Blu-ray still my fav! But how many of us are "dual" now?

[KidOmega123]

The only real argument I keep hearing from people who have gone neutral is that they're "movie lovers" that have to have their favorite movies NOW.

Becaue they live in the NOW and succumb to the thralls of instant gratification. They had to have Transformers NOW, They had to have Batman Begins NOW. You know what? I saw Batman Begins three times while it was in the theatres. I saw it again several times on DVD. And several times again on cable television. I'm pretty sure I can wait awhile until it finally comes to Blu Ray. It's not like I'm gonna curl up and die if I dont get my way NOW.

And you know what? when it DOES come to Blu Ray (and mark my words, it will), it'll be an even better release than it's HD DVD counterpart. Patience is a virtue. It reaps awesome rewards.

And here's something else to think about......you know all those lovely catalogue titles that we all want so badly?

Jurassic Park
Aliens
Star Wars
Indiana Jones
Lord of the Rings
etc, etc, etc.

They're not coming anytime soon. You wanna know why? Because those filmakers are waiting until there's a clear indication of which format will be around for the long haul. So you may THINK that having both formats is nothing but beneficial to you. But you are wrong because:

A) You're buying into inferior technology

B) You're your robbing yourself (and everybody else, for that matter) of the things we really want ( *chough* Star Wars *cough*).

So enjoy your Transformers with compressed audio. I think I'll wait for the real thing.....KTHANKBYE

[Ispoke]

Originally Posted by KidOmega123

The only real argument I keep hearing from people who have gone neutral is that they're "movie lovers" that have to have their favorite movies NOW.

Becaue they live in the NOW and succumb to the thralls of instant gratification. They had to have Transformers NOW, They had to have Batman Begins NOW. You know what? I saw Batman Begins three times while it was in the theatres. I saw it again several times on DVD. And several times again on cable television. I'm pretty sure I can wait awhile until it finally comes to Blu Ray. It's not like I'm gonna curl up and die if I dont get my way NOW.

And you know what? when it DOES come to Blu Ray (and mark my words, it will), it'll be an even better release than it's HD DVD counterpart. Patience is a virtue. It reaps awesome rewards.

And here's something else to think about......you know all those lovely catalogue titles that we all want so badly?

Jurassic Park
Aliens
Star Wars
Indiana Jones
Lord of the Rings
etc, etc, etc.

They're not coming anytime soon. You wanna know why? Because those filmakers are waiting until there's a clear indication of which format will be around for the long haul. So you may THINK that having both formats is nothing but beneficial to you. But you are wrong because:

A) You're buying into inferior technology

B) You're your robbing yourself (and everybody else, for that matter) of the things we really want ( *chough* Star Wars *cough*).

So enjoy your Transformers with compressed audio. I think I'll wait for the real thing.....KTHANKBYE

Repeated for truth. Agree 100%

[KidOmega123]

Originally Posted by MasterXeus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll



Doesn't sound like a troll to me.

OP - it was a tempting offer, but Combo Player is the only way I would have HD-DVD Player. The price of these combo players are so high, I'll just stick with Blu-ray. I see 2008 as the down fall of one of the HD Formats; I'm guessing it will be HD-DVD.

He may not have been an "internet troll" by your definition.

BUT....I do get the since that the influx of people (mostly new members) coming on this BLU-RAY website and posting about how these $99 dollar HD DVD players are the best bargains ever and everyone should "go neutral", are simply HD DVD supporters trying to stir up some sort of response.

And sure you could argue freedom of speech. These are just opinions.

However, it seems like trollish behavior to me.....and I question the authenticity of what's being said greatly.

[MasterXeus]

Originally Posted by Blu-Light

These "trolls" or DUD supporters or what ever you want to call them are trying to stir up trouble and/or support for their terrible format of choice.

I don't know, reading the rest of ScottSoBlu post, It doesn't really sound like a troll or stirring up support for HD-DVD. Sounds more like someone who thought $98 was a good deal for a HD-DVD player and was wondering if anyone else went dual too.

[MasterXeus]

Originally Posted by KidOmega123

He may not have been an "internet troll" by your definition.

BUT....I do get the since that the influx of people (mostly new members) coming on this BLU-RAY website and posting about how these $99 dollar HD DVD players are the best bargains ever and everyone should "go neutral", are simply HD DVD supporters trying to stir up some sort of response.

And sure you could argue freedom of speech. These are just opinions.

However, it seems like trollish behavior to me.....and I question the authenticity of what's being said greatly.

It's not my definition, it's from wikipedia.

Although I understand what you're saying, I just don't think (So far) this one is a troll.

$99 HD-DVD player may not sound like a good deal to you or me because we beleive HD-DVD is a dying format.

If a Blu-ray Player was on sale for $100 would you think that it was the best bargain ever? IF you answer yes, then why can't HD-DVD supporters say the same thing about their format? (They just don't know it's dying yet, or they refuse to see the light)

[monkyman]

Well ScottSoBlu, I guess you weren't
that blu after all.

[jnm422]

The only benefit I could possibly see is that if I bought one, and NEVER bought any movies, that's one less player for someone that would buy a movie.

In other words, take one for the team.

[KidOmega123]

Originally Posted by MasterXeus

It's not my definition, it's from wikipedia.

Although I understand what you're saying, I just don't think (So far) this one is a troll.

$99 HD-DVD player may not sound like a good deal to you or me because we beleive HD-DVD is a dying format.

If a Blu-ray Player was on sale for $100 would you think that it was the best bargain ever? IF you answer yes, then why can't HD-DVD supporters say the same thing about their format? (They just don't know it's dying yet, or they refuse to see the light)

Well, perhaps I was hasty in labling Scottsoblu a troll. He was, infact, just stating his opinions. It was a knee jerk reaction to all of the obvious HD DVD supporters who come on here and spread fud. If he wants to support HD DVD, more power to him. However, I stand by my sentiments 110%

[KidOmega123]

Originally Posted by jnm422

The only benefit I could possibly see is that if I bought one, and NEVER bought any movies, that's one less player for someone that would buy a movie.

In other words, take one for the team.

I'm not exactly sure what you meant by this, but right on......I think....LOL

[JToddler]

Blu-ray all the way!!!!

[foots]

Originally Posted by KidOmega123

The only real argument I keep hearing from people who have gone neutral is that they're "movie lovers" that have to have their favorite movies NOW.

Becaue they live in the NOW and succumb to the thralls of instant gratification. They had to have Transformers NOW, They had to have Batman Begins NOW. You know what? I saw Batman Begins three times while it was in the theatres. I saw it again several times on DVD. And several times again on cable television. I'm pretty sure I can wait awhile until it finally comes to Blu Ray. It's not like I'm gonna curl up and die if I dont get my way NOW.

And you know what? when it DOES come to Blu Ray (and mark my words, it will), it'll be an even better release than it's HD DVD counterpart. Patience is a virtue. It reaps awesome rewards.

And here's something else to think about......you know all those lovely catalogue titles that we all want so badly?

Jurassic Park
Aliens
Star Wars
Indiana Jones
Lord of the Rings
etc, etc, etc.

They're not coming anytime soon. You wanna know why? Because those filmakers are waiting until there's a clear indication of which format will be around for the long haul. So you may THINK that having both formats is nothing but beneficial to you. But you are wrong because:

A) You're buying into inferior technology

B) You're your robbing yourself (and everybody else, for that matter) of the things we really want ( *chough* Star Wars *cough*).

So enjoy your Transformers with compressed audio. I think I'll wait for the real thing.....KTHANKBYE

At least there are a few people out there who get it. Consumers hold all the power but give it all away by having ZERO SELF CONTROL. Therefore they fall prey to perceived value in a second player that should not be necessary at all.

I don't care how happy you are with being neutral the ideal isn't to have two formats. If people accept two formats there is nothing to prevent each studio from trying to have its own proprietary format the next time around. Sounds crazy huh? There will be people who buy into it though so they can be called a movie lover and an enthusiast.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by KidOmega123

Well, perhaps I was hasty in labling Scottsoblu a troll. He was, infact, just stating his opinions. It was a knee jerk reaction to all of the obvious HD DVD supporters who come on here and spread fud. If he wants to support HD DVD, more power to him. However, I stand by my sentiments 110%

My personal opinion is this:

I respect those who stand by Blu exclusive. I think those who stay HDDVD exclusive though given the lack of studio support there are either: naive, agenda driven and or just outright format fanboys and not movie lovers.

As for those that already have Blu and Buy HDDVD at these ridiculously low prices, I can't blame em (myself included ).

In the end, the A2 makes a great bedroom DVD player, keeps wear off your BD player for that purpose...you get 5-9 free Flicks, you have the ability to buy the stray exclusive release on HDDUD and or you can now pick up those titles used (hopefully) or just rent them.

I think many BD supporters should be glad BD supporters are buying these and not folks new to all this.

As for people throwing around the term "Neutral" just because you own players by both formats doesn't make you "Neutral" I am very Pro BD and reccomend it over HDDVD to EVERYONE! I Buy Blu everytime over HDDVD when given a choice in content, argue for it, etc.

But dag nabbit I love High def and Movies first.

[Teazle]

Reading all this about people going / being tempted to go "neutral" ... As far as I can see HD-DVD has done enough damage already just by reducing the standards of certain encodes across the boards. I wouldn't want to encourage them further by buying a $99 or even a $49 player.

Yesterday I watched Superman: The Movie -- not one of the better VC-1 encodes. Much worse the audio. I'd been so psyched to hear that classic John Williams score cranked for the first time in years. But the swooshing opening titles roll and ... oh no, what an insipid, washed-out mp3-grade rendition of what should have been an absolutely grand soundtrack.

Occasionally on a BD you get a decent-sounding lossy track (the DTS on We Were Soldiers comes to mind as something pretty kick-ass) but this 640kbps Dolby affair totally belies the original score. I would go so far as to say the music is nearly ruined by lossy compression. If there's one film that screams out simply for a good lossless stereo track this is it.

Apart from Warner I directly fault the existence of HD-DVD for this and other egregious compromises on quality. The limitations of that format are (as in the case of Superman) holding back too many Blu-ray releases. As for people who excuse their support of HD-DVD by saying they "just love the movies" or "just love high def" -- I don't know what they're on about. In fact they seem to prefer movies in "medium-high def".

[radagast]

Originally Posted by ScottSoBlu

Please don't get me wrong - I still prefer Blu-Ray.

But for $99, I felt it was worth having an HD player just for the odd HD film. I know it probably won't last a month, as it can't be as well built as my Samsung BD player. It's just to play the odd film that I've been hankering after.

I can't believe I'm the only one that has picked one up, though. Has anyone else done the same?

Not now.
Not ever.
Never.

[What'sHD]

A little restraint now would hopefully go a long way to bringing about the end for hd-dvd.

If the BD early adopters start buying hd-dvd players cos they are cheap, well... I understand the attraction but I Really hope it does not lead to consequences in the format war (we know Warner is watching the Q4 sales).

If, for some reason related to lots of cheap player sales, they go HD-dvd exclusive in Jan instead of BD exclusive, it would be mighty sad and would punish exactly those who believe in BD the most.


My perspective is that dual format is untenable and hd-dvd winning is just horrendous. BD lovers who want to buy hd-dvd players on the presumption that BD will win anyways (due to supporters who stay BD-only) are adding weight to a minor but real risk of hd-dvd surviving for good.

2c

[BlueRayFanBoy]

Me, I am sick of this format war.
I wanna just watch movies. In the begining I was completely one sided Blu all the way, but there are titles that I want on HD-DVD as well. I almost bought one of the $98 A2's at Wallyworld the other day. My tv is 1080p, so I was going to just let the tv do the conversion to 1080p.
Anyway, I would love to see these movie studios waive this exclusive crap and go neutral for both sides and just let Sony and Toshiba battle it out.

[John Rider]

Originally Posted by BlueRayFanBoy

Me, I am sick of this format war.
I wanna just watch movies. In the begining I was completely one sided Blu all the way, but there are titles that I want on HD-DVD as well. I almost bought one of the $98 A2's at Wallyworld the other day. My tv is 1080p, so I was going to just let the tv do the conversion to 1080p.
Anyway, I would love to see these movie studios waive this exclusive crap and go neutral for both sides and just let Sony and Toshiba battle it out.

Agree 100%

[tqlla]

Originally Posted by KidOmega123

The only real argument I keep hearing from people who have gone neutral is that they're "movie lovers" that have to have their favorite movies NOW.

The only reason I am neutral is because I cant resist good deals. I could have easily passed on the $99 deal.. since that didnt seem like a great deal at all. However, the Mistake at best buy where they gave 3 box sets away with the Xbox add on+KONG+Media remote+ 5 Free movies... was too much to resist. Literally, for less than the cost of the SDDVDs alone, I got HDDVDs and a player.

I ended up with

Heroes HDDVD
Matrix Ultimate HDDVD
Smallville S6(i am going to see if I can exhange thise for BD)
HDDVD addon +KONG +Remote +5 free movies
-----
$180
-$125 for KONG, HDDVD addon, remote, 5 free movies(craigslist)
+$100 for HD-A2 with 5 free movies MIR
= $155 for Matrix Ultimate, Heroes, Smallville, 5 free movies and a standalone.

Really, its worth it just for the movies. Pass on Transformers. I wont buy any other HDDVDs unless Iron Man is awesome. They literally threw it at me, I couldnt resist. I am ashamed . The $99 HDDVD deal, I could ahve passed on... but price mistakes are hard for me to pass up.

[tqlla]

I also tried to right a bad review of the HD-A2 at wal mart. (because it didnt work out of the box, network set up was clumsy, the lack of messages when updating the firmware, and the long amount of time it took to update, 45 minutes)

The review never showed up. In fact there hasnt been a new review on the A2 since Oct 22? You would think a lot of people would have written reviews by now

[AquaticGoat]

Originally Posted by KidOmega123

Troll, troll, troll......what's with all these new members making posts about their decisions to go out and buy a HD DVD player claiming "neutrality".

This isn't about "brand loyalty" folks. None of us are getting paid for the purchases we make. HOWEVER. By supporting both brands you are single handedly prolonging this war. The market can only support one format, and that format will not be chosen as long as you continue to spend recklessly.

Instead you make glutenous decisions claiming you HAVE to have every single movie you want. If you would practice a little patience then a movie like "Batman Begins" will be release on Blu Ray once Warner sees the continued dominance of the brand.

I you LOVE the releases on HD DVD so much...then go support that brand exclusivley and leave the Blu Rays to us. Just know that those discs you covet so greatly will turn out to be nothing more than expensive drink coasters.

This is silly. if you want a movie that is on another format, buy it and don't feel bad about it. The war will end soon (and we all know who will win) and in the mean time, those of us who arent blindly loyal for no apperant reason will enjoy movies that those others cannot.

I love MOVIES! i don't care what kind of disc its on, as long as it looks good on my TV.