Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Rewatch the movie again Luke was forced to use one hand! and got the saber knocked out of his hand During the rest of the fight he used both hands! You are clinging on the a 2 second part where Luke was forced to use one hand to prove your point! How many times did he fight one handed against Vader in ROTJ

Dude, get a life. Talk about beating a dead horse: who cares about this anymore? Seriously.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Actually, I was thinking the same thing myself. I avoided The Clone Wars initially, and just started watching them very recently. In all honesty, I like them better than the films. I would love to see them go back & include the six films as part of the animated Clone Wars series. Watching the commentaries, these guys are better suited to make Star Wars films than GL (IMHO).

I was thinking along similar lines I wouldn't mind an Avatar style adventure or The Clone Wars style one bit. With the live TV series on hold they should mix it up a bit.

I don't really understand the obssession with the between Episodes II and III storylines and wouldn't mind some diversion.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by chip75

I was thinking along similar lines I wouldn't mind an Avatar style adventure or The Clone Wars style one bit. With the live TV series on hold they should mix it up a bit.

I don't really understand the obssession with the between Episodes II and III storylines and wouldn't mind some diversion.

Dude, it's the Clone Wars, which have been discussed & contemplated since ANH. Also, I think a lot of people (the vast majority) expected their events to be the main focus of the PT. Instead, we seen the events that led up to them, then their end. The between Episode II & III is pretty much Anakin's entire history as an actual Jedi. It's the meat of his relationships with Obi-Wan, Padme, (pre-Vader) Palpatine, etc. Other than his actual fall, the Clone Wars are the story of Anakin Skywalker and of the Jedi of the time period.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Dude, get a life. Talk about beating a dead horse: who cares about this anymore? Seriously.

It was a big deal to you and others yesterday when you were telling us how wrong we were. Now we have to get a life because we were right?



Anyway, Pooh, I'm with you on the Clone Wars. I don't watch them much anymore, but the stories and action are great. They're a great filler for the stuff in between AOTC and ROTS.

It'd be cool if they did one for the stuff between ROTS and ANH (though of course it couldn't be the Clone Wars...)

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

It was a big deal to you and others yesterday when you were telling us how wrong we were. Now we have to get a life because we were right?



Anyway, Pooh, I'm with you on the Clone Wars. I don't watch them much anymore, but the stories and action are great. They're a great filler for the stuff in between AOTC and ROTS.

It'd be cool if they did one for the stuff between ROTS and ANH (though of course it couldn't be the Clone Wars...)

They could call it The Dark Times. That would be awesome. The Clone wars are the story of Anakin's Jedi days, The Dark Times could be the story of Anakin/Vader's Sith days.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

It was a big deal to you and others yesterday when you were telling us how wrong we were. Now we have to get a life because we were right?

You guys claimed Lucas directly said they weighed 50 pounds. Then it was shown to be Mark Hamill and then you say "semantics"? Quit moving the goalposts.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You guys claimed Lucas directly said they weighed 50 pounds. Then it was shown to be Mark Hamill and then you say "semantics"? Quit moving the goalposts.

Oh, clearly you're right and we're wrong...

I'm sure Hamill was lying.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You guys claimed Lucas directly said they weighed 50 pounds. Then it was shown to be Mark Hamill and then you say "semantics"? Quit moving the goalposts.

If Mark Hamill said it came from George Lucas, then George Lucas did directly say it... To Mark Hamill, as part of his direction. Just because GL didn't say something directly to the viewer, doesn't mean it wasn't said. I guess Mark Hamill is lying about it though?

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

If Mark Hamill said it came from George Lucas, then George Lucas did directly say it... To Mark Hamill, as part of his direction. Just because GL didn't say something directly to the viewer, doesn't mean it wasn't said.

Come on now, OG Pooh, it's that sort of good logic that makes the Internet break. I'm blaming you when that happens!

P.S. Great idea on "The Dark Times". What's Lucas' live-action show supposed to be about by the way?

[kurtlingle]

Lucas definitely also said this.
If I recall, he admitted to changing them from being "heavy" in ANH and making them "light" in the other movies (or at least the PT). No way I'm watching through 6+ hours of special features, but Lucas said it in there somewhere.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You guys claimed Lucas directly said they weighed 50 pounds. Then it was shown to be Mark Hamill and then you say "semantics"? Quit moving the goalposts.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Come on now, OG Pooh, it's that sort of good logic that makes the Internet break. I'm blaming you when that happens!

P.S. Great idea on "The Dark Times". What's Lucas' live-action show supposed to be about by the way?

Will I have to answer directly to Al Gore if that actually happens?

In all honesty, I'm not sure what the live-action series was to be about.

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

Lucas definitely also said this.
If I recall, he admitted to changing them from being "heavy" in ANH and making them "light" in the other movies (or at least the PT). No way I'm watching through 6+ hours of special features, but Lucas said it in there somewhere.

As I said earlier, the problem is that GL is always changing things that break the continuity. Some people try to rationalize everything, rather than simply admitting GL has made a mess of the saga.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Dude, get a life. Talk about beating a dead horse: who cares about this anymore? Seriously.

He's trying to work it out in that little head of his that one handed lightsaber...uh...handling didn't occur until the PT just because Luke only did it for a few seconds in ESB. Then, he'll tell you to go watch the movie like those few seconds that Luke does it are going to change the fact that he is indeed fighting one hand holding lightsaber. Oh wait, lets spin it. He wasn't actually fighting, he was falling. Vader can do it 'cause he is more machine than man. Oh! Wait, guess that means that fully trained Jedi or Sith can't do it because...well...they are fully trained. Why in the hell would fully trained Jedi or Sith be masters with their weapon. Ridiculous, I know! In the end though, fighting one handed with a lightsaber is nothing new in Star Wars. It is part of the OT, part of the PT, part of TCW, and part of some of the games. Bottom line, it is a part of the saga, PERIOD!

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Rewatch the movie again Luke was forced to use one hand! and got the saber knocked out of his hand During the rest of the fight he used both hands!

Ok, watching the movie now, and sure enough Luke IS fighting with one hand. And, actually, he attacked Vader that way, ONE HANDED. After his initial one handed lunge toward Vader, you can see Luke fall back due to the sheer power of Vader who BTW is also fighting ONE HANDED. So there it is clear as day, both Luke and Vader only using one hand for some of the fight. Not sure what you are getting at by saying it was only a few seconds. Doesn't make it less of a fact that Luke was indeed fighting one handed.

Originally Posted by mrpink134

You are clinging on the a 2 second part where Luke was forced to use one hand to prove your point!

No point to prove when the facts are right there on my screen as I type. You even said it yourself, "Luke was forced to use one hand." And, that is certainly your POV that he was "forced," but doesn't change the fact that he fought one handed. You can blame the PT all you want, but fact still remains it originated in ESB. Hell, can even say it originated in ANH when Luke first ignited his fathers saber. But, technically, he wasn't fighting; and, we all know that a 50lb saber does in fact weigh less when you're in combat.

Hey! Two guesses how Luke cut himself from the ice in the Wampa cave, and how he cut off the Wampas arm...that's right! One handed lightsaber strike baby! Oh, and lets not forget how he cuts open the hatch on the AT-AT...two handed! Nah, just kidding. That was one handed too.

Originally Posted by mrpink134

How many times did he fight one handed against Vader in ROTJ

He ignited his saber with one hand on the skiff, does that count?

Originally Posted by O_V_N

It was a big deal to you and others yesterday when you were telling us how wrong we were. Now we have to get a life because we were right?

Hey, I can admit when I'm wrong...and...well...I still haven't seen where Lucas made that comment. All I saw was Hamill saying that George said that the sabers were heavy...like a sword...like Excalibur, and then saw Hamill give his interpretation of how heavy Excalibur or a sword might be...40-50lbs. Well, there is no proof GL said it, but you think he said it, and that's fine. I'll go with what GL did say on the vid posted. They have a heft to them.

[OG Pooh]

This is taken directly from IMDB, regarding the Birth of the Lightsaber extra on the 2004 DVD...

George Lucas explains how he got the idea of using 'laser-swords' as the weapon of the Jedi Knights, Mark Hamill comments on the various techniques they used (accompanied by more great behind the scenes stuff) and Ben Burtt again recounts how he combined his tape recorder hum with the buzz from his TV set to create the sound we all know, love and try to copy with our mouths when pretending to swing a light-saber. One reason George Lucas never repeats the same documentary on any of his releases twice (appart from the 'buy this set, it's got new stuff' reason) is his well known tendency to contradict himself. For instance, it has been documented elsewhere that Lucas got really upset with Irvin Kirshner when he found out David Prowse was swinging his light-saber with one hand on the Empire set. George always saw the weapons as heavy samurai swords. In this documentary he repeats this sentiment, then acknowledge that in the second film, they tried it another way. Of course it's only natural that the man does not mention any on set anger he may have had 28 years ago, but it does bother me a little bit that he totally neglects to mention Irvin Kirshner in this one (and nobody seemed to mention poor Richard Marquand at all on any of the 2004 set's bonus material). Also noteworthy is that 'Darth Farmer' David Prowse was one of the few people not invited to participate.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Oh, clearly you're right and we're wrong...

I'm sure Hamill was lying.

More likely it's the cocaine talking.

[goresnet]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Will I have to answer directly to Al Gore if that actually happens?

Hey now! I'm watching!

[chip75]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Dude, it's the Clone Wars, which have been discussed & contemplated since ANH. Also, I think a lot of people (the vast majority) expected their events to be the main focus of the PT. Instead, we seen the events that led up to them, then their end.

I agree with you 100% from a certain point of view of course The Clone Wars is going to focus on The Clone Wars lol. I just don't get why though especially as it was almost bypassed by the movies. Sure it looks interesting and I love the animated series but I would be up for some diversion in another series at least or some nice flashbacks in the current series.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by chip75

I agree with you 100% from a certain point of view of course The Clone Wars is going to focus on The Clone Wars lol. I just don't get why though especially as it was almost bypassed by the movies. Sure it looks interesting and I love the animated series but I would be up for some diversion in another series at least or some nice flashbacks in the current series.

I simply want one cohesive story. One where the plot and small details don't take a backseat to a cool move, a catchy line or a special effect. One where things don't need to be rationalized or looked into further only to be explained in some way that isn't grasping at straws or severely stretching things. One where the rules GL makes today aren't thrown away tomorrow because the new way looks better or provokes oohs & aahs from the audience. One where line "B" doesn't contradict what line "A" infered, with line "C" negating both of them. One where the people behind the scenes can safely state something about the film today & have it hold up tomorrow. Not Lightsabers are heavy, like Samuri Swords today, then we see clones casually tossing them around one handed tomorrow. Not C-3PO saying There will be no escape for the Princess this time one minute, then not knwonig who she is the next. Not Darth Vader saying ...And I'm sure Skywalker is with them in the morning , then Luke Skywalker... Who's Luke Skywalker? Oh, him, he's alive? You're kidding me in the afternoon. Not Yoda saying Oh, you can't leave, you're training is not finished this week, then Oh no, you're training has been finished, you're fine. Go fight Dad again the next.

What I would really like is for GL to turn the whole franchise over the the Clone Wars crew & say Start back at the begining and give us one complete story, all the way through. They understand continuity, Watching the extras from season one, when they talk about how Anakin & Grevous can't meet in the series because it's obvious that their first face to face encounter happens during RotS... GL wouldn't have thought about that unless someone pointed it out after the fact. He would have simply done it & explained it away later, like C-3PO's memory-wipe. Of course his explination would probably open up an even bigger hole. But that wouldn't matter, as the true geeks would rationalize it away anyway.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

This is taken directly from IMDB, regarding the Birth of the Lightsaber extra on the 2004 DVD...

George Lucas explains how he got the idea of using 'laser-swords' as the weapon of the Jedi Knights, Mark Hamill comments on the various techniques they used (accompanied by more great behind the scenes stuff) and Ben Burtt again recounts how he combined his tape recorder hum with the buzz from his TV set to create the sound we all know, love and try to copy with our mouths when pretending to swing a light-saber. One reason George Lucas never repeats the same documentary on any of his releases twice (appart from the 'buy this set, it's got new stuff' reason) is his well known tendency to contradict himself. For instance, it has been documented elsewhere that Lucas got really upset with Irvin Kirshner when he found out David Prowse was swinging his light-saber with one hand on the Empire set. George always saw the weapons as heavy samurai swords. In this documentary he repeats this sentiment, then acknowledge that in the second film, they tried it another way. Of course it's only natural that the man does not mention any on set anger he may have had 28 years ago, but it does bother me a little bit that he totally neglects to mention Irvin Kirshner in this one (and nobody seemed to mention poor Richard Marquand at all on any of the 2004 set's bonus material). Also noteworthy is that 'Darth Farmer' David Prowse was one of the few people not invited to participate.

Wow point proven again. It shows we were right all along. I'm done with this topic point proven.


Thanks for finding this

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Dude, get a life. Talk about beating a dead horse: who cares about this anymore? Seriously.

Wow sounds like a sore loser.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Wow point proven again. It shows we were right all along. I'm done with this topic point proven.


Thanks for finding this

I'm sure someone will want documentation of the documentation, signed in triplicate and on their desktop by noon tomorrow. Because we all know we're lying, Mark Hamil is lying, we're senile, it was dream... Oh and the big one... If there's no link, it doesn't really exist or it never actually happened.