Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by GlenR

Let me know when the original 3 are sold as a set for $20 and then maybe I'll buy them. Lucas has gotten enough money from me over the last couple of decades. Besides they'll be on TV at least once a month. The prequels stunk.

We're really glad you could chime in with that.

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by Uxi

If Vader died at the end of IV, he'd have been the weakest aspect of the Original Trilogy, too. Of course, said trilogy would be completely different, but without punking Luke in TESB or getting pwnt in RotJ, he's an entirely different character.

I'll say it again, best homage to the OT, would have been for Obi-wan to "let go" while hanging, fall down a chute, Maul leaves and takes Dooku's place in AOTC and ROTS... not much else changes in the prequels, except alot more Maul.

Dooku was a much less impressive Sith than Maul. Old Man who fences.

Exactly my point! Thank you! Dooku was lame lame lame compared to Maul, who had much less screen time.

[JamesKurtovich]

Not related to the BD release of SW, but who is the Sith on the Clone Wars TV series? He looks just like Maul!

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by fgomike

Can you explain what you mean by "if it weren't for Darth Maul", I don't see the connection between Obi Wan launching himself out of a pit and back flipping onto stable land.

When fighting Darth Maul, Obi Wan foolishly leaps over the top of him, lands behind him, and cuts Maul in half. If not for Maul's pride, Maul would have sliced Obi Wan up! Fast-forward to a much more matured Obi Wan in Revenge of the Sith, a very similar ending to the Anakin/Obi Wan battle takes place, but with Anakin jumping up and flipping over Obi Wan.

It's poetic if you think about it; in the Maul/Obi Wan fight, Maul's pride blinds him to the point of letting a Jedi just flip right over his head, leading to his death. In the Anakin/Obi Wan fight, Anakin's pride blinds him from EVEN A FRIENDLY WARNING from Obi Wan that 'hey man, I know exactly what I'm doing right now, so don't try what you're thinking.' Anakin's pride, a Sith's pride, leads to the exact opposite scenarior taking place, which causes his legs/arm to get cut off, and the rest is history.

That's what I meant. Darth Maul was like a stepping stone for Obi Wan's training to become the Jedi Master he was later in life.

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Not related to the BD release of SW, but who is the Sith on the Clone Wars TV series? He looks just like Maul!

I really need to watch the Clones Wars tv show. Are you talking about Vintress?

[SethRex]

I think he's talking about...crap, but i forgot his name. But I think he's of Darth Maul's species, Zabrak.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by Beast

Disagreed entirely. He was the weakest aspect of the Prequels for me.

The only aspect of Darth Maul that was interesting was the lightsaber battle.

Oh no doubt but it seemed intentionally weak for some odd reason... Thats not to say they couldn't make it much more interesting if they really developed a story for him.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Not related to the BD release of SW, but who is the Sith on the Clone Wars TV series? He looks just like Maul!

Originally Posted by tilapiah6

I really need to watch the Clones Wars tv show. Are you talking about Vintress?

No, he means Savage Opress:

Originally Posted by SethRex

I think he's talking about...crap, but i forgot his name. But I think he's of Darth Maul's species, Zabrak.

Yup!

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Uxi

If Vader died at the end of IV, he'd have been the weakest aspect of the Original Trilogy, too. Of course, said trilogy would be completely different, but without punking Luke in TESB or getting pwnt in RotJ, he's an entirely different character.

I'll say it again, best homage to the OT, would have been for Obi-wan to "let go" while hanging, fall down a chute, Maul leaves and takes Dooku's place in AOTC and ROTS... not much else changes in the prequels, except alot more Maul.

Dooku was a much less impressive Sith than Maul. Old Man who fences.

I think I agree. I really disliked how there was a new bad guy in each of the prequel movies. Made for less consistency for me, but I'm sure lots of merchandise sales revenue for George.

[P@t_Mtl]

and of course if George had decided to keep the same Sith apprentice along with Palpatine for the entire prequels, then people would have complaint that he is such a bad storyteller as the fight between Jedi & Sith have no resolutions and it's so lame

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

I think I agree. I really disliked how there was a new bad guy in each of the prequel movies. Made for less consistency for me, but I'm sure lots of merchandise sales revenue for George.

And I think this is also why both Grevious and Darth Maul had such shallow stories. They were there merely as one dimensional plot devices to cause something to happen, and nothing more. Damn shame....

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

and of course if George had decided to keep the same Sith apprentice along with Palpatine for the entire prequels, then people would have complaint that he is such a bad storyteller as the fight between Jedi & Sith have no resolutions and it's so lame

I agree. Glad they went the way they did with more baddies in a bigger universe. Love Vader and all. He is the best thing about the OT; but, glad the PT didn't follow that formula.

[MCT]

Originally Posted by Beast

Disagreed entirely. He was the weakest aspect of the Prequels for me.

The only aspect of Darth Maul that was interesting was the lightsaber battle.

yeah, thats what happens when you kill off a character with promise way too early in the story and give him limited screen time in the one movie he appeared in on top of that. It's called "character development", Beast.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

and of course if George had decided to keep the same Sith apprentice along with Palpatine for the entire prequels, then people would have complaint that he is such a bad storyteller as the fight between Jedi & Sith have no resolutions and it's so lame

He did that with the Original Trilogy...

[fgomike]

Originally Posted by tilapiah6

When fighting Darth Maul, Obi Wan foolishly leaps over the top of him, lands behind him, and cuts Maul in half. If not for Maul's pride, Maul would have sliced Obi Wan up! Fast-forward to a much more matured Obi Wan in Revenge of the Sith, a very similar ending to the Anakin/Obi Wan battle takes place, but with Anakin jumping up and flipping over Obi Wan.

It's poetic if you think about it; in the Maul/Obi Wan fight, Maul's pride blinds him to the point of letting a Jedi just flip right over his head, leading to his death. In the Anakin/Obi Wan fight, Anakin's pride blinds him from EVEN A FRIENDLY WARNING from Obi Wan that 'hey man, I know exactly what I'm doing right now, so don't try what you're thinking.' Anakin's pride, a Sith's pride, leads to the exact opposite scenarior taking place, which causes his legs/arm to get cut off, and the rest is history.

That's what I meant. Darth Maul was like a stepping stone for Obi Wan's training to become the Jedi Master he was later in life.

Very insightful. I never looked at it that way.

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by MCT

yeah, thats what happens when you kill off a character with promise way too early in the story and give him limited screen time in the one movie he appeared in on top of that. It's called "character development", Beast.

Jadakiss would have known that.

Originally Posted by fgomike

Very insightful. I never looked at it that way.

I thought so. It also gives more merit to Obi Wan saying "I have the high ground."

[Beast]

Originally Posted by MCT

yeah, thats what happens when you kill off a character with promise way too early in the story and give him limited screen time in the one movie he appeared in on top of that. It's called "character development", Beast.

I don't recall a character with promise being killed in TPM. Maul certainly doesn't fit the bill.

Dooku was a much better character all around, and fit the "Elegence of Evil" we saw with Vader and Palpy in the OT.

Also, the PT doesn't really have any more villains than the OT does. They just come in different forms.

Besides, the whole point of Maul was that Palpatine isn't a very good teacher. Hence moving on to turning establshed Jedis.

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by Beast

I don't recall a character with promise being killed in TPM. Maul certainly doesn't fit the bill.

Dooku was a much better character all around, and fit the "Elegence of Evil" we saw with Vader and Palpy in the OT.

Also, the PT doesn't really have any more villains than the OT does. They just come in different forms.

Besides, the whole point of Maul was that Palpatine isn't a very good teacher. Hence moving on to turning establshed Jedis.

The promise I think is the character design. He was such a creativly designed character, and had so much mystery surrounding his existence. We never get to find out anything about him or why Palpatine even had him as an apprentice. Pretty crappy considering the fact that they are the first Siths to pop up on the grid in some time.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

and of course if George had decided to keep the same Sith apprentice along with Palpatine for the entire prequels, then people would have complaint that he is such a bad storyteller as the fight between Jedi & Sith have no resolutions and it's so lame

Eh? There'd only be one less Sith Lord. There would have been results. In that scenario, Maul would still have killed Qui-Gon and beat Obi-wan in TPM... he'd have amputated Anakin and beat Obi-wan AGAIN in AOTC. And he'd have beat Obi-wan a third time in ROTS before getting decapitated by Anakin. Obi-wan would still beat Grevious in ROTS. Obi-wan would still amputate the rest of Anakin's limbs in ROTS. Sounds like resolution to me... it would be Obi-wan continually getting punked by Maul.

We just would have missed out on the Kenny Rogers stunt man from AOTC.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Beast

I don't recall a character with promise being killed in TPM.

I do. So now it's 2-1 in favor of Maul having promise.

Originally Posted by Beast

Also, the PT doesn't really have any more villains than the OT does. They just come in different forms.

Really? The OT was Vader and Palpatine. Maybe throw in Boba Fett.

The PT was Palpatine/Maul, then Palpatine/Dooku, then Palpatine/Grievous, then Palpatine/Vader, not to mention the other minor villains like Jango Fett, Nute Gunray, et al., those creatures at the end of AOTC, battledroids, and ultimately, clone troopers.