Star Wars Question Regarding Palpatine/Darth Sidious - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

GeneD5 · 11-09-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilGav

Count Dooku ordered the clone troopers at about the same time as the trade federation blockaded Naboo, under the orders of Palpatine - so he'd had it planned for a good 20 years or so.

Was it Dooku's Jedi name the cloner's referred to in episode II when they were telling Obi Wan who ordered the clones?

GeneD5 · 11-09-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Palpatine/Sidious, apprentice of Plagueis, also created Anakin -- it's on the DVD commentary for Episode III. Lucas decided to cut the explicit dialog from the film, and now Palapatine only vaguely refers to it, which I think is a damned shame, because if you know that Anakin was created by the Sith, it puts a lot of things in Episode I in context.

Did he say how we are supposed to pick up on Sidious creating Anakin? Did he force-hpypnotize the mom and bang her or do it strictly through the force?
This is a great thread...

kevind · 11-09-2009, 03:47 PM

The Books by Timothy Zahn that make up the Thrawn Trilogy are:

Heir To the Empire

Dark Force Rising

The Last Command

The Best Star Wars IMO

kevind · 11-09-2009, 03:48 PM

I ment to say the best SW Books

Pauliesr · 11-09-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

Well, if they ever did adapt those stories, they wouldn't be episodes 7-9. Those are Zahn's stories, not Lucas's. And besides, they would have to be animated as the cast is too old. The only other option would be to re-cast everybody, and that would be a disaster.

It worked for Star Trek. It'd be a whole new generation watching...just like what happened with Episodes I-III.

Almost all people from the IV-VI generation didn't like I-III but what about the new generation? Those people that have watched I-III and THEN watched IV-VI and all they had to say was 'the special effects weren't as good'.

It would ruin it for the IV-VI generation like how we felt after watching I-III but might be good for the newbies.

Sponge-worthy · 11-09-2009, 04:19 PM

Interesting question about the prequels: kinda like looking a block of swiss cheese and disproprotionately wondering why one particular hole exists.

Answer: The Jedi didn't know about the Order for the same reason they could not discover, detect, sense, etc. that Palpatine was the Sith lord. Even though throughout the series, Jedi seem rather adept at 'feeling' the Force in anybody they happen to encounter, Lucas had to neuter their powers so that the Jedi council could actually be co-opted by a poorly crafted story and Hayden Christensen.

P@t_Mtl · 11-09-2009, 04:26 PM

New record for a Star Wars thread, 25 posts before we got our first "prequels are bad" post

Usualy happen's in the first 5 posts

GeneD5 · 11-09-2009, 04:28 PM

Here's some info to add to the conversation:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/cha...ous/index.html

AFTER Darth Maul was killed, Sidious brought Dooku on board, and that is when the clone army was ordered. This databank is awesome..

Chordata · 11-09-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Palpatine/Sidious, apprentice of Plagueis, also created Anakin -- it's on the DVD commentary for Episode III. Lucas decided to cut the explicit dialog from the film, and now Palapatine only vaguely refers to it, which I think is a damned shame, because if you know that Anakin was created by the Sith, it puts a lot of things in Episode I in context.

What scene?

Afrobean · 11-09-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneD5

Was it Dooku's Jedi name the cloner's referred to in episode II when they were telling Obi Wan who ordered the clones?

Dooku is his traditional name. His Sith name is Darth Tyranus.

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Originally Posted by ryan69969

Interesting question about the prequels: kinda like looking a block of swiss cheese and disproprotionately wondering why one particular hole exists.

Answer: The Jedi didn't know about the Order for the same reason they could not discover, detect, sense, etc. that Palpatine was the Sith lord. Even though throughout the series, Jedi seem rather adept at 'feeling' the Force in anybody they happen to encounter, Lucas had to neuter their powers so that the Jedi council could actually be co-opted by a poorly crafted story and Hayden Christensen.

The case with Palpatine was the first Sith any of them had ever encountered (apart from Obi-wan killing Darth Maul and those who dealt directly with Dooku before Anakin killed him). Dark Jedi don't count.

It is entirely possible that they may be unable to sense one's force adeptness if they're full-on Sith, or maybe Palpatine's higher level or special learnings allowed him to shield himself. I would say that being able to hide one's self would be a skill in high demand for a a Dark Side follower.

And yeah, it's pretty obvious they realize something shady is going on, they just don't know what until it's too late. They're even openly suspicious of Palpatine but fail to consider the idea of him being a Sith Lord.

StereoMike · 11-09-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrobean

Dooku is his traditional name. His Sith name is Darth Tyranus.

I think he was talking about Sifo-Dyas

Afrobean · 11-09-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Stereomike

I think he was talking about Sifo-Dyas

That may have been the name he was thinking of, but he referred to Dooku and asked about Dooku's "Jedi name".

Dooku is his name. That's not the Sith title appointed to him.

ps look what I found: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Concealment

So yeah, Sith Lords are definitely able to conceal themselves if they take the time to learn how.

P@t_Mtl · 11-09-2009, 04:55 PM

Sith are able to cover their powers, it's one of their special abilities. Also it's good to remember that the Jedi in the movies are no longer the Jedi of old. They are decadent, too sure of themselves, Yoda make's a few remarks about that in the movies. After a 1000 years a lot of techniques and teachings have been lost to them due to lack of use and the fact that they refuse to evolve their believes. This would give a serious advantage to a Sith master and his apprentice. A thousand years without much of any challenges and enemies will make anyone lose their edge and that is where the Jedi are in the prequels. Yoda known's it, Qui Gon knew it as well.

It's always been my believe that Darth Sidious created Anakin, there is a few hints here in there in the movies.

The clone army was ordered by Sifo-Dyas, it's never too clear if he was Dooku or not but in the movie Obiwan is saying he was dead for 10 years, so I doubt he could confuse Dooku and Sifo-Dyas, it's probably that Sifo-Dyas was a older Jedi that was influence by Darth Sidious to order the clones.

Batman1980 · 11-09-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrobean

That may have been the name he was thinking of, but he referred to Dooku and asked about Dooku's "Jedi name".

Dooku is his name. That's not the Sith title appointed to him.

ps look what I found: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Concealment

So yeah, Sith Lords are definitely able to conceal themselves if they take the time to learn how.

Darth Tyranus was his Sith name, for clarification, Afrobean.

Afrobean · 11-09-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Darth Tyranus was his Sith name, for clarification, Afrobean.

I already said that!

And yeah, look up Sifo-Dyas sometime. It's not Dooku. He was a Jedi himself.

Elbie · 11-09-2009, 05:11 PM

Thanks for all that answered my questions. A lot more info added to this thread as well.

Ator the Invincible · 11-09-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GeneD5

Was it Dooku's Jedi name the cloner's referred to in episode II when they were telling Obi Wan who ordered the clones?

Just to add to what others have said... No. There really aren't "Jedi names". Jedi use their birth names for the most part. The name you're referring to is Sifo-Dyas. He was an ally of Dooku's in the Jedi Order and he was the one who secretly ordered the clones when he had a vision of upcoming turmoil and war. Palpatine found out about this and ordered Dooku to murder Dyas as a test. Dooku did so and took over the development of the clones for their own purposes.

thePhoenix · 11-09-2009, 05:26 PM

He should at least make Shadows of the Empire!

aramis109 · 11-09-2009, 05:34 PM

Would be interested in reading some more of this "Palpatine created Anakin" bit if folks have links. First I've heard of it.

P@t_Mtl · 11-09-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thePhoenix

He should at least make Shadows of the Empire!

Animation? I always figured it would make a heck of a nice animation movie, specialy if you can get them to do the voices.

11-09-2009, 04:55 PM	#33
P@t_Mtl Blu-ray Duke Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Montreal Home Theater Gallery:4 Blu-ray collection:452 DVD collection:513 Trading Score:3	Sith are able to cover their powers, it's one of their special abilities. Also it's good to remember that the Jedi in the movies are no longer the Jedi of old. They are decadent, too sure of themselves, Yoda make's a few remarks about that in the movies. After a 1000 years a lot of techniques and teachings have been lost to them due to lack of use and the fact that they refuse to evolve their believes. This would give a serious advantage to a Sith master and his apprentice. A thousand years without much of any challenges and enemies will make anyone lose their edge and that is where the Jedi are in the prequels. Yoda known's it, Qui Gon knew it as well. It's always been my believe that Darth Sidious created Anakin, there is a few hints here in there in the movies. The clone army was ordered by Sifo-Dyas, it's never too clear if he was Dooku or not but in the movie Obiwan is saying he was dead for 10 years, so I doubt he could confuse Dooku and Sifo-Dyas, it's probably that Sifo-Dyas was a older Jedi that was influence by Darth Sidious to order the clones. Last edited by P@t_Mtl; 11-09-2009 at 04:59 PM.

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11-09-2009, 03:47 PM	#23
kevind Member Member since:May 2009	The Books by Timothy Zahn that make up the Thrawn Trilogy are: Heir To the Empire Dark Force Rising The Last Command The Best Star Wars IMO

11-09-2009, 03:48 PM	#24
kevind Member Member since:May 2009	I ment to say the best SW Books

11-09-2009, 04:19 PM	#26
Sponge-worthy Blu-ray Guru Member since:Apr 2009 Location:Southwest, USA PSN: Sponge-worthy Blu-ray collection:43	Interesting question about the prequels: kinda like looking a block of swiss cheese and disproprotionately wondering why one particular hole exists. Answer: The Jedi didn't know about the Order for the same reason they could not discover, detect, sense, etc. that Palpatine was the Sith lord. Even though throughout the series, Jedi seem rather adept at 'feeling' the Force in anybody they happen to encounter, Lucas had to neuter their powers so that the Jedi council could actually be co-opted by a poorly crafted story and Hayden Christensen.

11-09-2009, 04:26 PM	#27
P@t_Mtl Blu-ray Duke Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Montreal Home Theater Gallery:4 Blu-ray collection:452 DVD collection:513 Trading Score:3	New record for a Star Wars thread, 25 posts before we got our first "prequels are bad" post Usualy happen's in the first 5 posts

11-09-2009, 04:28 PM	#28
GeneD5 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2008 4K collection:244 Blu-ray collection:246 Trading Score:168	Here's some info to add to the conversation: http://www.starwars.com/databank/cha...ous/index.html AFTER Darth Maul was killed, Sidious brought Dooku on board, and that is when the clone army was ordered. This databank is awesome..

11-09-2009, 05:11 PM	#36
Elbie Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2008 Blu-ray collection:27 Trading Score:11	Thanks for all that answered my questions. A lot more info added to this thread as well.

11-09-2009, 05:26 PM	#38
thePhoenix Power Member Member since:Aug 2009 Location:Believeland Home Theater Gallery:7 Blu-ray collection:106 Trading Score:11	He should at least make Shadows of the Empire!

11-09-2009, 05:34 PM	#39
aramis109 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Milwaukee, WI Home Theater Gallery:10 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:360 Trading Score:18	Would be interested in reading some more of this "Palpatine created Anakin" bit if folks have links. First I've heard of it.

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