Commentary from the Insiders Thread

[dakota81]

Originally Posted by hoser

For any insider:

I am having a bit of a debate with someone concerning the passing of audio codecs (TrueHD, DTS-HD & MA, etc.) bitstream.
He claims that none of the BD disks released so far will be able to pass these codecs bitstream (due to some kind of DRM or something) to the new receivers and pre/pros (for example, the new Onkyo/Integra line).
Current disk releases can only be decoded by current and future players internally; while external decoding is only possible with future releases.
What is the truth on this stuff?

I know I'm not an insider, but the answers are on this site. None of the current players can pass the bitstream through hdmi, they do not have the necessary hardware. The new Samsungs will allow the bitstream passed through hdmi, from any BD new or old:
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=309

In your question above, switch your usage of "disk" and "player", and you will be correct.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by blublublu

Insiders:

What is the story on BD50 yields/costs and whether any studios are concerned about scalability and (non-subsidized) pricing of BD50s?

This seems to be one of the FUD points from HD DVD (e.g. cited as a factor in Paramounts decision) and I'm wondering what the reality is.

This is a rather long story.

You may have seen the start of a back and forth between me and Dave Vaughn over on the other site.

Just keep reading that, and I think you will probably learn all you need to know.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I was just trying to be respectful in not naming any names at this early juncture.

If I get PMed that this guy has made some overt ludicrous comment about studio business believe me, you won’t need any decoder ring.

P-Man, I can tell you now that he has made ludicrous comments about Paramount.

[hoser]

Originally Posted by dakota81

I know I'm not an insider, but the answers are on this site. None of the current players can pass the bitstream through hdmi, they do not have the necessary hardware. The new Samsungs will allow the bitstream passed through hdmi, from any BD new or old:
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=309

In your question above, switch your usage of "disk" and "player", and you will be correct.

Yes, I know that current players can't pass bitstream.

My question is whether it is possible to pass bitstream using current BDs with future HDMI 1.3 players?
Or....
Is there something on current BD (the disks themselves) releases that prevents passing bitstream to an external decoder (receiver, pre/pro, etc.)?

[MovieTime]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

P-Man, I can tell you now that he has made ludicrous comments about Paramount.

P-man prepare for battle...swords fixed.

[blublublu]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

This is a rather long story.

You may have seen the start of a back and forth between me and Dave Vaughn over on the other site.

Just keep reading that, and I think you will probably learn all you need to know.

I'd like the perspective of the formal "insiders" at this forum. (So Max, when are you getting insider status at AVS?)

If you believe Mr Vaughn. regarding Paramount:

the cost of producing BD50 titles was a very big factor in their decision.

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by hoser

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Is there something on current BD (the disks themselves) releases that prevents passing bitstream to an external decoder (receiver, pre/pro, etc.)?

No.

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by whippersnapper

And a BD50 replication expert also?

I'm not an insider (duh!) but briefly, this worry about the cost of BD50s simply cannot be taken seriously for reasons outlined in #254 in this thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...183#post191183

[degas]

I have nothing against David Vaughn at all.
But I find it curious that a reviewer suddely has Insider status.

In my world - you are either an industry insider, or you're not.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by blublublu

I'd like the perspective of the formal "insiders" at this forum. (So Max, when are you getting insider status at AVS?)

No worries, I don't think I will be asking for any Insider status at AVS, the conditions are too stringent, i.e. I can't give any names over as work would stop me from posting anywhere.

If you believe Mr Vaughn. regarding Paramount:

I don't. He has been misinformed by his contacts at Paramount, the only people who know what really happened have a much higher pay-grade than his contact.

[Woody]

Originally Posted by Zinn

Can anyone shed some light on Loewe:s blu-ray player, the BluTech Vision?

What is that? Do you have a link?

[Zinn]

Originally Posted by Woody

What is that? Do you have a link?

Link <- In German.

[Zinn]

Originally Posted by Woody

What is that? Do you have a link?

Link <- In German.

[Woody]

Originally Posted by Zinn

Link

Thanks, where did you hear about it?

[blujacket]

Originally Posted by onyxx

Paidgeek,

Can you provide some insight on how the "consideration" regarding Seinfeld on BD is going? After the Paramount news I started abandoning the ship and selling off my BD collection to the highest bidders. I decided to wait this thing out by the sidelines in stead of in the heat of the battle. Thats until you said that the complete Seinfeld collection on BD is being considered, that made me see a little light again and that's why I'm asking!

You abandon Blu-ray because of Paramount, but Seinfeld brings you back?

[Zinn]

Originally Posted by Woody

Thanks, where did you hear about it?

Well the link I provided, but also from Prylportalen.se

[Woody]

Originally Posted by Zinn

Well the link I provided, but also from Prylportalen.se

Cool thanks. A loewe video source, yummy.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by hoser

I did not know that.
That seems more than reasonable IMO.

Region coding has been another club the Dark Side has used against BD.

I should add that it is also possible that region coding on new releases is permissible for split territories between BD studios.

Obviously, there is no issue for split territories and HD DVD studios. Both from an effective protection (they've refused their markets' Blu-rays) and a hypocrisy POV (HD DVD doesn't have region coding, but they'd demand studios use it on BD?).

Gary

[Tekman]

Originally Posted by Zinn

Link <- In German.

This a german High end manufacturer. They introduced this Blu-ray player today at IFA.

http://www.loewe-int.de/

[radagast]

Originally Posted by onyxx

Paidgeek,

Can you provide some insight on how the "consideration" regarding Seinfeld on BD is going? After the Paramount news I started abandoning the ship and selling off my BD collection to the highest bidders. I decided to wait this thing out by the sidelines in stead of in the heat of the battle. Thats until you said that the complete Seinfeld collection on BD is being considered, that made me see a little light again and that's why I'm asking!

Wow. You need to be on medication for your mood swings. Just because Paramount did what they did shouldn't drive anyone to despair. You sound like the cook in the Monty Python "dirty fork" skit. Just relax for cryin' out loud.