Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Finally we have an official release date for the star wars saga on blu-ray. Now all we are waiting for is the blu-ray content announcement.

I thought it was september 27th 2011

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

I thought it was september 27th 2011

it's september 16th check out starwars.com

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by chip75

I wonder what was the Dagobah timeline? Was it over the afternoon or did it take several days? He was a quick study though as Yoda thought with more training he would be able to confront Vader and the Emperor.

What do you guys think hours, days or weeks?

So why did Yoda tell him (in RotJ) that he needed no more training? It couldn't have been because he'd already faced Vader at that point, because we all know what a bang-up job Luke did with that encounter.

I'm guessing it was a few days, even though that doesn't seem to jive with other events. I say "seem to jive" because we can't be sure how long the other events took either... How long exactly were Han & Leia being held on Bespin?

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

it's september 16th check out starwars.com

AWESOME.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

So why did Yoda tell him (in RotJ) that he needed no more training? It couldn't have been because he'd already faced Vader at that point, because we all know what a bang-up job Luke did with that encounter.

Those two things seem to contradict eachother, in TESB he was told he wasn't quite ready and then in RotJ he needed no more training. Perhaps Yoda thought he'd had his hand chopped off what's the worst that could happen? I wouldn't have minded a heads up on the Force Lightning though....

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

But those were just speculations and not official confirmations. And that was a logical speculation in terms of making the films more consistent.

Heck, I had assumed on my own (though I'm sure I'm not the only one), with no specific information to back it up that the CGI on Jabba in ANH would be redone for the DVD because of how bad the 1997 version looked in general and especially compared to his appearance in TPM.

Most things were logical guesses at that point in time, and not anything concrete.

Official confirmations on what changes were made really didn't start coming out until some people got review copies of the DVDs in-hand.

And as I've said before, I doubt we are going to see too much in the way of bigger changes like Ian McDiarmid in ESB or Hayden in ROTJ in this go-around since they were pretty much taken care of in 2004. It will probably be more tweaking those special effects that still stick out (like the lightsabers), and things of that nature, and hopefully fixing some technical errors. Basically doing a nice, good, polished job on what they were trying to do in 2004 (which by moat accounts on the matter was relatively rushed). Maybe there will be an extra surprise or two in the mix (for better or for worse depending on what the changes are and what each person's perspective is on said change), but I'm not counting on anything really drastic.


I don't understand why so many people seem to think/assume that if changes were being made we would/should already know about them and that they would be highly publicized. The changes were done fairly silently in 2004. None of the promotion or advertising for them really mentioned it (in fact, it seemed to completely avoid the issue when and where possible), and it was mostly through reviews that this info came to light.

I guess you´re right! My big things I´d like to see are the
fixed Sabers (of course)
CGI Yoda in TPM
fixed Obi Wan braid (to the correct side)
fixed Mace Windu extra-face (when thy arrive on Naboo)
Dooku at Qui-Gon´s funeral
better clothes on Boss Nass ...

and that´s Episode 1 alone.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by chip75

Those two things seem to contradict eachother, in TESB he was told he wasn't quite ready and then in RotJ he needed no more training. Perhaps Yoda thought he'd had his hand chopped off what's the worst that could happen? I wouldn't have minded a heads up on the Force Lightning though....

Besides, things weren't so bad with the Empire in charge.

I just don't see how a few days of on the fly training made him almost ready to defeat Vader & the Emperor, when fully (years upon years) & properly trained Jedi like Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Master Yoda and all the stragglers left after the events of RotS couldn't. Hell, up until his meeting Ben on Taooine, Luke had never even heard of the Force.

Of course this is an area where PT haters fail to see an issue with their beloved OT... Sorry, I had to get that in.

[IndefinentBlu]

The Complete Saga Will have the UOT.

I called it remember!!

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

The Complete Saga Will have the UOT.

I called it remember!!

While it would be nice to have, I would never personally watch it.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

The Complete Saga Will have the UOT.

I called it remember!!

Again with the UOT...
Is it that graet to be able to see through the cockpit of the Snowspeeders?
I can see that the copy-boxes around the Tie-Fighters are amazing, but do you really need to see the smudge under Luke´s Landspeeder?

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

The Complete Saga Will have the UOT.

I called it remember!!

IF this happens (the key word being if), which I highly doubt that it will, it would most likely just be the existing transfers currently available on DVD ported over to Blu-Ray. It wouldn't be a proper remastering of the movies. So, it would effectively be pointless anyway.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Besides, things weren't so bad with the Empire in charge.

I just don't see how a few days of on the fly training made him almost ready to defeat Vader & the Emperor, when fully (years upon years) & properly trained Jedi like Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Master Yoda and all the stragglers left after the events of RotS couldn't. Hell, up until his meeting Ben on Taooine, Luke had never even heard of the Force.

Of course this is an area where PT haters fail to see an issue with their beloved OT... Sorry, I had to get that in.

I think they realized Yoda was dying and Luke wasn't going to learn anything significant before his battle with Vader that he didn't already know. Will say again though, those Younglings Vader slaughtered in 3 probably had a lot more training than Luke did and none of them would last 2 seconds against the Emperor or his apprentice.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

I think they realized Yoda was dying and Luke wasn't going to learn anything significant before his battle with Vader that he didn't already know. Will say again though, those Younglings Vader slaughtered in 3 probably had a lot more training than Luke did and none of them would last 2 seconds against the Emperor or his apprentice.

You're probably right. Yoda probably only told Luke he didn't need any more training because there was nowhere to actually get any. Might as well keep his hopes up. It beats saying... Well alright then, off you go to get horribly mamed, turned to the dark-side or straight off slaughtered. That more than likely wouldn't have helped.

That said, I don't think it mattered if they realized Yoda was dying, as they were pretty much on Luke's schedule at that point. He just happened to return the day Yoda died. Had he returned earlier, I'm sure there would have been more training.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Again with the UOT...
Is it that graet to be able to see through the cockpit of the Snowspeeders?
I can see that the copy-boxes around the Tie-Fighters are amazing, but do you really need to see the smudge under Luke´s Landspeeder?

While I know it technically wouldn't truly constitute being the "UOT", I honestly wouldn't mind a release of the original versions that simply corrected and recomposited the original special effects the way that they were done for the special editions (i.e. not seeing through the cockpits, no matte boxes around ships in space, no smudge under the land speeder), but have that be the extent of the 'changes'... leave out any new effects and CGI type of stuff. I believe they more or less did something along these lines for the original 3 Indiana Jones movies when they came out on DVD (though probably on a much smaller level).

I doubt that the whole Special Edition VS. Original Version debate would have ever become the issue that it has if this had been the extent of the changes made.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

While I know it technically wouldn't truly constitute being the "UOT", I honestly wouldn't mind a release of the original versions that simply corrected and recomposited the original special effects the way that they were done for the special editions (i.e. not seeing through the cockpits, no matte boxes around ships in space, no smudge under the land speeder), but have that be the extent of the 'changes'... leave out any new effects and CGI type of stuff. I believe they more or less did something along these lines for the original 3 Indiana Jones movies when they came out on DVD (though probably on a much smaller level).

I doubt that the whole Special Edition VS. Original Version debate would have ever become the issue that it has if this had been the extent of the changes made.

Basically cleaned up but unaltered?

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

While I know it technically wouldn't truly constitute being the "UOT", I honestly wouldn't mind a release of the original versions that simply corrected and recomposited the original special effects the way that they were done for the special editions (i.e. not seeing through the cockpits, no matte boxes around ships in space, no smudge under the land speeder), but have that be the extent of the 'changes'... leave out any new effects and CGI type of stuff. I believe they more or less did something along these lines for the original 3 Indiana Jones movies when they came out on DVD (though probably on a much smaller level).

I doubt that the whole Special Edition VS. Original Version debate would have ever become the issue that it has if this had been the extent of the changes made.

Hopefully that will never happen!

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Basically cleaned up but unaltered?

Yeah, pretty much. Though it depends on how you define "unaltered". My understanding (and anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong) is that even the original effects that remain in the Special Editions (i.e. the Snowspeeders) were recomposited using modern digital technology. That's how they were able to make it so that you don't see through the cockpits (for example), and helped to layer things better so that they look like they actually fit together in the same scene (as opposed to that effect that some older special effects have where they look like they were 'added in'.... kind of like the odd look on older sitcoms where they would use camera tricks to have the same actor play 2 characters on screen at once).

So, technically some modern technology comes into play, which some might argue is altering the original work. But, to me it would be original enough.

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Hopefully that will never happen!

Why? I'm not saying these should replace the newest special editions or whatever, but it would be nice to get the 'original versions' in the best looking manner possible. I don't see why this would be any more horrible than if Lucas simply remastered the UOT but still composited the effects the old fashioned way with all of the 'warts' that go with them.

Even if you prefer the newest versions with the changes, additions, etc, this wouldn't prevent you from having those. I fail to see how something existing along the lines of what I am saying would prevent you from enjoying your preferred versions.

[IndefinentBlu]

Hey guys answer this very important question:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/general-ch...hot-first.html

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

Hey guys answer this very important question:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/general-ch...hot-first.html

I already did.

I'll copy & paste my post here...

It should be Han.

1: I refuse to believe Greedo could have possibly missed with that setup. Had he truly shot first, Han would be dead.

2: Han was a rouge, a scoundrel, a criminal, a pirate, etc. He knew what was about to happen. Of course (given the opportunity) he shot first.

Plotwise, this was the biggest mistake GL made when altering the OT. Visually, that honor would have to go to Jabba in ANH.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by IndefinentBlu

Hey guys answer this very important question:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/general-ch...hot-first.html

How important can that question be if you, as the person asking it, gave the answer of "who cares"?