Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by octagon

He didn't talk about the rights of artists, he talked about the public interest.

Bingo!

That's it right there.

'Hypocrisy' at it's finest.


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[Geologist]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Bluyoda:


Here you go bud-


Star Wars Special Edition Changes HD




While I agree that some of the changes are much better, still quite a few of them are either meh or downright bad. Now if he fixes the 'color balance', 'contrast' and 'crushed blacks' problems for the new BDs, that could help out a few of those newer scenes.


For instance, I LOVE the new dusk sky in this shot below, however I hate how a lot of the detail disappears from this scene now due to the bad 'black levels'.

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Thanks for the link - that was very enjoyable to look through.

Interesting is that a lot of the changes were improvements and not changing the story but just replacing background mattes and other paintings. Still a very nice work by the person who did all those screenshots!

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

I read the entire context, and I can assure you I'm neither ignorant, dumb, nor deceitful. Great effort though -- don't address the merits of the post, just attach the poster. lol

Welcome to the internet.

Personally, I don't care what Lucas does with his films. They are his to alter however he sees fit. That said, I agree that the original theatrical releases should be preserved, as they are genuine part of Americana. I've said it before and I'm saying it yet again... Some changes I personally like and some I don't. Some make sense, add to the saga as a whole and/or fix imperfections, while some are completely superficial, detract from the story, ruin continuity or character development and/or simply look out of place compared with the remainder of the film in question. I'm not whining about what we do or do not get in the BD release... I own copies of the original, unaltered versions. I own the remastered copies. I own the special editions. I don't really need them again, especially if thyey are only to preserve the past. They do that just fine by sitting on my shelf. What I do take issue with are the constant, small changes. How many times have we heard, or are yet to hear What you're getting this time are the films I meant to make.? I just wish GL would figure out what he truly wants done to them, then does it. At that point, yes, I would want a set that contains the unaltered (but cleaned up) originals & the final versions. Then, all these little, in-between minor tweaks & untweaks, changes, rechanges & unchanges can get thrown out the friggin' window.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Geologist

Thanks for the link - that was very enjoyable to look through.

Interesting is that a lot of the changes were improvements and not changing the story but just replacing background mattes and other paintings. Still a very nice work by the person who did all those screenshots!

Yep, that's a great breakdown of the changes and is a potent reminder - if people didn't realise by now - that the old and new versions could not be seamlessly branched because there are so many changes.

Another little SE titbit: many of the changes to the Death Star battle were suggested by Dennis Muren and ILM, and not Lucas. It's funny, really; while the internets debate rages on about preserving the original work etc, the actual people who did the shots were first in line when it came to making the changes.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by octagon

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000184/bio

"I am very concerned about our national heritage, and I am very concerned that the films that I watched when I was young and the films that I watched throughout my life are preserved, so that my children can see them."

You don't see any irony at all there? Not even a little?

Context, which you didn't paste in from your link: "expressing concern over the Colorization of black & white films." Specifically, it's regarding the colorization with the authorization of third parties and not the original artists. Do you not see a distinction there? Not even a little one? Did you think that wasn't at all important to include before you justify your conclusion on irony that isn't there?

Besides which we've already been over that exact same quote no less than 2 or 3 times, at least, in this very thread and already debated it. It wasn't in context then and it's not now, despite your attempt to justify getting the UOT in this blu-ray release, which noone really thinks you're getting.

I suppose we can discuss the business relevance (or lack thereof) again and how most people are going to buy this regardless of whether the UOT is included or not and that it's only a very tiny group of die hards who won't buy it when it's not.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Uxi

...I suppose we can discuss the business relevance (or lack thereof) again and how most people are going to buy this regardless of whether the UOT is included or not and that it's only a very tiny group of die hards who won't buy it when it's not.

Personally, it would be nice to have, but I wouldn't pay any extra to have the UOT at this point. Even if it were to be included, it probably wouldn't get many, if any viewings other than for comparison purposes.

I just wonder what everyone is going to have to say when/if the PT gets altered as well.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Are you ignorant of or just ignoring the context of his statement, which was about altering the work of other people? You're either being dumb or deceitful by taking that quote out of context... not sure which is worse.

Exactly. People tend to overlook that. But that's no shock around here. Considering the silly arguments that pop up.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Personally, it would be nice to have, but I wouldn't pay any extra to have the UOT at this point. Even if it were to be included, it probably wouldn't get many, if any viewings other than for comparison purposes.

I just wonder what everyone is going to have to say when/if the PT gets altered as well.

The PT has already been altered for this release but as long as they pretty much left things the way they were the last time I saw it, I should be good to go.

[JamesKurtovich]

Whether it's the creator or someone else, the film still isn't being preserved.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

I just wonder what everyone is going to have to say when/if the PT gets altered as well.

The PT has already been changed from the theatrical versions.

The Phantom Menace with the most tweaks and enhancements, Attack of the Clones with a few, and Rvenege of the Sith with one changed shot.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Whether it's the creator or someone else, the film still isn't being preserved.

The film is being preserved as the creator and artist wants it to be.

People always seem to conveniently forget what that testimony was about. Big surprise.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Whether it's the creator or someone else, the film still isn't being preserved.

Pretty sure the OT is already in the Library of Congress, not sure on the PT. Just hoping that since it seems 3 was the last film, new generations continue to learn about this fantastic movie series.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

The PT has already been altered for this release but as long as they pretty much left things the way they were the last time I saw it, I should be good to go.

Is there a list of exactly what has been done to the PT? I know GL said he wants to introduce Grevous in Clones, rather than Sith. Is that one alteration? That's the only one I remember hearing rumors about.

Personally, I think Dooku needs a better introduction as well. Padme throwing his name out of nowhere was kind of abrupt. Count Dooku... Who the Hell is Count Dooku?

[Beast]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Is there a list of exactly what has been done to the PT? I know GL said he wants to introduce Grevous in Clones, rather than Sith. Is that one alteration? That's the only one I remember hearing rumors about.

Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace DVD Release

* Sebulba's subtitles during his enraged talk with Anakin originally read, "You won't walk away from this one, Skywalker... you slave scum!". For the DVD, "Skywalker" was removed from the subtitle, since Sebulba does not actually say Anakin's last name in the scene.
* Watto's celebratory cry of "Sebulba!" is removed.
* The podracing sequence is extended. Such enhancements include a scene with Anakin facing off with Gasgano, Anakin losing one of his engines, only to recover it, and more.
* The air taxi sequence is reincorporated.
* Orn Free Taa's human aides are replaced by Twi'leks.

Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones DVD Release

* Several speeders were removed from a shot during the Bounty Hunter pursuit scene.
* New dialogue added to the scene where Anakin confesses to the Tusken slaughter.
* After Padmé falls out of the gunship on Geonosis, a clone trooper asks if she is all right. Her alert response of "Yes" has been changed to a more realistically groggy "Uh-huh."
* Anakin's mechanical hand now holds Padmé's hand during the closing wedding sequence (this was originally included in the DLP theatrical release of the film, but not in the 35 mm film version).
* Jedi Coleman Trebor confronts Count Dooku on the lookout balcony during the battle of Geonosis. Trebor is instantly shot dead by Jango Fett. The following shot shows Jango twirling his blaster pistol before slotting it back into his holster. In the theatrical release, this was a solo shot of Jango, but the widescreen version of the DVD has Count Dooku in the foreground, smiling as Jango twirls his pistol.
* Moments before Mace Windu decapitates Jango Fett, sparks and a slight puff of smoke from Jango's jetpack can be seen, signifying that his jetpack malfunctioned.

Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith DVD Release

* Despite Lucasfilm's official statement that there were absolutely no changes made to the theatrical version of the film, the November 1, 2005 DVD release of Revenge of the Sith had one slight change from the theatrical cut. In the scene where a shot transitions to Anakin crawling up the lava bank, the original theatrical release used a wipe effect from the shot of Obi-Wan and C-3PO in the cockpit of Padmé's ship leaving Mustafar to Anakin's mechanical hand grasping at the volcanic soil, whereas the DVD instead uses a straight cut from the Padmé's ship shot to that of Anakin.

[Beast]

In regard to Jango Fett's backpack, it actually was visibly damaged in the theatrical version also. But most people didn't notice it, so it left many wondering why he didn't just fly away from Mace. So for the DVD they added more effects to it to make sure that the point was clear.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Beast

Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace DVD Release

* Sebulba's subtitles during his enraged talk with Anakin originally read, "You won't walk away from this one, Skywalker... you slave scum!". For the DVD, "Skywalker" was removed from the subtitle, since Sebulba does not actually say Anakin's last name in the scene.
* Watto's celebratory cry of "Sebulba!" is removed.
* The podracing sequence is extended. Such enhancements include a scene with Anakin facing off with Gasgano, Anakin losing one of his engines, only to recover it, and more.
* The air taxi sequence is reincorporated.
* Orn Free Taa's human aides are replaced by Twi'leks.

Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones DVD Release

* Several speeders were removed from a shot during the Bounty Hunter pursuit scene.
* New dialogue added to the scene where Anakin confesses to the Tusken slaughter.
* After Padmé falls out of the gunship on Geonosis, a clone trooper asks if she is all right. Her alert response of "Yes" has been changed to a more realistically groggy "Uh-huh."
* Anakin's mechanical hand now holds Padmé's hand during the closing wedding sequence (this was originally included in the DLP theatrical release of the film, but not in the 35 mm film version).
* During their duel on Kamino, a shot of Jango Fett headbutting Obi-Wan is removed from the UK version of the DVD.
* Jedi Coleman Trebor confronts Count Dooku on the lookout balcony during the battle of Geonosis. Trebor is instantly shot dead by Jango Fett. The following shot shows Jango twirling his blaster pistol before slotting it back into his holster. In the theatrical release, this was a solo shot of Jango, but the widescreen version of the DVD has Count Dooku in the foreground, smiling as Jango twirls his pistol.
* Moments before Mace Windu decapitates Jango Fett, sparks and a slight puff of smoke from Jango's jetpack can be seen, signifying that his jetpack malfunctioned.

Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith DVD Release

* Despite Lucasfilm's official statement that there were absolutely no changes made to the theatrical version of the film, the November 1, 2005 DVD release of Revenge of the Sith had one slight change from the theatrical cut. In the scene where a shot transitions to Anakin crawling up the lava bank, the original theatrical release used a wipe effect from the shot of Obi-Wan and C-3PO in the cockpit of Padmé's ship leaving Mustafar to Anakin's mechanical hand grasping at the volcanic soil, whereas the DVD instead uses a straight cut from the Padmé's ship shot to that of Anakin.

Thanks. I'd forgotten most of those changes had been made for the DVDs.

My question is are there more alterations for the BD release?

[Beast]

Dunno. We'll have to wait and see. I wish they'd restore the "Foundation of the Rebellion" scene to RotS though.



I also wouldn't mind seeing the scene of Yoda's shuttle landing on Dagobah either. It would be a nice connecting scene.



Great source of the various deleted scenes: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Scene...from_Star_Wars

[IndefinentBlu]

Does anyone remember playing this arcade game:

http://arcade-museum.com/images/118/1181242172216.jpg

Good times back then.good times!

[P@t_Mtl]

I remember this

http://www.gamasutra.com/db_area/ima.../4127/0804.png

[Beast]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I remember this

http://www.gamasutra.com/db_area/ima.../4127/0804.png

So do I. Thanks for making me feel old.