Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

I was able to ignore Greedo shooting first.

I was able to ignore Jabba's new musical revue. I even, God help me, may have defended it.

I will not be able to ignore any CG tampering with Yoda in Empire. The phrase "deal breaker" undersells it by leaps and bounds. As with many people, The Empire Strikes Back is my absolute, all-time, everlasting favourite film. If this were to happen, aside from the initial weeks of weeping, I'll subsequently be in a bad mood for decades. DECADES.

Naturally everyone's entitled to their opinion, but boy oh boy, grizzly bears will hear my shriek from miles away and bolt in terror.

I doubt they'll care, either.

Seriously, though, the Muppet needs to go. Middle ground would be CGI enhancement without completely replacing it. Walking, climbing, etc but also the face is very... muppet-ish unlike the Ep3 CGI model.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

After watching a few minutes of that review, I realized why this guy wanted GL to keep the PT simple... It's all he can grasp. Seriously, the guy sounds like a low grade moron.

Pretty much. People make the excuse that he's doing a funny voice and such to try to be entertaining.

His reviews arn't worth the time spent to watch them. It's just the usual fanboy whining and crying.

He makes Anakin and Luke's whiny nature look mature by comparison. Heh.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Beast

Pretty much. People make the excuse that he's doing a funny voice and such to try to be entertaining.

His reviews arn't worth the time spent to watch them. It's just the usual fanboy whining and crying.

He makes Anakin and Luke's whiny nature look mature by comparison. Heh.

More Luke than Anakin. I mean hell, Anakin took getting his arm chopped off more like a man than Luke did gettin his hand chopped off. But, I agree. Anakin and Luke on their whiniest day don't compare to that guy, or the UOTWE's for that matter.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

More Luke than Anakin. I mean hell, Anakin took getting his arm chopped off more like a man than Luke did gettin his hand chopped off. But, I agree. Anakin and Luke on their whiniest day don't compare to that guy, or the UOTWE's for that matter.

First off the scene in EP 2 when Anakin gets his hand cut off did not seem right he showed no emotion it was like it did not even affect him.

[IndefinentBlu]

I wonder if Lucas will show us the scene in EP2 when N'SYNC comes in at the end during the battle.

I remember hearing about that but Lucas cut that scene.

**NOTE**

I AM NOT, I REPEAT NOT AN N'SYNC FAN.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

First off the scene in EP 2 when Anakin gets his hand cut off did not seem right he showed no emotion it was like it did not even affect him.

First off, not sure what version your watching, but on my AOTC DVD, it clearly shows (more like its heard) that it did "affect" him. He just didn't whine like a ***** about it like Luke. Go watch the scene again.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

First off the scene in EP 2 when Anakin gets his hand cut off did not seem right he showed no emotion it was like it did not even affect him.

Ummm? What?

He's immediately knocked unconscious.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Ummm? What?

He's immediately knocked unconscious.

I thought Dooku knocked him out when he force threw him into Kenobi.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

First off, not sure what version your watching, but on my AOTC DVD, it clearly shows (more like its heard) that it did "affect" him. He just didn't whine like a ***** about it like Luke. Go watch the scene again.

You're right buddy i meant that he did not show the same kind of emotion that Luke showed and i notice in EP3 DOOKU did not whine also.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

First off the scene in EP 2 when Anakin gets his hand cut off did not seem right he showed no emotion it was like it did not even affect him.

He was knock unconcious right away, what reaction did you want him to have? I am not a medical expert but most people losing conciousness don't have much reactions except maybe lose certain body fonctions, did you want to see him shat his pants?

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

You're right buddy i meant that he did not show the same kind of emotion that Luke showed and i notice in EP3 DOOKU did not whine also.

Not much whining anyone can do with their head chopped off. And, you're right. Anakin "did not show the same kind of emotion that Luke showed." Hence, Anakin took it like a man while Luke whined like a *****.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

Not much whining anyone can do with their head chopped off.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

That seen in Episode II is also a prime example of how Lucas trying to parallel the OT in the PT was rather weak in many ways.

Yes, that scene mirrors the OT in the most superficial, visual manor. But it COMPLETELY lacks the emotion of the equivalent scene in ESB.

Yes, Anakin looses his hand like Luke did. However, that whole scene in ESB was a major revelation to Luke about Vader being his father. It was a major, pivital turning point for his character.

Aside from Anakin losing his hand, the AOTC battle didn't hold any meaning for him.

Frankly (regardless of whether it were to have happened at the end of Episode II, or sometime in Episode III, or whatever), I think it would have been more appropriate if Palpatine had cut off Anakin's hand. I would require the reworking of the overall PT, but I think it would have been more appropriate if Anakin had basically discovered the Sith Lord (without yet knowing it was Palpatine... he would basically have his face covered by his hood), battle him, and lose his hand in that battle, just as he discovers the Sith Lord's true identity. Now THAT would have been a powerful seen.


But most of the visual parallels that Lucas makes between the OT and PT really lack the same emotion and/or meaning the the respective trilogies, and instead are just about as superficial and generic as can be.

[Geoff D]

Dynamo, you're being a bit harsh about the 'mirror' aspects of the films, as IMO there's some clever stuff going on at times. But you're so, so right about the character introductions, and TylerDurden above mentioned the OT Emperor as the perfect example of how to do it. Dooku and Grievous are not, and it kills the continuity between the films (which I've mentioned before is my #1 problem with the PT).

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

That seen in Episode II is also a prime example of how Lucas trying to parallel the OT in the PT was rather weak in many ways.

Parallel, more like surpassed when he had Yoda come in to face Dooku in a scene of ultimate badassery. Imagine what could have been in ESB if Yoda had went with Luke to Cloud City instead of hobbling his muppet ass along back on Dagobah. Oh what could have been.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

But most of the visual parallels that Lucas makes between the OT and PT really lack the same emotion and/or meaning the the respective trilogies, and instead are just about as superficial and generic as can be.

They had to earn the name "Star Wars" somehow. What better way than to take well known stuff about the movies and "upgrade" them (Lucas style)? Obvious that the success of the PT relied heavily on the first trilogy.

I like how the strongest characters in the OT, Sidious and Yoda, don't need to perform flips or pull out sabers to convince the viewer they are incredibly powerful. RLM reviewer said something along the lines of, "We had a wise old Yoda who taught us about the Force and now we have a cartoony CGI Yoda that does video game shit." I lol'd.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

Parallel, more like surpassed when he had Yoda come in to face Dooku in a scene of ultimate badassery. Imagine what could have been in ESB if Yoda had went with Luke to Cloud City instead of hobbling his muppet ass along back on Dagobah. Oh what could have been.

Actually I do like the Yoda VS. Dooku battle. Finally seeing Yoda wield a light saber was a really awesome moment! To be honest, as lame as this will sound, I was actually 'gitty' the first time seeing it. But none the less, that portion of that scene really had nothing to do with the parallel to ESB. In terms of the emotion of the central charcter, Anakin had nothing on what Luke went through.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by whbinder

His review of the prequel trilogy is over four hours long. That's enough time to get into some pretty deep analysis. In that time I don't think he claims the films should be simpler, simply that the complexity doesn't always add up; that there are many logical holes and thematic oversights.

Four hours discussing films you hate?

I don't care if someone hates the prequels, but obsessing over something you hate just seems weird. At least with people who blindly and perhaps illogically love the prequels are obsessing over something they love. Some Star Wars fans I will just never understand. Some make the films deeper and better than they really are and some characterize them as far worse than the reality of it. And then there are those in the middle who appreciate the films for what they are; perfectly imperfect escapist entertainment.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

They had to earn the name "Star Wars" somehow. What better way than to take well known stuff about the movies and "upgrade" them (Lucas style)? Obvious that the success of the PT relied heavily on the first trilogy.

I like how the strongest characters in the OT, Sidious and Yoda, don't need to perform flips or pull out sabers to convince the viewer they are incredibly powerful. RLM reviewer said something along the lines of, "We had a wise old Yoda who taught us about the Force and now we have a cartoony CGI Yoda that does video game shit." I lol'd.

For me that's one of the more ironic things about the two trilogies.

Ewan McGregor did a fantastic job connecting his Obi-wan with Alec Guinness' Obi-wan but the PT Yoda not only seemed disconnected from the OT Yoda, it seemed somehow discordant...more like a reboot than a continuous storyline.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

I thought Dooku knocked him out when he force threw him into Kenobi.

Yes, it was *chop* - *slam* (like the commercial, only in reverse). Anakin didn't have time to react.

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Four hours discussing films you hate?

Well, just look at this thread, posts upon posts of people discussing films they hate. Red Letter Media is the ultimate fanboy.