Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by Beast

Double-chinned bastard? Someone is taking these movies a bit too seriously. I myself am hoping for more tweaks. Tweaks for everyone!

I absolutely take the OT seriously. ROTJ was the very first film I saw in a movie theater when I was 3 years old. The Original Trilogy shaped my love for cinema like no other films did in my formative years. I support any improvements to the PQ and AQ all the way, but I just want the OT preserved as the films they were when released.

Imagine if Ridley Scott changed the original Xenomorph in Alien to a CGI creature? Or if WB decided to swap out the set of 2001: A Space Odyssey for a CGI environment? Scott and Kubrick fans would flip there sh*t. Why? CGI sticks out like a sore thumb among practical effects. That's why i find the Special Editions so appalling. I understand that the films are first and foremost the film makers' to do with what they choose, but there comes a time when you need to understand the people's wishes that made you filthy rich by being fans for nearly their entire lives.

What Scott and WB did with the Blade Runner Complete Collector's Edition blu-ray is a perfect example of what you do for all fans. Give us a preserved version of the original film with all of the PQ and AQ improvements along with whatever "improvements" you think need to be made to a new version. When Lucas says he doesn't have the resources to treat the OT with the same respect, he's lying through his teeth.

And all the crap Lucas threw in the frame of every shot in the Prequel Trilogy didn't improve the films in anyway. Same goes for the Original Trilogy. Watch the Special Edition ANH's Mos Eisley scene starting when Luke, Ben and the droids first arrive on the speeder and tell me all that digital crap he put on the screen doesn't distract you. I just love a purely digital creature just walking in front of the entire frame for no apparent reason, don't you?

What's sad is we'll be waiting until long after Lucas passes on until we get a chance at seeing the OT in their theatrical form on any modern home video format (in an acceptable presentation that is, those non-anamorphic, non-THX 'BONUS' versions that came with the DVD's were just a slap in the face from Lucas).

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Beowulf85

Yes! and also replace the Yoda in EpII with the CG model they used in EpIII

Never thought about it, but it would cool if they open the scale of that battle, much lie what they did with the battle of Yavin

LOL maybe he went to the Purina military academy or was part of the K-9 division of the rebel alliance or... do you think that was some sort of product placement? D: ..... j/k j/k

Originally Posted by iamsometal

If that double-chinned bastard screws with the Original Trilogy anymore than he already has I'll not be buying the blu-rays.

Give me the originals in their former non-effed with glory or give me death.

Oh, I don't think there are enough of your kind to ever hurt sales; but, don't think you'll have to worry about the death part. The UOT may indeed come to BD at some point. And, if not, there are always the LD's.

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I agree with you on that but let's not go overboard with the tweaks to the OT maybe a few here a their like some touch up's but nothing major.

For the SE's, there is no limit. Leave that for the UOT BD's.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

Imagine if Ridley Scott changed the original Xenomorph in Alien to a CGI creature? Or if WB decided to swap out the set of 2001: A Space Odyssey for a CGI environment?

Not this fan. Have both of those on DVD so whatever changes are made for future formats is ok with me.

Originally Posted by iamsometal

What's sad is we'll be waiting until long after Lucas passes on until we get a chance at seeing the OT in their theatrical form on any modern home video format (in an acceptable presentation that is, those non-anamorphic, non-THX 'BONUS' versions that came with the DVD's were just a slap in the face from Lucas).

Yeah, was kind of a big FU to the worshiping extremists. Gave me a chuckle.

[Monolithium]

"I am altering the films. Pray I don't alter them any further!" Darth Lucas

[Beast]

Originally Posted by harry keogh

That is funny coming from you.

I don't take them seriously at all. They're fun movies that I enjoy. Especially the Prequels.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by Monolithium

"I am altering the films. Pray I don't alter them any further!" Darth Lucas

[Beast]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

Imagine if Ridley Scott changed the original Xenomorph in Alien to a CGI creature? Or if WB decided to swap out the set of 2001: A Space Odyssey for a CGI environment? Scott and Kubrick fans would flip there sh*t.

If Ridley wanted to do that, that's fine with me. He could even finish those cut shots. And put in the scenes where they try to blow the alien out an airlock, among other stuff. As for 2001, given Kubrick is deceased I could understand the issue. Since it would be someone other than the original creator fiddling. But in Ridley and Lucas' case, they're the creators and should be able to do whatever they feel like.

Why? CGI sticks out like a sore thumb among practical effects. That's why i find the Special Editions so appalling. I understand that the films are first and foremost the film makers' to do with what they choose, but there comes a time when you need to understand the people's wishes that made you filthy rich by being fans for nearly their entire lives.

CGI doesn't stand out any more than cheap kitbashed models and rubber puppets.
And why should he satisfy a few complaining fans, at the expense of his own artistic choices?

What Scott and WB did with the Blade Runner Complete Collector's Edition blu-ray is a perfect example of what you do for all fans. Give us a preserved version of the original film with all of the PQ and AQ improvements along with whatever "improvements" you think need to be made to a new version. When Lucas says he doesn't have the resources to treat the OT with the same respect, he's lying through his teeth.

Well, that's what Scott and WB wanted to do. Lucas doesn't want to throw money at restoring and releasing inferior versions of his films. So that's why his focus is devoted entirely towards the updated and improved versions. I also love how people complain about the changes, yet want all the PQ and AQ improvements. If you want the originals so bad, why are you asking for changes and tweaks?

And all the crap Lucas threw in the frame of every shot in the Prequel Trilogy didn't improve the films in anyway. Same goes for the Original Trilogy. Watch the Special Edition ANH's Mos Eisley scene starting when Luke, Ben and the droids first arrive on the speeder and tell me all that digital crap he put on the screen doesn't distract you. I just love a purely digital creature just walking in front of the entire frame for no apparent reason, don't you?

Eh. A New Hope is incredibly improved by making Mos Eisley look like a living and breathing city. Rather than a cheap set with not enough extras. Pretty much all of the changes to the OT were for the better. A New Hope was the film with the worst problems, so I'm glad it got the most additions and tweaks.

What's sad is we'll be waiting until long after Lucas passes on until we get a chance at seeing the OT in their theatrical form on any modern home video format (in an acceptable presentation that is, those non-anamorphic, non-THX 'BONUS' versions that came with the DVD's were just a slap in the face from Lucas).

It's not sad at all. It's a his artistic choices. And we all know he's likely ensured that when he becomes one with the Force that his kids and Lucasfilm will follow his wishes on the films. Because in the end, outside of the rabid fans who post online, most people don't really care what versions they buy. And the whole "slap in the face" thing is just a silly comment. They were bonus discs. People were lucky those inferior versions were released at all. And at least this way, if I ever do feel like watching the original versions.... I don't need to drag out my Betamax, VHS, or Laserdisc copies anymore.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Beast

I don't take them seriously at all. They're fun movies that I enjoy. Especially the Prequels.

Same here all like all 6 star wars films and both versions of the original trilogy. If some fanboys don't like the prequels and the changes to the OT for the special edition so what the changes to the OT where made for the better.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

Same goes for the Original Trilogy. Watch the Special Edition ANH's Mos Eisley scene starting when Luke, Ben and the droids first arrive on the speeder and tell me all that digital crap he put on the screen doesn't distract you. I just love a purely digital creature just walking in front of the entire frame for no apparent reason, don't you?

What? You don't LOVE that mashup of 'Jurassic Park and Star Wars' altogether in the SAME movie?

And lets not forget that lovely combination of 'Star Trek and Star Wars' also. How many times have we been treated to that 'Praxis ring effect' from exploding celestial bodies? Maybe he will add that to all those Tie-fighter and X-wing pyrotechnics too.



Lucasfilm moto- "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is"

[harry keogh]

Originally Posted by Beast

I don't take them seriously at all. They're fun movies that I enjoy. Especially the Prequels.

Man, you are constantly arguing with anyone in this thread that does not agree with you. You take this very seriously. Stop lying to yourself. This is my favorite thread in this entire forum. The same folks arguing over and over again. It is entertaining as all get out. Contradiction and hypocrisy abounds!

[Beast]

Originally Posted by harry keogh

Man, you are constantly arguing with anyone in this thread that does not agree with you. You take this very seriously. Stop lying to yourself. This is my favorite thread in this entire forum. The same folks arguing over and over again. It is entertaining as all get out. Contradiction and hypocrisy abounds!

Who's arguing? We're having a discussion with two perfectly legitimate points of view. And where's the supposed contradictions and hypocrisy?

"Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Lucasfilm moto- "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is"

Thread Winner.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

What? You don't LOVE that mashup of 'Jurassic Park and Star Wars' altogether in the SAME movie?

The Dewbacks predate Jurassic Park by a great many years. Since they appear in the original theatrical versions.

[harry keogh]

Originally Posted by Beast

Who's arguing? We're having a discussion with two perfectly legitimate points of view.

You, for too many damn pages of this thread to count.
I don't have anything against the PT or SE's, but I want the OT as well. I think it is because of that, that it is so easy to see that you, others as well, act just like the other side. You are one in the same, just with a different point of view.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Lucasfilm moto- "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is"

That's actually pretty funny!

[Beast]

Originally Posted by harry keogh

You, for too many damn pages of this thread to count.
I don't have anything against the PT or SE's, but I want the OT as well. I think it is because of that, that it is so easy to see that you, others as well, act just like the other side. You are one in the same, just with a different point of view.

It's a discussion forum. We're discussion different points of view. Would be a pretty boring place if everyone agreed.
The OT versions are available for those that want them. Betamax, VHS, Laserdisc, and DVD. And he didn't order Stormtroopers to destroy those.
Many of us who disagree with seeing the original cuts released, do so because we support Lucas having his rights as the artist and creator.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Beast

It's a discussion forum. We're discussion different points of view. Would be a pretty boring place if everyone agreed.
The OT versions are available for those that want them. Betamax, VHS, Laserdisc, and DVD. And he didn't order Stormtroopers to destroy those.
Many of us who disagree with seeing the original cuts released, do so because we support Lucas having his rights as the artist and creator.

Agree with that.

[harry keogh]

Originally Posted by Beast

It's a discussion forum. We're discussion different points of view.
The OT versions are available for those that want them. Betamax, VHS, Laserdisc, and DVD.
Many of us disagree with seeing the original cuts released, because we support Lucas having his rights as the artist and creator.

Pure horse shit. I am not going down that road with you. Your view is selfish. You learned your "discussion" strategy well from the pratts in Washington. Instead of actually expanding your mind, and looking further into the situation at hand, you deflect the question into an attack on the other view point. You learned the strategy well.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

Give me the originals in their former non-effed with glory or give me death.

You're guaranteed to eventually get death.

Not much chance on the other one, though, so guess you're gonna have to pass.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by harry keogh

Pure horse shit. I am not going down that road with you. Your view is selfish. You learned your "discussion" strategy well from the pratts in Washington. Instead of actually expanding your mind, and looking further into the situation at hand, you deflect the question into an attack on the other view point. You learned the strategy well.

Why is it so wrong to support GL and LFL? I support star wars and GL and LFL. Is their anything wrong with that I don't think their is.