Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by spa

It may have been mentioned in this thread (I didn't go back to read every post), but I read that if Lucas releases the original trilogy he has to give big royalties to his ex-wife. But if it's altered then he does not (or pays alot less). So this may have been a factor in his releases, and one reason for altering the original.

That turned out to be an urban legend. (Putting the words "bonus disc" on the label wouldn't hold up in any settlement)

[Turnda643]

Originally Posted by madridista8700

I call this "Faces 2010":

WOW!! Awesome concepts. Hope someone at Fox see's those. and since some are adding their input to your work. I'll throw in my 2 cents also. I think Vader should be on the ESB cover. And the original 1977 SW cover should be for SW. I think in the same light texture and fade you have done these covers that would be totally awesome. But, like I first stated. Your work is already pretty damn hott already!!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Smooth Criminal

It honestly doesn't just sound louder than DD to me - different sounds leap out over others - it's punchier and the balance is different. I do know where the volume button on my amp is - I really wish that was the solution to enhancing DD to DTS!

At different volumes different frequencies sound different, particularly treble.

As I said, DD @448kbps is a more accurate representation of the orignal master than DTS @754kbps.

[Turnda643]

This is one franchise that I think might see an Ultimate Set right out the box. (no pun intended) Lucas, as well as everyone that has anything to do with it, knows we, the consumer want evrything we can get our hands on and are willing to drop $200 easy to have it. So I for one will not be surprised when an Ultimate Set comes out at that price. $65 for LotR? I'll gladly hand over 2 bills for The Ultimate Star Wars Saga Set on Blu-ray.

[Smooth Criminal]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

At different volumes different frequencies sound different, particularly treble.

As I said, DD @448kbps is a more accurate representation of the orignal master than DTS @754kbps.

That's an interesting and technical perspective. Are you some kind of sound engineer? You certainly seem to have a strong opinion on this but, personally, to my ears DTS has just always sounded significantly better even when I account for the volume difference. Especially on multi-layered action or sci-fi soundtracks. On my system anyway. I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way. .

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by al cos.

That turned out to be an urban legend. (Putting the words "bonus disc" on the label wouldn't hold up in any settlement)

Exactly!

I can not imagine that any divorce lawyer would let ANYBODY get away with something so obvious as that.

I always thought that it was an urban legend.

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[The Don]

Originally Posted by madridista8700

I call this "Faces 2010":

put Luke on the cover of A New Hope and Vader on The Empire Strikes Back

[DefTechPioElite]

Originally Posted by Smooth Criminal

That's an interesting and technical perspective. Are you some kind of sound engineer? You certainly seem to have a strong opinion on this but, personally, to my ears DTS has just always sounded significantly better even when I account for the volume difference. Especially on multi-layered action or sci-fi soundtracks. On my system anyway. I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way. .

Sound is just like video, the quality that goes into the compression everything. I'm not saying DD is ALWAYS better than DTS but, that's like saying that no MPEG2 compression has ever been good and is never as good as AVC. I know this is apples and oranges I'm just using it as an example.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

TPM and AOTC just a C and C-, while ROTJ gets an A+???

ROTJ isn't half as good as either of those, and I don't dislike the Ewoks at all.

Wow! The poll has a higher rating for TPM than AOTC!?!?

Am I the one of the very few who loves AOTC?????

And I didn't even vote it here!

I don't even pay attention to the Ewok battle because it was rather awful except for the AT-ST Walkers. The conflict between Palpatine, Vader, and Luke along with hundreds of TIE fighters and Star Destroyers made my day. It was also the first Star Wars film I saw as a child so for me it's more of a nostalgia explanation.

[bpmford]

Agreed, sweet concepts!!!

Nice!!!

Reminds me of the Star Trek ones with the faded faces, now they just have to be shiny!!!

Originally Posted by madridista8700

I call this "Faces 2010":

[Goldensuitcase]

I find it very interesting that the people who did prefer the newer Star Wars over the classics are in fact pretty young and basically grew up watching those as opposed to when most here grew up watching the others.

Is it really a generation thing? I've tried watching the 1-3 many times as they are on Spike all the time, but I just can't begin to really like any of the characters in there. Especially when compared to the actors in 4-6. To me, the acting alone sets 4-6 apart in a large way.

[bpmford]

There really is a generation gap between the two trilogies, and I'm sue they will always be seen as separate trilogies instead of a complete saga!

It's sad!!!

Originally Posted by Goldensuitcase

I find it very interesting that the people who did prefer the newer Star Wars over the classics are in fact pretty young and basically grew up watching those as opposed to when most here grew up watching the others.

Is it really a generation thing? I've tried watching the 1-3 many times as they are on Spike all the time, but I just can't begin to really like any of the characters in there. Especially when compared to the actors in 4-6. To me, the acting alone sets 4-6 apart in a large way.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by Goldensuitcase

I find it very interesting that the people who did prefer the newer Star Wars over the classics are in fact pretty young and basically grew up watching those as opposed to when most here grew up watching the others.

Is it really a generation thing? I've tried watching the 1-3 many times as they are on Spike all the time, but I just can't begin to really like any of the characters in there. Especially when compared to the actors in 4-6. To me, the acting alone sets 4-6 apart in a large way.

I am only 23 and like 4-6 much more but i also like the episodes. My ratings as would go.

The Phantom Menace B
Attack of the Clones B+
Revenge of the Sith A
A New Hope A
Empire Stricks Back A+
Return of the Jedi A+

Like you said i kind of grew up more on the newer one because i was only 12 when Phantom Menace came out. When i saw it in theaters i thought it was a A+++ type film but i saw the original trilogy shortly after and it became my least favorite overall( but i still love it).

[phatrat1982]

Well I am kinda torn, I mean I am only 27, not old enough to have been around for the original release but old enough to remember the hype around the movies when I was very young. But I do remember vividly always being a huge fan, buying the toys, books, cards, comics, everything I could get my hands on, and the other kids at school all made fun of me because to them Star Wars was "old' already. This was the late 80's, early 90's when I was in grade school.


Then all of a sudden, and I mean all of a sudden here comes the Special Edition and now EVERYONE is a fan even those who talked trash on them. Then the younger generation started getting into them. My youngest sister, born in 89, came along after the hype had died down and so when Episode I came out she got into that because, you are not going to believe this, she loved Jar Jar Binks! Her husband, who is a year younger than she is, can't stand the originals but he likes the new ones a lot, but he is also one of those that think the Lord of the Rings is the greatest trilogy ever and can't stand Star Wars cuz it's too "geeky" he thinks. yeah a guy who has 3 WoW accounts thinks Star Wars is geeky. go figure.


So yeah I think it is a generation gap. But I think it also depends on how you present the movies to the kids. Like my nephew is only 7 and he watched Episode 3 in theaters, the first one he ever watched, and his favorite of them all is the first original "Episode 4" if you will, and no I don't mean the SE, his mom is anti-DVD (and BR) and only lets them watch movies on VHS so that is what they have the originals on VHS.

Then there is this 8 year old we used to babysit, her favorite, like mine, is Empire Strikes Back, and she saw the last 2 in theaters. And loves them all but the coolest part about her is she was scared of frogs and she hates Jar Jar cuz she says he is a scary and stupid frog. But when I was watching her I made sure I explained over and over how much better the originals were and her parents also were huge fans so it was pretty easy to brain wash, I mean educate her.


But my other nephew, the one who is barely 3, he HATES everything about Star Wars already.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Smooth Criminal

That's an interesting and technical perspective. Are you some kind of sound engineer? You certainly seem to have a strong opinion on this but, personally, to my ears DTS has just always sounded significantly better even when I account for the volume difference. Especially on multi-layered action or sci-fi soundtracks. On my system anyway. I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way. .

I have a lot of techinical experience in the field, but I'm not a sound engineer. But sound engineers will tell you the same thing. They are 2 different codecs, and in blind tests with the same material even experts have difficulty distingushing between the two.

http://www.hemagazine.com/node/Dolby...compressed_PCM

Note that high-res lossless TrueHD/DTS-MA and PCM have identical performance. Because lossless is lossless. However TrueHD does offer compatibility advantages for more types of setups (you'd be surprised how many people have their BD players hooked directly to the TV or home theaters that don't support DTS, as well as PC setups).

Star Wars put Dolby Stereo on the map. Dolby EX was introduced with Phantom Menace when LucasFilm's then THX division sought to improve the sound imaging in theaters.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Smooth Criminal

I love ALL the Star Wars movies. I'm dying for the Blu-rays, especially as the dvds aren't fully up to scratch - no DTS etc...

My favourites are as follows:

1. Revenge Of The Sith
2. Return Of The Jedi
3. Attack Of The Clones
4. Empire Strikes Back
5. A New Hope
6. The Phantom Menace

George Lucas is a Hero. He needs to get a move on with these Blu-rays though and make damn sure they deliver!

Of course the official film posters are unbeatable but the 'Faces 2010' covers look great - far nicer than the dvd artwork.

That's an interesting rating you have there.

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

"A New Hope" should be the BIG lettering....thats the actual title.

That's what I thought too.

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I don't even pay attention to the Ewok battle because it was rather awful except for the AT-ST Walkers. The conflict between Palpatine, Vader, and Luke along with hundreds of TIE fighters and Star Destroyers made my day. It was also the first Star Wars film I saw as a child so for me it's more of a nostalgia explanation.

I can understand that. I remember playing with ROTJ toys with a friend who had loads of SW toys. I hadn't even seen them, so I only knew them from toys, didn't even know there were movies up until as late as the SE or so.

That's when I become a huge fan, and couldn't wait to see the Prequels!

I love them all, but the Prequels are more complete, because the vision is much richer and grander.
Still they all have something about them!

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Johnothan Pedak

Transformers I and II are superior to the prequels in every way.

Hm, now I know how seriously I can take your opinions.

[bpmford]

I can't believe there is still an anti-DVD person out there, that's so weird to hear!

Originally Posted by phatrat1982

So yeah I think it is a generation gap. But I think it also depends on how you present the movies to the kids. Like my nephew is only 7 and he watched Episode 3 in theaters, the first one he ever watched, and his favorite of them all is the first original "Episode 4" if you will, and no I don't mean the SE, his mom is anti-DVD (and BR) and only lets them watch movies on VHS so that is what they have the originals on VHS.

I do get your points tho, there is a gap, but there will always be new followers of the original trilogy!

[aiman04]

My rating:

The Phantom Menace - 77%
Attack of the Clones - 75%
Revenge of the Sith - 88%
A New Hope - 90%
The Empire Strikes Back - 99%
Return of the Jedi - 85%

I was born 5 weeks after A New Hope.

[Jumpman]

Personal preference:

Episode IV A New Hope
Episode III Revenge of the Sith
Episode II Attack of the Clones
Episode V The Empire Strikes Back
Episode VI Return of the Jedi
Episode I The Phantom Menace (and not because it's bad...)

And yes, there is a generational gap...that was inevitable. Given that, I'm 31 and still prefer 95% of the Special Edition changes compared to the original theatrical cuts...go figure. I'm a weird Star Wars fan.