Thank you FOX - you saved me a lot of money

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by blurip

well i have to admit i had been supporting HD DVD at this point mainly due to price of the hardware, I was waiting for prices of Bluray drives to come down so i can support both formats. right now i use the X BOX 360 drive to play the HD DVD movies on my computer, i have purchased many HD DVDS and i backup the movies i own on my computer and play them from the HDD "i will not buy a disk i cant back up! ", which leads me to this, i was ready to jump in to Blu ray now that the prices have been coming down, but now that FOX is using BD + ( an anti consumer move) imo you want to make these new formats as consumer friendly as you can, not making it more difficult and i cant be supporting a format that i cant backup and that i dont have to worry whether or not my equipment will play back new movies. I really wanted to support Blu Ray but while i was waiting for the prices to come down i did get alot of negitive vibes about Blu Ray but not anything that would have stopped me from supporting them, up until now so once again thank you FOX you saved me alot of money, i buy alot of movies but they wont be Blu Ray's when will they learn its not HD DVD vs BLU RAY, but HD & Blu vs SD DVD

So, because Fox won't currently let you (Managed Copy is supposed to be coming) copy the discs, you don't want Disney, Sony, or Lionsgate films either?

Enjoy those consumer friendly New Line titles.

Gary

[mystiksuicide]

Hey moderator can't you just throw this troll out? Come on read his first post it's obvious he is a Half Dead DUD supporter. (Oh since your new that translates to HD DVD)

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by blurip

well i have to admit i had been supporting HD DVD at this point mainly due to price of the hardware, I was waiting for prices of Bluray drives to come down so i can support both formats. right now i use the X BOX 360 drive to play the HD DVD movies on my computer, i have purchased many HD DVDS and i backup the movies i own on my computer and play them from the HDD "i will not buy a disk i cant back up! ", which leads me to this, i was ready to jump in to Blu ray now that the prices have been coming down, but now that FOX is using BD + ( an anti consumer move) imo you want to make these new formats as consumer friendly as you can, not making it more difficult and i cant be supporting a format that i cant backup and that i dont have to worry whether or not my equipment will play back new movies. I really wanted to support Blu Ray but while i was waiting for the prices to come down i did get alot of negitive vibes about Blu Ray but not anything that would have stopped me from supporting them, up until now so once again thank you FOX you saved me alot of money, i buy alot of movies but they wont be Blu Ray's when will they learn its not HD DVD vs BLU RAY, but HD & Blu vs SD DVD

so many trolls.

[Therickus]

Originally Posted by blurip

this was what i was talking about when i said i was getting alot of negitive vibes from BLU RAY its just a movie format people, lets put that into perspective, i was just saying that its hard to adopt a format when they make it so hard to do so

I mean....adopting a format really isn't that hard. Here is how I went about the process. I bought a PS3 for it's ability to play Blu-ray. Then, I know it sounds crazy, but I started buying movies. Funny thing is, I enjoyed those movies so much, I continued to buy more. Now I have a collection of about 60 spectacular movies. I mean, you don't have to do it like that exactly, but thats one way.

[Therickus]

Laughing at HD DVD trolls is officially my favorite thing to do, besides watch my BDs that is.

[atomik kinder]

How is this anti consumer? The only right you have when purchasing a movie is to watch it, not copy it. Saving money? You are probably renting HD DVDs and ripping them. I'm sure Universal, Paramount/Dreamworks and Warner Bros. loves you for that. You will probably be even happier when Disney and Sony start using BD+ too.

[Cyorg]

Originally Posted by blurip

I Back up only movies I own!

Well not everyone is as honest and trustworthy as you. Assuming that you actually only copy movies that you purchased legally, that doesn't mean that the other 99.999% of people interested in copying movies will do the same.

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by Therickus

Laughing at HD DVD trolls is officially my favorite thing to do, besides watch my BDs that is.

Of course look at his name too. Blurip, cause he can't rip BDs. Too bad.

[sj001]

I can't see any reason why someone would have such a huge problem with BD+... if you want the movie, buy it. Why would you need to back it up? The discs are certainly a hell of a lot more durable than DVDs.

[Hayashi]

The real question should be why are you buying HD movies to watch it on your computer? wouldn't it be the same to buy cheaper DVDs and watch it on your computer? lol

[jhansla]

I find it funny how "backup" has now become another word for steal.

To the OP did you expect people to agree with you? LOL this is a blu ray forum....people on here support blu ray. Your post is just to wind people up, taking a shot at one of the blu ray exclusive studios is not gonna sit well with blu ray fans

[ToonyLoons]

I don't understand how BD+ is "an anti consumer move." BD+ does not prevent anyone from legally purchasing or renting a movie or watching it.

[Xerious]

your justification for making illegal copies is hilarious. don't you ever read the opening screens of movies? they strictly do not want you to copy discs for personal or monitary gain what so ever. i'm glad the BDA has a stronger encryption than hd dud... the faster those movies get pirated, the more likely it is those studios wise up and jump off that sinking wreck of a format. it doen't matter though, i appreciate your kind... you make the dud look less and less viable.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by blurip

this was what i was talking about when i said i was getting alot of negitive vibes from BLU RAY its just a movie format people, lets put that into perspective, i was just saying that its hard to adopt a format when they make it so hard to do so

There is NOTHING about HD DVD that inherently pro-consumer for disc copying, since right now you're violating the law by copying discs. That you can do it isn't a design choice for HD DVD, it's a failure of the protection system.

AACS was supposed to have Managed Copy which would legitimize and control the copying of discs for media servers and portable use.

The problem is, AACS has been stuck at v0.9 since launch, and the final full version 1.0, which is supposed to allow Managed Copy, has slipped and slipped and slipped. The inability for everyone to finalize AACS is the anti-consumer move here.

Gary

[sj001]

Even with a server with several 1TB hard drives, why would you want to serve them out? Because you can't get up and put the disc in the drive? I mean come on, the only reason I can see from my standpoint, is to create an FTP (or whatever) site so people can download the movies. I mean does anyone actually know anyone who really backs up their movies?!!?

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Managed Copy, has slipped and slipped and slipped.

Kind of like HD DVD sales!

[Luis_A51]

Theres no reason why you should need to make copies of blurays. They have a hard coating. They are very very durable. BD+ is anti pirate, not anti consumer. Copying movies to your HDD before watching them is the silliest thing ive ever heard.

Obvious troll.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by blurip

I Back up only movies I own! , i back up movies because i like being able to use my computer as a server that is not pirating

Sony has a blu-ray server coming out. Problem solved.

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Call off the dogs there buddy. Blurip is on notice right now, but he hasn't started any trouble yet. Let him prove what worth he has.

i agree with you. the way i see it, you should be open to minded to both camps. although, yes continue supporting BD, but try to see why some other people like/prefer HDDVD.

i still don't understand, so you like HDDVDS because you can rip'em and save it on the HDD. why would you want to do that? this is the first i run into someone that likes HDDVDs because of this reason. if you said you like it because of Hi Def presentation, then i would have said, you don't know what you are missing with what BD has to offer.

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by Jim L

And no, you do not have the right to rip (and burn = steal) so you can play them from "back-up" copies.

If you own a copy of the movie. You are legally entitled to make a back-up copy for your own personal uses. It is not theft because there is no loss in the process. You are only protecting what you bought by making a copy of it in case something happens to the original copy.

If you think otherwise, then you should stop watching movies whenever your friends or family members are in your presence because the movie studios aren't making any money off them. The sames applies to lending movies.

Sounds ridiculous? Well, that's because it is!

The only thing in process of making a back-up copy that is "illegal" is that you are breaking the law by decrypting a encrypted property.

What I'm saying is, consumers shouldn't be held accountable for making backup copies of the movies they bought. It's the thieves who re-distribute movies to the public without authorization that should be held accountable because they are the ones who are taking the profits away from the movie studios.

When you buy a movie, you automatically agree that you will use it for privates uses only meaning you will play it in your household or other private households, nowhere else. Not even in a school classroom which is considered a copyright infringement.

It's only the encryption that is illegal to break through. So it's a gray area for the consumers. The encryption is meant to prevent piracy. There's a difference between piracy and back-ups.