Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Simon_LDT]

Originally Posted by chesneyvp

What is UOT?

Unaltered Original Trilogy?

I'm wondering too, heh, but I think thats it.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Kinetic_Blue

Not arguing either.
In fact, When I saw Episode 2 in the cinema, BOTH Palpatine and Sidious are technically "on screen" at the same time.
Tyrannus lands, meets Sidious - The Sky is deep red/orange, and also note the sun position
Now the scene switches to Palpatine and Organa overlooking the CloneTroopers boarding the ships, same exact time of day.

Those 2 scenes made me believe that Palpatine was NOT sidious, at least until a few months before episode 3 when i was in Wal*Mart and saw the action figure of Sidious changing into Palpatine that was left at the register....

That's Lucas' problem though, he has always had timeline problems...

I think everybody can agree on that.

Originally Posted by Simon_LDT

Unaltered Original Trilogy?

I'm wondering too, heh, but I think thats it.

Yup, that's what it is.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by chesneyvp

What is UOT?

Star Wars

Before Lucas messed it up.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Star Wars

Before Lucas messed it up.

I think a lot of things needed to be fixed. Some still do.

I also think he screwed some things up.

Hopefully the BD releases will fix both original & SE faults.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Why? I'm not saying these should replace the newest special editions or whatever, but it would be nice to get the 'original versions' in the best looking manner possible. I don't see why this would be any more horrible than if Lucas simply remastered the UOT but still composited the effects the old fashioned way with all of the 'warts' that go with them.

Even if you prefer the newest versions with the changes, additions, etc, this wouldn't prevent you from having those. I fail to see how something existing along the lines of what I am saying would prevent you from enjoying your preferred versions.

I´m not a big fan of multiple versions of one movie being released at the same time ...it´s like the filmmaker can´t decide on which version of his own movie is the best or official one to him. I don´t see the point. If a filmmaker manages to make the final cut why should the subsequent versions be released? Audiences should not be able to decide between versions.
In the case of Star Wars especially it doesn´t really make sense to me. There is no extended and theatrical cut but an abandoned and an almost finished cut.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by Kinetic_Blue

Not arguing either.
In fact, When I saw Episode 2 in the cinema, BOTH Palpatine and Sidious are technically "on screen" at the same time.
Tyrannus lands, meets Sidious - The Sky is deep red/orange, and also note the sun position
Now the scene switches to Palpatine and Organa overlooking the CloneTroopers boarding the ships, same exact time of day.

Those 2 scenes made me believe that Palpatine was NOT sidious, at least until a few months before episode 3 when i was in Wal*Mart and saw the action figure of Sidious changing into Palpatine that was left at the register....

That's Lucas' problem though, he has always had timeline problems...

I don't see why those two scenes have to be on the same day, and even if they do, it's not impossible.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

I don't see why those two scenes have to be on the same day, and even if they do, it's not impossible.

Thats not what we're trying to figure out.
What we are trying to do is see how much Jedi Boot Camp Training Luke recieved from Master Minch on Dagobah

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

I´m not a big fan of multiple versions of one movie being released at the same time ...it´s like the filmmaker can´t decide on which version of his own movie is the best or official one to him. I don´t see the point. If a filmmaker manages to make the final cut why should the subsequent versions be released? Audiences should not be able to decide between versions.
In the case of Star Wars especially it doesn´t really make sense to me. There is no extended and theatrical cut but an abandoned and an almost finished cut.

Some filmmakers care about whether or not their fans are entertained and satisfied with their product.

At least Spielberg, Scott, and plenty of others realize that a lot of people cherish their experiences of growing up with a film or how they saw it for the first time and might prefer to see that version.

Or just normal folk like me and and many others who like to be able to choose between different cuts out of curiosity or interest in seeing the film's evolution.

When I bought Close Encounters on Blu, I chose to watch the theatrical version first because I wanted to see what so many others saw at the movies before me (never seen it before and wanted to be introduced to it the same way everyone else was). The Director's version is not better... just different. Sometimes that's a good thing but not all the time.

[shelldweller]

What if, for the BD versions, Lucas makes Han shoot first again (we actually never really saw it) and cut around Han stepping on Jabba´s tail (maybe by cutting to a newly added Salacious Crumb or Chewbacca)... what is so bad about the Special Edition of "A New Hope"? I never got what people don´t like about them ...

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

What if, for the BD versions, Lucas makes Han shoot first again (we actually never really saw it) and cut around Han stepping on Jabba´s tail (maybe by cutting to a newly added Salacious Crumb or Chewbacca)... what is so bad about the Special Edition of "A New Hope"? I never got what people don´t like about them ...

All that needs to be fixed with this scene is make Han "walk" farther back behind Jabba so it doesn't look so terrible. Plus you really think Jabba'd let somone walk on them and not get something broken....?

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Some filmmakers care about whether or not their fans are entertained and satisfied with their product.

At least Spielberg, Scott, and plenty of others realize that a lot of people cherish their experiences of growing up with a film or how they saw it for the first time and might prefer to see that version.

Or just normal folk like me and and many others who like to be able to choose between different cuts out of curiosity or interest in seeing the film's evolution.

When I bought Close Encounters on Blu, I chose to watch the theatrical version first because I wanted to see what so many others saw at the movies before me (never seen it before and wanted to be introduced to it the same way everyone else was). The Director's version is not better... just different. Sometimes that's a good thing but not all the time.

It´s not that Lucas went into your home and took your old VHS tapes, DVDs or Laserdiscs... those versions are still around. Should be enough to see the film´s evolution. All I am saying is that Lucas (or anyone) should not be forced to release something he does not want to see released.

[BladeRunner2007]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

What if, for the BD versions, Lucas makes Han shoot first again (we actually never really saw it) and cut around Han stepping on Jabba´s tail (maybe by cutting to a newly added Salacious Crumb or Chewbacca)... what is so bad about the Special Edition of "A New Hope"? I never got what people don´t like about them ...

Han shoots first = total badass

Han shoots second or almost at the same time = he acts in self-defense. Nothing cool about it. Also his slow walk to the bartender and his one-liner seems very out of place now. It also changes his character.

Scene with Jabba = no need for it because it gives us the same information we just got from the scene with Greedo.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Audiences should not be able to decide between versions.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

Quite frankly the effects shots of the original unaltered Star Wars trilogy in something as high as 4k will be ugly.
All those optical effects were rendered using multiple layers of film......each layer degrading the overall resolution of the picture which will be exposed in a transfer mastered at 2 k let alone 4K(Hence the reason why Lucas replaced a lot of those shots for the special editions).

Quite right, and it's a point seemingly lost on those who are calling out Lucas for shooting Clones and Sith in HD. Lowry even mentioned this problem when the films got cleaned up at HD quality for the 2004 DVDs, and if it's obvious in HD then 2K or above will be mightily unforgiving.

As for the issue of 'remastering' the original movies with better compositing, I say no. Dirt and scratch removal is one thing, but the effects should be left as they are. You want it unaltered at high quality, fine, but you can't have your cake and eat it.

Don't get me wrongo, I'd love to have a proper archival edition. But it'd be great if they put just as much emphasis on sound as well as picture, preserving each of the original release mixes (mono, Dolby Stereo, 70mm 6-track mag) as well as the 'final' home video mixes done for the Definitive Collection LDs (which still sound absolutely STUNNING and piss all over the DVDs from a great height).

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

Besides, things weren't so bad with the Empire in charge.

I just don't see how a few days of on the fly training made him almost ready to defeat Vader & the Emperor, when fully (years upon years) & properly trained Jedi like Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Master Yoda and all the stragglers left after the events of RotS couldn't. Hell, up until his meeting Ben on Taooine, Luke had never even heard of the Force.

Of course this is an area where PT haters fail to see an issue with their beloved OT... Sorry, I had to get that in.

Heh. I'd love to see a Plinkett-style dissection of the OT, as there are plenty of gems to be uncovered. The first film alone has some MASSIVE plot holes which people either ignore (funny how they can't do that with the PT) or simply can't see through their rose-tinted memories, but whatever.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by BladeRunner2007

Han shoots first = total badass

Han shoots second or almost at the same time = he acts in self-defense. Nothing cool about it. Also his slow walk to the bartender and his one-liner seems very out of place now. It also changes his character.

Scene with Jabba = no need for it because it gives us the same information we just got from the scene with Greedo.

My first Star Wars film was Jedi, so Han was never a "badass" to me...

[Geoff D]

Yup, Han's a total puss by the time we get to Jedi.

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

...Heh. I'd love to see a Plinkett-style dissection of the OT, as there are plenty of gems to be uncovered. The first film alone has some MASSIVE plot holes which people either ignore or simply can't see through their rose-tinted memories, but whatever.

What I don't understand is why Ben & Yoda decided to wait for Luke to go after Vader & Palpatine. What was wrong with going themselves? They were already Jedi Masters with much, much more hope of defeating them than Luke should have ever had. At most, Luke was a very briefly trained teenager who had only just heard of the Force. He started his training later than would have ever been allowed. Hell, at 11, they argued as to whether "the chosen one" should even be trained. Not only was his training late & short (with almost zero lightsaber training), he had literally no idea what he was getting into. Why would Ben & Yoda wait all those years to employ a plan with so little chance of success? Why let palpatine rule all those years when their best shot at victory was by far themselves? Their best shot at Vader would have been while he was still weak from his defeat at Ben's hands. The best time to go after Palpatine would have been at the same time, before his power actually took hold. And out of the three of them (Ben, Yoda & Luke), the best shots at actually defeating Vader or the Emperor would have been Ben or Yoda, not Luke. In fact, had Vader not turned, Luke was a goner. And Vader turning back was something Ben & Yoda not only didn't figure in, it was completely out of the question as far as they were concerned.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

It´s not that Lucas went into your home and took your old VHS tapes, DVDs or Laserdiscs... those versions are still around. Should be enough to see the film´s evolution. All I am saying is that Lucas (or anyone) should not be forced to release something he does not want to see released.

I have to totally agree with Shelldweller in this case. All these cuts that have been released of the "Blade Runner".. Theatrical, Final Cut, Director's Cut, Workprint and whatnot!? Are you kiddin' me? Can't Ridley Scott decide which Cut he prefers? And why is it okay to release both Theatrical AND Extended Versions of "Lord of the Rings" on Blu-Ray AGAIN - and seperately!? How many times am I supposed to buy the same movie?

Lucas isn't that weak and undecided or that greedy. The upcoming Blu-Ray release of the compete Saga is a lean and mean set that is affortable and contains the latest versions of the movies.

If you want to indulge yourselves in nostalgia, why do you demand the "old" versions on "Blu-Ray"? VHS is much more nostalgic experience...

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

What I don't understand is why Ben & Yoda decided to wait for Luke to go after Vader & Palpatine. What was wrong with going themselves? They were already Jedi Masters with much, much more hope of defeating them than Luke should have ever had. At most, Luke was a very briefly trained teenager who had only just heard of the Force. He started his training later than would have ever been allowed. Hell, at 11, they argued as to whether "the chosen one" should even be trained. Not only was his training late & short (with almost zero lightsaber training), he had literally no idea what he was getting into. Why would Ben & Yoda wait all those years to employ a plan with so little chance of success? Why let palpatine rule all those years when their best shot at victory was by far themselves? Their best shot at Vader would have been while he was still weak from his defeat at Ben's hands. The best time to go after Palpatine would have been at the same time, before his power actually took hold. And out of the three of them (Ben, Yoda & Luke), the best shots at actually defeating Vader or the Emperor would have been Ben or Yoda, not Luke. In fact, had Vader not turned, Luke was a goner. And Vader turning back was something Ben & Yoda not only didn't figure in, it was completely out of the question as far as they were concerned.

Because, the prophecy didn't work that way, lol!!!

[OG Pooh]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

I have to totally agree with Shelldweller in this case. All these cuts that have been released of the "Blade Runner".. Theatrical, Final Cut, Director's Cut, Workprint and whatnot!? Are you kiddin' me? Can't Ridley Scott decide which Cut he prefers? And why is it okay to release both Theatrical AND Extended Versions of "Lord of the Rings" on Blu-Ray AGAIN - and seperately!? How many times am I supposed to buy the same movie?

Lucas isn't that weak and undecided or that greedy. The upcoming Blu-Ray release of the compete Saga is a lean and mean set that is affortable and contains the latest versions of the movies.

If you want to indulge yourselves in nostalgia, why do you demand the "old" versions on "Blu-Ray"? VHS is much more nostalgic experience...

Well said.