Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by octagon

Let me preface this by saying I completely agree that Lucas' wealth is irrelevant to whether he should or shouldn't market, well, anything. The fact that he can afford to take a loss on something in no way obligates him to take that loss. He doesn't owe me or some amorphous 'fan base' or an even more amorphous 'cultural heritage' a single dime. I bought my tickets, I saw some movies - we're square financially.

That said, I find it very hard to believe theatrical releases wouldn't at least break even. Obviously none of us can know for sure but when you see an extra few minutes of Avatar going for thirty bucks you can't help but think multiple Star Wars editions would probably do okay.

I am not so convice they would be that popular. We (meaning us the truly nut case fans, myself included ) sometime think our passion about something is universal and everyone is just like us. I truly wonder how much of a sale number the original cut would really get if they were to be release on Blu-ray about a year after the special edition were? Let's not forget that us here represent a small part of those buying movies on home video format with a passion. Yes we can be a very vocal group among us but does that really translate to the normal people out there I don't think that many people would go and double dip on that as much as so many seem to think they would.

[Chiyo_chichi]

Originally Posted by octagon

That doesn't seem too likely to me. My strong hunch is that every piece of film/negative/paper Lucasfilm has gotten its hands on has already been scanned to within a molecule of its life. Whether we ever see theatrical cuts again is obviously an open question but I would be very surprised if we have to worry about deterioration of physical film.

That was probably taken care of quite some time ago.

If all he cares about is the Special Edition trilogy, and thats the only thing thats important in his eyes, maybe he wouldn't even care. Now fanboys can't complain anymore

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Chiyo_chichi

If all he cares about is the Special Edition trilogy, and thats the only thing thats important in his eyes, maybe he wouldn't even care. Now fanboys can't complain anymore

I don't believe that. I think he's very aware (and I'm not saying this in an even remotely critical way) of his place in film history and likely wants to preserve that. And his comments during the colorization debate also strongly suggest he takes film history and film preservation seriously.

He might want to put them in a safe labeled 'To Be Opened Only On My Death' but he doesn't want them gone forever

[nametag]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Once again, so easy to mix thing up to fit one's own definition of things. Lucas being rich as nothing to do with it. The cost of making a restauration of the original prints who have not been touch in almost 20 years are not done with Lucas personal money but with the money of Lucasfilm, the company. A company does not do thing as a individual person does things. They look at chart, bottom line, see if it's worth it and then if they see that very little money can be made out of it they will just say, nope we are not doing this. It's funny how so many of you spend your time in other threads saying that movies are a business and yet forget that exact same point in the Star Wars thread when it no longer fit what you want.

It's a release which will sell incredibly well, with a lot of money behind it, and very popular and famous films... I don't see why restoring the original would be so much more difficult or expensive than, say, Criterion restoring some old obscure classic which isn't half as well known, and won't sell as much. Plenty of film stock gets damaged, or isn't in good condition and is restored wonderfully (Aliens and The Red Shoes spring to mind). If Lucas wanted to, he could get it done.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by nametag

It's a release which will sell incredibly well, with a lot of money behind it, and very popular and famous films... I don't see why restoring the original would be so much more difficult or expensive than, say, Criterion restoring some old obscure classic which isn't half as well known, and won't sell as much. Plenty of film stock gets damaged, or isn't in good condition and is restored wonderfully (Aliens and The Red Shoes spring to mind). If Lucas wanted to, he could get it done.

Lucasfilm is not Criterion and mention them together in the same phrase I think break some sort of cinema rules of one kind or another

[nametag]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Lucasfilm is not Criterion and mention them together in the same phrase I think break some sort of cinema rules of one kind or another

haha that may be true, but my point still stands, surely? Films are released on BD which need major restoration work, and they are pretty much always films which will sell far less, and have far less money behind them, than Star Wars. So I don't buy the argument that it's impractical until Lucas says that every single physical copy of the original film has been wiped out from existence (probably something he'd quite like).

[octagon]

Replacing one of the Seven Samurai with a CGI Yoda might be kind of fun though.

Or would puppet Yoda be better...hmmm...

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by octagon

Replacing one of the Seven Samurai with a CGI Yoda might be kind of fun though.

Or would puppet Yoda be better...hmmm...

I could see replacing Toshiro Mifune with a a blue screen performance of Keanu Reeves, that would be cool. Afterall Mifune's performance is sub-par in the movie.

[Weirded Wonder]

They should replace old Darth Vader's voice with Hayden's voice. It makes no sense when Luke takes off his mask. I'm always so confused about who that old guy is anyways.

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

They should replace old Darth Vader's voice with Hayden's voice. It makes no sense when Luke takes off his mask. I'm always so confused about who that old guy is anyways.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if at the end of Jedi when Luke removes Vader's helmet, they replace Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen. They've already done it with the Force Ghost. Why not go all the way?

[stevo4264]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I could see replacing Toshiro Mifune with a a blue screen performance of Keanu Reeves, .

Keanu Reeves could easily be replaced by a Plank of wood

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by stevo4264

Keanu Reeves could easily be replaced by a Plank of wood

Extremely offensive, please take this back right now....

a plank of wood is useful afterall

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by backgroundactorman

I went to the Return of the Jedi screening held today on the Paramount studio lot, for the california parks film series (showcaseing films shot at california parks) which was introduced by Billy Dee Willams and followed with a Q&A with Mark Hamill and not one person in the audience of over 600 complained about it being the special edition that was shown today.

(it was kind of funny watching this 20th century fox film on the Paramount studios lot )

Wow! Sounds awesome, but the 1997 version? I'd prefer the 2004 version, but either way, it must have been really cool to see those guys.

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

I wanna know who are the fools who voted for #1?

Wow! Strong argument! Now you have convinced me of the superiority of the OT.

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I could see replacing Toshiro Mifune with a a blue screen performance of Keanu Reeves, that would be cool. Afterall Mifune's performance is sub-par in the movie.

YEAH!

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

They should replace old Darth Vader's voice with Hayden's voice. It makes no sense when Luke takes off his mask. I'm always so confused about who that old guy is anyways.

Agreed! It would make it more consistent for sure!

Originally Posted by stevo4264

Keanu Reeves could easily be replaced by a Plank of wood

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Extremely offensive, please take this back right now....

a plank of wood is useful afterall

I want George to surprise us all and give us the ULTIMATE SW experience, with the latest visual effects, and the kitchen sink!
Now they could fix some the fixed FX, and the OT effects that never worked (SSD crashing into some model kit in ROTJ, Matte lines around the rancor, Plastic figures of Han and Co on Jabbba's cruiser,......, since digital technology has become so much more affordable.

They have had enough time to wrok on these now, and if he really wants to blow audiences away with the Saga in 3-D, some things have to be updated, or else they would merely receive some chuckles.

I know it's about the story, but it wouldn't hurt if the effects didn't take up out of the experience, right?!?

[JoshKelhoffer]

Why not just release Star Wars as it was?

Why do people feel that their favorite movies should be altered to the point? The suggestions I'm seeing will make the films beyond recognizable, and given the work involved, he might as well just remake the film for you folks.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by stevo4264

Keanu Reeves could easily be replaced by a Plank of wood

Wait, that's an actual guy?

I thought those movies were all CGIed.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by octagon

Wait, that's an actual guy?

I thought those movies were all CGIed.

You must be a real fan of Avatar then

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by octagon

That doesn't seem too likely to me. My strong hunch is that every piece of film/negative/paper Lucasfilm has gotten its hands on has already been scanned to within a molecule of its life. Whether we ever see theatrical cuts again is obviously an open question but I would be very surprised if we have to worry about deterioration of physical film.

That was probably taken care of quite some time ago.

I think we do have to worry. In the American Cinematographer articles it's said that the pieces that had new effects in them were actually removed from the original negative, so while those pieces probably still exist in the archives, they must be in even worse shape than they were in 1997.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Monolithium

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if at the end of Jedi when Luke removes Vader's helmet, they replace Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen. They've already done it with the Force Ghost. Why not go all the way?

Unlikely. As Sebastian Shaw represents the remains of the Dark Side corrupted corpse that's been kept alive by machines.

Unlike with the Force Ghost, there's no reason to replace Sebastian Shaw in the actual suit. The Ghost however was necessary.

[JoshKelhoffer]

I never did care for Anakin's portrayal as a force ghost in either edition. In both versions, he's there smiling. After a couple decades worth of horrible things, he is redeemed by killing Palpatine. Yet, I think he should be feeling guilty and somewhat sickened by his actions of the past couple decades. And he doesn't deserve to be standing next to Yoda and Obi Wan.

It's a rather superficial moment.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by JoshKelhoffer

I never did care for Anakin's portrayal as a force ghost in either edition. In both versions, he's there smiling. After a couple decades worth of horrible things, he is redeemed by killing Palpatine. Yet, I think he should be feeling guilty and somewhat sickened by his actions of the past couple decades. And he doesn't deserve to be standing next to Yoda and Obi Wan.

It's a rather superficial moment.

You haven't seen them in a while, have you?

He sacrificed his life to do good, and destroyed the most evil man in the universe.

I don't know about you, but I'd say that's as much as anyone could do.

Hacking himself to pieces, or chocking himself as he did his victims would have been rather ridiculous, don't you think?

The scene works fine for me.