Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Monkey_Boy]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

And that the prequels are bad movies, although that goes without saying. Anyone with an ounce of good taste knows this. The guy who uses 3,000 smilies in every post proves this.

No he doesn't. He's just a fan... who likes smilies. I was once like him, but I've calmed down with the defending the prequels because it's just pointless. No one's opinion is gonna be swayed by words on a screen... unless they have some kinda mental unbalance thing goin' on. I, and others like me, enjoy the saga as a whole. The flaws you all see, we don't. The prequels answered the questions my friends and I had discussions over for years beforehand. They were entertaining for us and we were never bored. The saga fits together to us. We don't see the plotholes and such that you all do. Folks see what they wanna see. Nothing's gonna change. Not even GL's decision to put the originals on BD. As I've heard it, he wants the OOT forgotten. Putting 'em on BD wouldn't accomplish that.

@BluYoda
We talked about putting it off until mext year for the blus, but we didn't wanna break tradition. It's a recent tradition, but a tradition nonetheless!

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

If you think nobody has been commenting from the premises I described, then clearly you are the one who has not read the thread...

... and if it is so self-evidently factual that the PT stinks, then why have you and others expended so much effort trying to pursuade people to that viewpoint?

I offer my co-sponsorship to Bluyoda's comment above regarding your character and "contribution" to the forum.

Ahahaha, Prequels vs. Original-unaltered-Trilogy-only is one of the poll options - maybe that's why it's being discussed so much.... the thread was designed for that very discussion. I'm not trying to convince anyone the prequels stink though, I also don't feel the need to convince anyone the sky is blue; sometimes I like to point out that it still is, though.

And no, people haven't been "commenting on the premises" you described. No one thinks they "own Star Wars," or that Lucas is "forcing them" to buy anything; that's a fantasy you've concocted and it doesn't even make sense. I'm pretty sure I realize I don't own Star Wars, I just checked and I'm sitting on a comp chair, not an enormous pile of money and if I owned Star Wars I would be balls deep in it. People have been pissing and moaning because Lucas doesn't want to release the Original Trilogy on BD. They're some of the most important films in the history of the medium and are personal favorites of countless fans... it's not tough to figure out why this bothers some people.

I like how some operate under the delusion that discussion on the merits of releasing / not releasing the original, unaltered trilogy is asinine yet blathering on and on and on about the Phantom Menace as if it's Citizen Kane is somehow the reasonable thing to do. By the way, thanks for co-sponsoring that dude's comment regarding my character, hopefully some of the 15,000 smilies he's sure to use in his next post will co-sponsor it too.

Godawful movies.

[P@t_Mtl]

I can see Kitty Galore is at it again

Here since you like them so much

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

And no, people haven't been "commenting on the premises" you described. No one thinks that Lucas is "forcing them" to buy anything; that's a fantasy you've concocted and it doesn't even make sense.

I've concocted nothing. Read the thread, chief, there's at least 20 examples of people saying "by not releasing the OOT Lucas is forcing us to buy his crap CGI version", (and you're right, it doesn't even make sense; yet people keep saying it). Everything I said in that post was aimed at specific comments in this thread; that's how I came up with it in the first place.

Funny how I'm an idiot for "pointing out the obvious" in my post, yet you're cool for pointing out that the sky is blue and that it's a self-evident fact that the PT stinks. Super use of a double-standard there, pal. I love it when other people make themselves look foolish, it's the basis of most of the best comedy.

[greg_achen]

I seriously do not see what the point is in debating whether the unaltered trilogy is better than the special editions or how bad some people think the prequels are.

If a few fanboys don't want to pick up the set because they (A) don't like the special editions, or (B) don't like the prequels, or (c) don't like either... it will not hurt George Lucas' bottom line: the Star Wars Saga Blu Ray is going to sell a tremendous amount of copies and make him a lot of money.

If you think for a second the Blu Ray isn't going to sell exceptionally well because the unaltered trilogy isn't included, you have another thing coming. Let people piss themselves and not buy the Blu Ray, I say. Myself and a lot of other Star Wars fans are going to be mighty happy come Fall 2011.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

If you think for a second the Blu Ray isn't going to sell exceptionally well because the unaltered trilogy isn't included, you have another thing coming. Let people piss themselves and not buy the Blu Ray, I say. Myself and a lot of other Star Wars fans are going to be mighty happy come Fall 2011.

Most of the people moaning and calling it a dealbreaker are people that were not really going to buy it in the first place, they're just using the issue as an excuse to take shots at Lucas and Star Wars.

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Myself and a lot of other Star Wars fans are going to be mighty happy come Fall 2011.

And yet they don't seem happy. They get very defensive and threatened about it, it's strange.

[Gardenofstone10]

This is why I got into Blu Ray because of the potential with this film for the effects and above all, audio. 2011 is gonna rock!

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

I've concocted nothing.

Anakin... you're breaking my heart!!!

Wahahaha.

It sucks. Sorry dude.

No accounting for taste I guess

(of which yours I've accounted for for being horrific.)

Bendy Han shoots 2nd!

*round table clap*
Blu Ray forum wins again.

[vegeta88]

Would I prefer having the original, unaltered trilogy on Blu-ray? Sure would.
Will I buy the available versions on Blu-ray because I'm a fan? Sure will.

You can boycott this release all you want, but George Lucas is going to do it his way and he will make LOADS of money because lots and lots of people want his product. If he is releasing this and then the unaltered versions, he is business smart. If the TCs and and EEs of Lord of the Rings were released at the same time, New Line would not make as much money. I bought the TCs because I love the movies and do not want to wait an indeterminable amount of time for the next release.

I don't know if the current versions are his original intent, his new vision, or his business plan. I know is I want Star Wars on Blu-ray.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Yeah, but the difference is regardless of the release you're getting Grade A Film when it comes to the Lord of the Rings releases. They really can't mess the films up (although they surely could if Jackson did what Lucas does)..... even when they release 'em with a lackluster mastering process I still feel compelled to pick 'em up. It's not like Jackson altered the originals and refused to release those that the public fell in love with (in fact, the "extended" come later)....

... hold that thought actually... Maybe Gollum needs to look more like Shia Lebouf. Hopefully that happens.

With Star Wars though, there's the Original Unaltered Trilogy and a large pile of garbage. It might not seem that way given this forum, but it is... for a tremendous proportion of Star Wars fans.

People like me would just like the original preserved....

Not to be though, it seems.

Then again, in this forum we aren't exactly dealing with the brightest bulbs in the A/V bunch. Sorry, been here for a while - but that's just the way it is...

And the prequels suck. Just not good movies.

[vegeta88]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

[...]
... hold that thought actually... Maybe Gollum needs to look more like Shia Lebouf. Hopefully that happens.

Don't be silly. He needs to be enhanced to look like Jar Jar Binks.

People like me would just like the original preserved....

In my perfect world, we would get a release much like Close Encounters of the Third Kind with each and every version of the film and seamless branching.
Or a second best, for me, would be the enhanced visuals of the special editions without changing the actual movie (Han shooting first, Jabba scene, etc.)

And the prequels suck. Just not good movies.

There are a lot of good elements in the PT, but over-all I would say they aren't good movies. They are damn good entertainment though!

[greg_achen]

With Star Wars though, there's the Original Unaltered Trilogy and a large pile of garbage. It might not seem that way given this forum, but it is... for a tremendous proportion of Star Wars fans.

Oh my. With critics like this, who needs fans?

If I concede to you that your anecdotal opinion-based evidence is true and that "most" Star Wars fans think everything but the unaltered original trilogy is "garbage," you must then concede to me that the special editions, prequels, and dvd releases have all been immensely profitable for Lucasfilm. If we also go by you claim that a "tremendous" portion of Star Wars fans hate everything Star Wars post special editions, you must also concede that most Star Wars fans are masochists who are willing to throw away their hard-earned money on entertainment they deep down inside loathe.

Interesting phenomenon. "I will voluntarily give you my money George, but know that I am not happy about it!"

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Oh my. With critics like this, who needs fans?

If I concede to you that your anecdotal opinion-based evidence is true and that "most" Star Wars fans think everything but the unaltered original trilogy is "garbage," you must then concede to me that the special editions, prequels, and dvd releases have all been immensely profitable for Lucasfilm. If we also go by you claim that a "tremendous" portion of Star Wars fans hate everything Star Wars post special editions, you must also concede that most Star Wars fans are masochists who are willing to throw away their hard-earned money on entertainment they deep down inside loathe.

Interesting phenomenon. "I will voluntarily give you my money George, but know that I am not happy about it!"

Who in their right mind is disputing the fact that George Lucas has made a mint on these? I don't get that, at all.

It's not a tough concept, really:
To release the original unaltered trilogy on BD would be the shit.

Full friggin' stop.

This forum's idiocy notwithstanding.

It is not happening. He is taking his ball and going home. His Mother is not sharing these snacks.

[greg_achen]

Who in their right mind is disputing the fact that George Lucas has made a mint on these? I don't get that, at all.

Yet, you claim that a "tremendous" amount of Star Wars fans think everything Star Wars, post special editions, is crap. From what fanbase, then, is George Lucas making all this money from? Are you proposing that the "small" minority of fans who do like the special editions and prequels are responsible for the billions of dollars in revenue made since 1997?

Since you seem to have trouble reading between the lines, my point is that the "small" amount of Star Wars fans who do like the special editions and the prequels might not be as small as you would have us believe. If not, those "tremendous" amount of Star Wars fans you boast about are paying for products they view as "garbage." A little counterproductive, wouldn't you say? I am not buying that.

Remember, a vocal minority is not necessarily indicative of the majority, and I have the numbers on the financials to back me up.

[BellesPrince]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Who in their right mind is disputing the fact that George Lucas has made a mint on these? I don't get that, at all.

It's not a tough concept, really:
To release the original unaltered trilogy on BD would be the shit.

Full friggin' stop.

This forum's idiocy notwithstanding.

It is not happening. He is taking his ball and going home. His Mother is not sharing these snacks.

You know, if all of you people who are complaining hate the prequels and the SE's so much, why don't you just **** off and go and start your own thread where you can whine as much as you like about it.

Everyone's happy, well... apart from you, but then, something tells me you're never going to be happy.

[BellesPrince]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

I agree. In fact, GL said that the CGI Yoda in AotC & Sith was meant to be as much like the puppet as possible. Why make the CGI behave like the puppet if you don't like the puppet?

You've missed the point about using a CGI Yoda in Episode II & III. The limitations of the puppet used in Episode V & VI would have precluded them having Yoda fight in Episode II & III. They had to use CGI to realise Yoda in that way.

A little different with Yoda in Episode I - I think almost everyone would agree that the puppet was not very good in Episode I - I can see where they were going with him, trying to make a Yoda which appeared younger, but it just didn't work, and for me, was the worst thing about Episode I. The performance was fine, the puppet just looked wrong.

That's an entirely different situation with Episode V & VI where the puppet and the performance both look good, even by today's standards, and there really isn't any need to replace it. The whole challenge that Lucas set his visual effects artists for Episode II was to be able to realistically recreate the puppet Yoda, right down to the ear wobble.

[RudyC]

it just ocurred to me why lucas didnt release the unaltered versions on dvd...

he was so excited and happy with his new version that if he decided to give the fans the choice of which version to buy, then nobody would have bought the special editions..

"wahhh nobody saw my work"...

thats why we got screwed. maybe i have a glimmer..a new hope that with the bluray he is now satisfied that everyone on earth saw that turd so now maybe we'll get both versions

[Beast]

Originally Posted by RudyC

it just ocurred to me why lucas didnt release the unaltered versions on dvd...

he was so excited and happy with his new version that if he decided to give the fans the choice of which version to buy, then nobody would have bought the special editions..

"wahhh nobody saw my work"...

thats why we got screwed. maybe i have a glimmer..a new hope that with the bluray he is now satisfied that everyone on earth saw that turd so now maybe we'll get both versions

Someone is living in denial. You realize the SE versions on DVD sold huge numbers, right?

Outside of a small incredibly vocal minority of fanboys, most people don't care.

[Gardenofstone10]

Originally Posted by RudyC

it just ocurred to me why lucas didnt release the unaltered versions on dvd...

he was so excited and happy with his new version that if he decided to give the fans the choice of which version to buy, then nobody would have bought the special editions..

"wahhh nobody saw my work"...

thats why we got screwed. maybe i have a glimmer..a new hope that with the bluray he is now satisfied that everyone on earth saw that turd so now maybe we'll get both versions

I could see that happening given how the unaltered versions also sold very well. However, look at what they're doing with Lord of the Rings. They announced the trilogy as theatrical versions and then waited until close to release to say that the extended cuts will probably come out next December or whenever the Hobbit is coming out. I wouldn't be surprised if Lucas is holding off for some BS excuse like that.