Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by octagon

And he wound up in a river of fire.

That's film-making.

So did Anakin Skywalker, at least more or less. Now that's better filmmaking.

[FlipperWasIrish]

Originally Posted by jvince

Question: Is there anything in the complete set that isn't in the original set aside from the prequels? I was underwhelmed by those newer ones.

The 3 extra discs of bonus features. This was cleary spelled out in the article.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by Beast

Indeed. LOTR is pretty silly all around. Gollum for instance was a much more annoying character than Jar Jar.

[StereoMike]

This thread has now become Star Wars vs LOTR...Jesus Christ people, get a life.

[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by Beast

Indeed. LOTR is pretty silly all around. Gollum for instance was a much more annoying character than Jar Jar.

I would have to strongly disagree with that. Gollum/Smeagal had a purpose and a deep back story written by a story telling genius more known for his work than anyone here cares to take into account. Jar Jar was added as filler by a story telling genius on a different scale to serve absolutely no purpose to his story, except to annoy the living f*** out of you.

Look, we don't need to get into a huge LOTR vs. SW debate here, but let's not express our bias too strongly.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by aggienader08

I would have to strongly disagree with that. Gollum/Smeagal had a purpose and a deep back story written by a story telling genius more known for his work than anyone here cares to take into account. Jar Jar was added as filler by a story telling genius on a different scale to serve absolutely no purpose to his story, except to annoy the living f*** out of you.

Look, we don't need to get into a huge LOTR vs. SW debate here, but let's not express our bias too strongly.

Jar Jar had tons of purpose to his storyline. Without him, the Jedi would have failed in their mission on Naboo.

And even if they managed to pull it out, they wouldn't have had the Gungan Army for their plans to invade the palace.

He's one of the most vital characters to the PT saga, even if his role in E2 and E3 isn't as large. Though still as important.

Plus he demonstrates the value of all life, which is an aspect of the symbotic relationships metaphor in the films.

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by Beast

So did Anakin Skywalker, at least more or less. Now that's better filmmaking.

You just made my day. I haven't laughed that loud in a long time.

Gollum had many moments where he is charming, and his character had lots of depth that is explored throughout both The Two Towers and Return of the King. When he is captured while catching/killing a fish, it is moving. If Jar Jar was blown to bits, nobody would have cared! Well, maybe one person. Jar Jar is essentially a jab at Gullah speaking people and after viewing all of the films several times, I cannot for the life of me find one redeeming quality aside for appealing to the demographic that watches Yo Gaba Gaba and Bob the Builder. I don't agree at all that Gollum was more annoying than Jar Jar, except for maybe the one scene where he's crying because Frodo put the leash on him, but then that doesn't last long and still doesn't compare to Jar Jar at his worst moments.

LoTR is absolutely brilliant and epic filmmaking. Revenge of the Sith, while also good (my favorite by far of the prequels), isn't in the same ballpark or possibly even league as LoTR.

Anyways, opinions are opinions. So why not put some pictures up of your Star Wars figurine/toy collection? I'd love to see them.

[kurtlingle]

Here is my reasoning.

I think JEDI is better than ANH. ANH is awesome in many ways, but is a bit slow at times. I like Jedi (now) better since seeing 1-3. I finally see DV as Anakin, Lukes father. I never fully saw DV as Anakin until I saw EP 1. Now instead of being (just) the evil Lord of the Sith, he is also the former hero who saved many, many people in the CW, etc.

As far as LOTR - I just think they are much better movies. I like SW better, and SW is probably my favorite movie series, but I can admit that PJ did a very very good job on those movies. But I still like SW better.

That's my answer.

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

First of all: ROTJ before ANH? How come?

Secondly: How is LOTR more mature than SW??

I can't wait to hear your reasoning.

[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by tilapiah6

Anyways, opinions are opinions. So why not put some pictures up of your Star Wars figurine/toy collection? I'd love to see them.

Yes! let's end this meaningless and irrelevant debate before we draw the LotR fans in here to suck up the thread pages trying to convince SW fans that LotR is better.

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by Beast

Jar Jar had tons of purpose to his storyline. Without him, the Jedi would have failed in their mission on Naboo.

And even if they managed to pull it out, they wouldn't have had the Gungan Army for their plans to invade the palace.

He's one of the most vital characters to the PT saga, even if his role in E2 and E3 isn't as large. Though still as important.

Plus he demonstrates the value of all life, which is an aspect of the symbotic relationships metaphor in the films.

Right, and Gollum represents the extent the One Ring can consume a person, and his character also pivotal to the plot of LoTR. The difference being that millions (arguably) love Gollum, while the opposite is true about Jar Jar.

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by aggienader08

Yes! let's end this meaningless and irrelevant debate before we draw the LotR fans in here to suck up the thread pages trying to convince SW fans that LotR is better.

LOL, good idea. (it's not)

While I do think LOTR is better than the prequels for many reasons, the SW saga, overall, dwarfs LOTR for many reasons.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by aggienader08

I would have to strongly disagree with that. Gollum/Smeagal had a purpose and a deep back story written by a story telling genius more known for his work than anyone here cares to take into account. Jar Jar was added as filler by a story telling genius on a different scale to serve absolutely no purpose to his story, except to annoy the living f*** out of you.

Look, we don't need to get into a huge LOTR vs. SW debate here, but let's not express our bias too strongly.

The LOTR movies are the most overrated films of all time.

The movies are terribly repetitive. We don't need Frodo and Sam tell us the same stuff for 12 f$5^ing hours, nor do we have to see Gollum have a split personality ten thousand times.

Talk about pacing.

The casting was appalling (Orlando Bloom, Huge Weaving, Liv Tyler...), the VFX looked faked the moment they were released in theaters, but were praised to heaven, the dialogue is some of the worst in any movie.

I take Steven Sommers' Deep Rising any day over that junk.

The only thing good about LOTR were the location shots of beautiful scenery.

The wizards fighting in their pajamas didn't help much either.

You are right, let's not get into a LOTR versus Star Wars discussion on here.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by tilapiah6

Right, and Gollum represents the extent the One Ring can consume a person, and his character also pivotal to the plot of LoTR. The difference being that millions (arguably) love Gollum, while the opposite is true about Jar Jar.

Jar Jar is still a much better character. And beloved by millions of children and many adults.

Also, all those Lord of the Rings movies are about is a bunch of people walking. Hell, even the trees walked in those damn movies!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0sc-gS9AqM

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by Beast

Jar Jar had tons of purpose to his storyline. Without him, the Jedi would have failed in their mission on Naboo.

Well, that is how the story was constructed. With a more talented (or just less rusty) screenwriter, they could have created a story where A) the character was not needed or B) Jar-Jar was replaced by a character less appallingly lame.

Either suits me fine and would have been a vast improvement.

I have three theories about who Beastie really is:

1. He has a shrine to George Lucas in his room and treats the man's every utterance as holy writ.

2. He is a member of Lucasfilm's web marketing team, assigned to squash any suggestion that the prequels are less than brilliant.

3. He is George Lucas himself, having one over on us.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Beast

Jar Jar had tons of purpose to his storyline. Without him, the Jedi would have failed in their mission on Naboo.

And even if they managed to pull it out, they wouldn't have had the Gungan Army for their plans to invade the palace.

He's one of the most vital characters to the PT saga, even if his role in E2 and E3 isn't as large. Though still as important.

Plus he demonstrates the value of all life, which is an aspect of the symbotic relationships metaphor in the films.

And let's not forget Jar Jar is the one who, in trying to do what he thinks is the right thing, helps get Palpatine his supreme power over the senate in AOTC.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Well, that is how the story was constructed. With a more talented (or just less rusty) screenwriter, they could have created a story where A) the character was not needed or B) Jar-Jar was replaced by a character less appallingly lame.

Either suits me fine and would have been a vast improvement.

I have three theories about who Beastie really is:

1. He has a shrine to George Lucas in his room and treats the man's every utterance as holy writ.

2. He is a member of Lucasfilm's web marketing team, assigned to squash any suggestion that the prequels are less than brilliant.

3. He is George Lucas himself, having one over on us.

Just like the LotR story was constructed to need the annoying character of Gollum. So, your point is?

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by aggienader08

I would have to strongly disagree with that. Gollum/Smeagal had a purpose and a deep back story written by a story telling genius more known for his work than anyone here cares to take into account. Jar Jar was added as filler by a story telling genius on a different scale to serve absolutely no purpose to his story, except to annoy the living f*** out of you. Look, we don't need to get into a huge LOTR vs. SW debate here, but let's not express our bias too strongly.

Don't forget they needed someone to blame for the creation of the army of the republic. Also, they needed something to 1. bring a toddler demographic into Star Wars, and 2. bring some brevity to the scenes where they are in Anakin's mother's house. "We're about to take your child from you, but watch this lizard snatch up fruit with his tongue!"

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by Beast

Jar Jar is still a much better character. And beloved by millions of children and many adults.

Also, all those Lord of the Rings movies are about is a bunch of people walking. Hell, even the trees walked in those damn movies!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0sc-gS9AqM

Redlettermedia reviews are funnier and more indepth/correct. Just saying.

But yes, that is a comical over-generalization of Lord of the Rings that is sure to piss any LoTR nerd off.

[goldenrod]

Originally Posted by Beast

You missed some great figures. Especially some of the long requested OT figures.

Still collecting them here.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

And let's not forget Jar Jar is the one who, in trying to do what he thinks is the right thing, helps get Palpatine his supreme power over the senate in AOTC.

Correct. Palpatine's a devious bastage in how he manages to manipulate everything and everyone to gain his power.

He sets up things perfectly to get all the characters moved into their proper place on the chessboard.

One of the best things about the Prequel Saga is seeing the master manipulator we heard about in RotJ in action.