they released. They could've released the original cuts at any time and they still could today. In all this time, they haven't done it and there's no substantive evidence that makes "... but they will NOW!" a foregone conclusion.

More conjecture. Unless you know all the stipulations of the contract and sale, you're talking out of your ass.

My partner works in an industry that generates lots of online chatter on message boards, such as this. They normally roll their eyes at the constant armchair experts that always seem to have the right answers for everything, when they know next to nothing about the inner workings of the industry.

I don't see how this is any different.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

More conjecture.

What conjecture? You're the one suggesting that there's evidence somewhere that they're suddenly about to do something they've never done. I'm not proposing anything; just questioning your conviction about some "evidence" that I don't see.

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Unless you know all the stipulations of the contract and sale, you're talking out of your ass.

Again, I'm not proposing anything- you are. I don't need to see a contract to back up my statement that "They haven't released them yet." All I need is a Blu-ray release database like the one on this very site.

Originally Posted by Falaskan

My partner works in an industry that generates lots of online chatter on message boards, such as this. They normally roll their eyes at the constant armchair experts that always seem to have the right answers for everything, when they know next to nothing about the inner workings of the industry.

I don't see how this is any different.

I don't either, except that you seem to be inverting the burden of proof. You're the one saying that a release is inevitable. All I'm asking is, "What makes you say that?"

[thatguamguy]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

What substance of the point did I ignore?

Well, at the point when I called your response pedantic, you were focused in on "release" as if all releases are the same thing. I'd rather not dwell on contention, to be clear that criticism was limited to the initial post to which it was a response, not the rest of your posts since then.

And this is the point where I have to admit that I don't have reference to any of the articles I've read on the topic to hand. I'm sorry I can't source the information and I certainly understand if you choose to remain skeptical (as is your prerogative).

I'm a bit disappointed because now I'm genuinely curious, maybe even interested.

Just based on the paragraph I didn't include here, I think you're underrating the effort that would be involved in restoring the original versions. But it's equally possible I've overestimating it. We're kind of at an impasse on that, but I'm glad we seem to agree about that at least

This is the question that I would ask you; I have explained the logic behind why I believe that Disney would have not released them, and then would release them. What I'm curious about, what is the reason that you believe that Disney would never release them? I mean, I think we can all agree that Disney would make more money releasing them than never releasing them, right? Some amount greater than zero, whatever that is. So what would be their reason for leaving that money on the table? Even Lucas himself wasn't able to resist releasing them, he just refused to put any additional money into the release.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

What conjecture? You're the one suggesting that there's evidence somewhere that they're suddenly about to do something they've never done. I'm not proposing anything; just questioning your conviction about some "evidence" that I don't see.

So the list below means nothing?

-Disney+ was revealed to come out this November and include 4K streaming
-Star Wars was heavily featured for this platform
-TLJ/Solo was already released in 4K
-The likelihood of Disney only releasing 2 films in 4K out of 10 for a property of this magnitude is nonsense
-It's also nonsense to think they'll release 2 in 4K, 8 in HD and slowly upgrade them later, many casual viewers would miss it.
-The likelihood of a 4K release on Disney+ only is next to nothing
-The likelihood of a 4K release on Disney+ with a physical release later is also next to nothing
-TROS (heralded as the end of the Skywalker saga) is coming out this Christmas after a very divisive TLJ
-If this ends the Skywalker saga, there will never be a better time to tie in to the originals, as far as theatrical releases go
-Disney was stuck with Fox owning ANH in perpetuity and the rest until 2020.
-Disney bought out Fox, negating those stipulations
-What else was negated by the buyout?
-Disney needs to get out of the red from this Fox buyout
-Disney already was able to release (before the buyout) the Saga digitally simply because the contracts surrounding them was pre-the digital era.
-4K restorations are already known to have been worked on

The burden of proof does not simply await a press release. The works are already in motion. The mental gymnastics denying that are so off the charts, it's almost shill-like.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

What I'm curious about, what is the reason that you believe that Disney would never release them?

I don't necessarily believe they would never release them; I just believe they are failing to release them now for the very same reason they've been failing to release them for the past x years: Lucas doesn't want them in significant circulation. I don't think that's changed recently (nor do I think that it will soon) and the president of Lucasfilm, who was hand-picked for that position by Lucas, wants to respect Lucas' position on it.

Originally Posted by thatguamguy

Even Lucas himself wasn't able to resist releasing them, he just refused to put any additional money into the release.

I think that release was nothing but a false appeasement of the on-going fan drumbeat. By releasing a version that satisfied no one, Lucas could claim that he did what fans wanted and he could also claim that doing so produced no significant financial benefit (and he has subsequently said both of these things). I think he knows full well that an unaltered version of comparable quality to the best Special Editions release would make a lot of money, but he doesn't want the Special Editions to have competition as the 'versions of record'. For the same reason, he pulled as many pre-Special Edition theatrical prints from global circulation as he could get his hands on, as well.