Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Jlennerth]

I just read on Amazon.com that the 3original 1970's films will be in 4x3 format. Is this true? I cancelled my pre-order. PM me if you know if this travesty is true.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by Jlennerth

I just read on Amazon.com that the 3original 1970's films will be in 4x3 format. Is this true? I cancelled my pre-order. PM me if you know if this travesty is true.

I doubt that is true amazon sometimes does not post correct spec info i would wait before you cancel as we get closer to release we will know all the specs.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Jlennerth

I just read on Amazon.com that the 3original 1970's films will be in 4x3 format. Is this true? I cancelled my pre-order. PM me if you know if this travesty is true.

It's been mentioned (we joked around for a couple of posts lol) before but Amazon are notorious for getting technical specifications wrong. I wouldn't worry about it. We'll have 2.35:1 for the BD's. The 70mm re-releases were 2.20:1 but I don't think we've ever had home versions with that aspect ratio.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Quite the contrary. My point (which you once again missed... your stellar reading comprehension skills at work again) is that even people of your generation were laughing at this character. Again, it came across as laughing in a negative light. So, my point is that if Lucas made these movies for kids, and the people who were kids when they came out are reacting to this character in a similar manner at the older, OT fans. So, it just goes to show that he made a bad decision in making this character the way that he did.

If anything, the opinions of people of your generation are arguably just as, if not more important on this matter, since they were the supposed target audience with these movies (being kids at the time of release).

You are right, the PT was made for children. Plain and simple, as it was a way to branch off into other products (toys, video games, the cartoon, so on and so forth). Lucas did a great job by having the PT grow with the fans it was designed for.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Jay444

You are right, the PT was made for children. Plain and simple, as it was a way to branch off into other products (toys, video games, the cartoon, so on and so forth). Lucas did a great job by having the PT grow with the fans it was designed for.

Not if they are laughing (meaning making fun of) the characters that are supposed to be targeted at them.

And I would argue that a good portion, if not the majority, of the toys were likely bought up by the adult audience.

[Blu-Runner]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Quite the contrary. My point (which you once again missed... your stellar reading comprehension skills at work again) is that even people of your generation were laughing at this character. Again, it came across as laughing in a negative light. So, my point is that if Lucas made these movies for kids, and the people who were kids when they came out are reacting to this character in a similar manner at the older, OT fans. So, it just goes to show that he made a bad decision in making this character the way that he did.

You're one to talk, almighty "Dynamo of Eternia."

I understood Greg. Don't be too critical or condescending of others; don't take yourself too seriously, either.

One of your sentences could use some minor work.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Blu-Runner

You're one to talk, almighty "Dynamo of Eternia."

The name isn't meant the way that you are taking it. Do we really want to go the route of making comments about each others screen names? Do you really want to go there?

I understood Greg. Don't be too critical or condescending of others; don't take yourself too seriously, either.

I don't take myself too seriously. I'm just making a point on the matter at hand, that's all. He did completely miss the point that I was making by mixing up a kid being picked on with a class clown, which are two VERY different things.

One of your sentences could use some minor work.

I do make typos from time to time. Nobody is perfect, and I don't claim to be, and I never have. I often type out my posts quickly, and as a result, a typo or two end up in the mix. I don't blame people for the occasional minor typo or grammar that isn't perfect. 99.9% of the time it should still be easy to understand what is being said. I'm not criticizing him for his grammar or anything like that... just him completely missing the point of what I said in the first place.

[tilapiah6]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

The name isn't meant the way that you are taking it. Do we really want to go the route of making comments about each others screen names? Do you really want to go there?

Oh no you didn't!

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Jay444

You are right, the PT was made for children. Plain and simple, as it was a way to branch off into other products (toys, video games, the cartoon, so on and so forth). Lucas did a great job by having the PT grow with the fans it was designed for.

They were ALL made for children. My dad doesn't have near as much of an investment in the OT as I do(we saw them all together. I remember as a kid being wrapped around the building several times for RotJ. Saw TESB and ANH with my family in drive throughs, though I was too young to really remember ANH being only a toddler at the time

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Sith

Sidious was of course anti-alien.

That was just a trick he used to string along the human racists in the Core Worlds and stew some fear, anger, and hatred to get those dark side juices flowing for him to feed off of.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Uxi

They were ALL made for children. My dad doesn't have near as much of an investment in the OT as I do(we saw them all together. I remember as a kid being wrapped around the building several times for RotJ. Saw TESB and ANH with my family in drive throughs, though I was too young to really remember ANH being only a toddler at the time

Something that is easy to forget after close to 40 years

[the sordid sentinel]

Originally Posted by Uxi

They were ALL made for children. My dad doesn't have near as much of an investment in the OT as I do(we saw them all together. I remember as a kid being wrapped around the building several times for RotJ. Saw TESB and ANH with my family in drive throughs, though I was too young to really remember ANH being only a toddler at the time

Had the same experience with ROTJ. That was before the huge multiplex days and the showings at the nearest (30 miles) theater were sold out beyond belief. I saw Wargames (which I also love) instead and came back to see ROTJ a couple of weeks later. It was agonizing knowing most of my friends had seen it and I hadn't. I was 14 at the time. Good times.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

No hostility here... just honest observation on the issue at hand. The way that I see it, being somewhat famous for something that is generally considered positive is much better than being even more famous for something negative.

And my argument didn't involve a "class clown"... it involved someone getting picked on a lot. A class clown is typically laughed at for being funny (kind of like a stand up comedian), as opposed to someone getting picked on, which is generally a negative thing, with the other students putting that person down. That's a pretty big differece there. The analogy makes sense because people tend to laugh at and make fun of Jar Jar in a manner similar to how people make fun of and put down the 'less popular' students (not that I agree with treating people that way in real life, but it happens, and it's a logical comparison). You seemed to have missed the overall point, but based on you referencing a "class clown" that was never in my argument, I'll just chalk it up to questionable reading comprehension skills on your part.

Jar Jar may be a well known pop culture Icon, but it's not for very positive reasons.

The way that you wrote your post indicated that the laughing was not out of love for the character. The general tone of your post seemed to be "They laughed at Jar Jar, but...". If I misinterpreted that, I apologize, but that's how it came across, and based on other subsequent posts from other people here, it seems I'm not the only one who took it that way. If they were laughing in a positive light in favor of the character, you did a poor job of expressing that.

As for the OT character part, get back to me on that when and if a situation comes up with everyone laughing at an OT character.



Quite the contrary. My point (which you once again missed... your stellar reading comprehension skills at work again) is that even people of your generation were laughing at this character. Again, it came across as laughing in a negative light. So, my point is that if Lucas made these movies for kids, and the people who were kids when they came out are reacting to this character in a similar manner at the older, OT fans. So, it just goes to show that he made a bad decision in making this character the way that he did.

If anything, the opinions of people of your generation are arguably just as, if not more important on this matter, since they were the supposed target audience with these movies (being kids at the time of release).

I guess this high school valedictorian with a full scholarship to UCLA is too dumb to understand the all mighty Dynamo of Eternia. Just an FYI, when people have weak arguments, they typically resort to personal attacks against their opponent, as you so eloquently showcased in your post. When not staunchly defending your opinions and insulting my reading comprehension skills, half of your arguments are based off of presumptions. I apologize for using the phrase "class clown" as that seemed to have set you off on a tangent. However, the analogy about a kid being picked on in class versus the quiet kid is still a weak one, despite how well you think it comes across. As for you and the one or two others who misinterpreted my original post, it is quite clear that you let your presumptions affect how you interpreted it. My exact quote was, "In my Physiology class today, my professor made a reference to Jar Jar Binks and everybody laughed." There is no indication one way or the other that the laughter was the result of being at the expense of Jar Jar's character. I am not going to put into question your reading comprehension skills because that is just stupid. We are debating Star Wars here. Maybe it's time to lighten up, just a little. I've only responded to you, giving your posts credence perhaps more than it deserves, because quite honestly you seem to be a bully.

You want to know why a lot of people don't post anything positive about the PT here? Because they get pounced on and attacked for their opinions. Not just you specifically, but a small group of critics here who think their opinions trump all others. Happy posting.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Because of what a huge juggernaut Star Wars was due to the success of the OT (in which the original movie changed how movies were made, how special effects were done, and was more or less the birth of the blockbuster)

Originally Posted by nathan_393

The only thing I'd disagree with you on is that Jaws created the blockbuster, particularly the summer blockbuster.

While Jaws saved Universal (first film to do $100 million) and Star Wars IV saved Fox from financial ruin, neither were the first "blockbusters". The 1933 King Kong was a blockbuster (although it didn't make the list of the top 220 films in terms of admissions) and was the only film to have ever played both Radio City Music Hall and the Roxy (which was right down the street) at the same time for a total of 12,000 potential customers per show. Likewise, the 1939 Gone With The Wind was a blockbuster as was 1965's Sound of Music.

And while films today take in remarkable amounts of revenue, the peak year for movie admissions in the United States was 1945 (in spite of a much smaller population: 308 million today vs. 132 million in 1945). Gone With The Wind had a total of 206 million theatrical admission in the U.S. - no other film has ever achieved that -- Star Wars (#2) had 197 million, Sound of Music (#3) had 153 million, Jaws (#8) had 122 million, Avatar (#23) had 81 million.

It is possible that the a 3D theatrical release of Star Wars IV will move it to the #1 position.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Uxi

They were ALL made for children. My dad doesn't have near as much of an investment in the OT as I do(we saw them all together. I remember as a kid being wrapped around the building several times for RotJ. Saw TESB and ANH with my family in drive throughs, though I was too young to really remember ANH being only a toddler at the time

I agree with this as well, I mean, c'mon who didn't have Star Wars figures but I think the OT was a bit more mature is all (ya know, no poo-doo comments and the like). Was still aimed at kids but I think the early teens more or less. Luke, as whiney as he was, represented teen angst (I want to do something to make the world a better place!). Anakin in the PTM, was just a wide eyed child.

I don't remember seeing Star Wars in the theater, but I know I did. I have very similar memories of the line to see ROTJ. Was an amazing experience, back when you couldn't buy tickets in advance! Old skool! LOL.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Greg, I apologize for any harshness in my reply. I'm not looking for a fight here, I'm just expressing my thoughts on the matter.

Originally Posted by greg_achen

My exact quote was, "In my Physiology class today, my professor made a reference to Jar Jar Binks and everybody laughed." There is no indication one way or the other that the laughter was the result of being at the expense of Jar Jar's character.

Fair enoug. But I am curious... which was it? Laughing "with him", or laughing "at him"?

You want to know why a lot of people don't post anything positive about the PT here? Because they get pounced on and attacked for their opinions. Not just you specifically, but a small group of critics here who think their opinions trump all others. Happy posting.

I would say that Beast (who is very pro-PT) is far more guilty of acting in a manner in which his opinion 'trumps all others' more so than any PT 'basher'.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Jay444

You are right, the OT was made for children. Plain and simple, as it was a way to branch off into other products (toys, video games, the Holiday Special, cast appearences on Sesame Street and The Muppet Show, so on and so forth). Lucas did a great job by having the OT grow with the fans it was designed for.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Yeah, I think beast and starkiller are so loud because they're so alone.

Well, you see, now you know what your problem is right there. Quit it before you hurt yourself.

[Moviefan2k4]

Well, I consider myself to be a "moderate" Star Wars fan, and I like the prequels, Jar Jar included. In fact, I was disappointed that Lucas caved in to others' pressure about the character, especially after so many years of talking about "his vision" for the series. Jar Jar was a much-needed comic relief for the PT, especially considering how dark events would get in Episodes II & III. I wasn't happy at all that Lucas essentially made Binks the founder of the Empire in Episode II, and went even further by only giving him a cameo in III. Lucas seemed so happy with "his vision", but then he basically sold out when folks started complaining. I know Jar Jar's screen time needed to be reduced over "Clones" and "Sith", but did it really need to happen so quickly?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

...but did it really need to happen so quickly?

It really did