Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

I doubt it. Considering the violence in Revenge of the Sith. Or hell, even AotCs. I really really doubt it.

[Grim Reaper]

voted for The Ultimate Box Set...

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Beast

I frankly don't care what the NFR has to say on the matter.

That's fine. Most of us don't really care what you have to say on the matter, either.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by Beast

No. There's no "okay" when it comes to illegal fan edits and bootlegs.

Thinking it's okay in any way, shape, or form to download any kind of bootleg is frankly astonishing.

They're not showing their love of the film. They're butchering a film without the approval or consent of the creator.

And it's amusing that it's the same people crying because Lucas, the creator, dares to change his own films.

Fan edits fall under fair use. Lucasfilm would've taken down all of them a long time ago, if it was really illegal.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Grim Reaper

voted for The Ultimate Box Set...

me to but isn't he only releasing the special edition versions because he said he could not remaster the unaltered original trilogy?

[binarymelon]

Originally Posted by Beast

But they do share. You can download illegal fan edits if you know where to look for them.

As long as you own the source material than downloading the edit is not illegal.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Fan edits fall under fair use. Lucasfilm would've taken down all of them a long time ago, if it was really illegal.

No, it doesn't fall under fair use. You can't chop up a movie and distribute it. That's just a ridiculous argument.

[halda]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Fan edits fall under fair use. Lucasfilm would've taken down all of them a long time ago, if it was really illegal.

Beast is right. Technically it is illegal, even though The Phantom Editor (Mike something) didn't sell his revised versions of either film. It's illegal to modify and distribute, but apparently not possess.

And at first Lucasfilm seemed to go along with it, pretty much looking the other way since no profit was being made of Lucasfilm's property. But I believe they have now said they don't approve, but have come short of pursuing legal redress.

The Phantom Editor issues an apology to Lucasfilm

I can understand where the guy is coming from. He's a working film professional and didn't want to destroy his career. And obviously Lucasfilm is an 800 lb. gorilla in the industry.

But legality aside, his edits are vast improvements over the original films.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by halda

And at first Lucasfilm seemed to go along with it, pretty much looking the other way since no profit was being made of Lucasfilm's property. But I believe they have now said they don't approve, but have come short of pursuing legal redress.

The Phantom Editor issues an apology to Lucasfilm

I can understand where the guy is coming from. He's a working film professional and didn't want to destroy his career. And obviously Lucasfilm is an 800 lb. gorilla in the industry.

But legality aside, his edits are vast improvements over the original films.

That article was posted in July of 2001. That's over 9 years ago. There seem to be many more fan edits since then, so if Lucas has been going after these people since that time, he apparently hasn't been doing a very good job of it.

But the people who are actually downloading these fan edits are probably very, very few in the grand scheme of things. The DVDs sold a ton, the Blu-Rays will do the same, so this really isn't 'hurting' George Lucas from any kind of financial stand point.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

That article was posted in July of 2001. That's over 9 years ago. There seem to be many more fan edits since then, so if Lucas has been going after these people since that time, he apparently hasn't been doing a very good job of it.

But the people who are actually downloading these fan edits are probably very, very few in the grand scheme of things. The DVDs sold a ton, the Blu-Rays will do the same, so this really isn't 'hurting' George Lucas from any kind of financial stand point.

So it's ok if only a few people are doing it. Should we extend that thinking to illegal activities?

And it's even more okay if the person who's property is being effected is wealthy? Wow. Just Wow.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Beast

Which of course brings us to Revenge of the Sith...

The film Lucas didn't want to hold anything back on, and fully expected a harder rating. Hence the PG-13.

Also why it's probably the Star Wars film I have watched the least. Even though it's great. It's just strangely depressing to watch everyone die.

My dad feels the same way re: ROTS. He says it is too depressing seeing Padme die. He prefers AOTC or TPM. ROTS is my most watched though next to AOTC and ANH even though towards the end is heartbreaking. ROTS will no doubt be my most watched BD right next to AOTC, ANH, The Clone Wars Movie, and seasons 1 & 2 of TCW.

[halda]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

That article was posted in July of 2001. That's over 9 years ago. There seem to be many more fan edits since then, so if Lucas has been going after these people since that time, he apparently hasn't been doing a very good job of it.

Lucasfilm regards the as small fish, I'm guessing. Not worth the time/trouble to go after them. Still, they have stated they do not allow this, as the company's property rights are being violated. If someone was making money off the edits, I'm sure they would aggressively sue (and may have, I don't know).

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

But the people who are actually downloading these fan edits are probably very, very few in the grand scheme of things. The DVDs sold a ton, the Blu-Rays will do the same, so this really isn't 'hurting' George Lucas from any kind of financial stand point.

I'm not sure downloading the edits are illegal. I just know making them and distributing them are. If a person obtains the edited versions instead of paying for Lucasfilm's movies, then does impact their revenue.

Perhaps it's ethically acceptable to obtain an edit as long as you 1) don't distribute, and 2) already own a legitimate copy.

Now, does obtaining it encourage the law-breakers? Maybe. It begs the question, what's their incentive?

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Beast

So it's ok if only a few people are doing it. Should we extend that thinking to illegal activities?

And it's even more okay if the person who's property is being effected is wealthy? Wow. Just Wow.

I'm not saying that I support the fans edits (I've never seen or downloaded any of them). But at the end of the day, any "harm" that they are doing is little or non-existent.

But if we are going to go after these fan edits, what's next? People who take clips of movies and make a little music video or something and post it on youtube? Where does it end?

I am of the mind frame that as long as people are supporting the official product whenever possible, things like this are pretty much harmless.

I personally do not take issue with anyone who obtains a bootleg copy of a movie (during the time between theatrical and home video releases) that they've already paid to see at the theater and plan to buy on DVD or Blu-Ray.

I also don't have a problem with people who obtain bootleg DVD collections of TV Series that either haven't officially been released on DVD (and look like they never will be), or that have been released on DVD and have had major music changes, etc. I do think that they should buy the official release, but I have no issue with them doing what they can to get the original product.


The big reason why bootlegging is illegal in the first place and why some movie studios, etc, try to go after people for it is because they don't want to lose money as a result of people obtaining a bootleg and not paying for the official thing. But when people do pay for the official thing and just happen to do these other things as well, their main reason for going after them goes right out the window.

I'm not condoning illegal activities in general, but let's face it, the "law" isn't exactly flawless. In some states certain types of "bedroom activities" (trying to keep it clean for this site) between 2 consenting adults are still considered illegal. Do you feel that the law should be enforced right down to the finest detail over something like that? Because I'm sure A LOT more people are guilty of breaking those laws than are guilty as a result of distributing Star Wars fan edits. You seem to like to look at things from a very black and white point of view and refuse to even see the remote gray areas that exist, so I assume you would feel those people should be prosecuted.

It's not a matter of someone being rich either. I think breaking into someone's home and taking their things, for example, is terrible and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law in pretty much all circumstances.

But making slight changes to a movie and sharing it with a small subset of fans who are interested in seeing the edit, most if not all of whom have probably bought the movies in official form several times over, and the activities of which are doing pretty much nothing to jeopardize the future financial profitability of further official releases? It's not exactly something that seems remotely worthy of getting worried about. And I assume that George Lucas himself has probably more or less shrugged it off using pretty much the same logic, otherwise he would be doing A LOT more to shut down the sites that distribute the fan edits and go after the people responsible. He certainly has the money and power to do so.

[Oateyboat]

Regarding fan edits, yes, they seem harmless. Just fans adding things they like and subtracting things they don't, to try and improve it. I actually like the idea of fan editing, especially when you see a film you like but think, it could have a bit of this, or a bit less that. For example, Spider-Man 3, a film I want to love, could use a bit less jazz sequences and say a modulated Venom voice. I've not downloaded a fanedit as of yet, but I've seen a clip someone put online from there fanedit where this problem is addressed, and I liked it. However, the problem with fanediting doesn't realyfall on the edit itself, more the distribution. There's no possible way of telling if everyone who downloads this has the DVD / Blu-Ray, and, in the end, it is a slightly edited version of a movie, available for free on the internet. That becomes piracy to an extent. But you cannot charge people for these, as then it becomes even more of a legal matter. All in all, I believe the way it goes is distributing your fan edit online is a big no. Creating a personal fan edit, that's an ok. Downloading and owning a fan edit if you have the original film on DVD / Blu-Ray / UMD / VHS / Laserdisc, whatever. But the distribution is the massive no. I must also agree with Beast on the matter of the fans who say adding one shot before Han Solo fires from a basically irrelevant character in your own film is disgusting. However deleting huge chunks from a film which you did not create and then distributing it is fine. Lucas has the right to add a giant unicorn to replace the spaceworm thing in ESB, it's his movies, and I personally say I like that after more than 30 years the guys still improving, to make them the best they can be.

[NYorker]

I think for this release, the change will be that actually one of the band members fired a shot, it Ricocheted of Han's gun and to Greedo...

[MOVIEfReAkAzOiD]

is there ever going to be a star wars trilogy pack on blu-ray that is going have all star wars movies from the begging to the end(star wars-star wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith).i havent even seen the new star wars movies(episode1-3)on blu-ray.does anybody know whats up with this?

[koontz1973]

No news yet. Heard that Lucas has decided to keep them for himself as he feels we do not deserve them on Blu.

[Show spoiler]https://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mo...er-2011-a.html

[Scooby Blu]

All movies on Blu 2011. News from this site.

[Evra]

Originally Posted by MOVIEfReAkAzOiD

is there ever going to be a star wars trilogy pack on blu-ray that is going have all star wars movies from the begging to the end(star wars-star wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith).i havent even seen the new star wars movies(episode1-3)on blu-ray.does anybody know whats up with this?

Where on Earth have you been?

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by kobe8byrant

Where on Earth have you been?

I think he was not on Earth, there is the problem