81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[sj001]

Anyone else notice the article that Transformers and Knocked Up were the 'most pirated' titles of 2007? Surprise, surprise, I bet too that a lot of those were the HD-DVD versions of those movies. One only wonders how much more they could have made if they actually sold those movies. HD-DVD, the Look & Sound of Piracy.

[upnorthsox]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

I'm not going to push the panic button, but wouldn't a 1% increase in YTD for HD Dud during the 4th quarter suggest that they did have to move quite a bit of titles to take that 1% chunk for us?

It would seem that little things like this are what Warner would discuss in planning for the next year.

Could be, could be a case of rounding too. 35.49% would round down to 35% while 35.51% would round up to 36% yet there's only a 0.02% difference.

Still even if it was a full 1% move, that's with the years' highest selling exclusive in a still mediocre volume market. That's hardly an accomplishment but hey whatever floats their boat I guess.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

It's also lousy math.

For every 60 Blu-rays sold, 40 HD DVD's were sold. Clearly, to be tied, 60 HD DVDs would have to be sold. That's 50% more.

Exactly, lousy math is rampant these days. The delta between 61 & 39 is not 20%. Even by their lame process it's 22%, but in reality it is over 50% as you noted.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

anybody else here think that vaughn is redeeming himself. i use to think of him as an hd dvd fanboy, but more and more of his comments seem to have almost a blu tint to them. i really don't dislike him anymore, like i used to.

Don't be so kind to people. He has been a shill all along. Just because he sees the inevitable end and is changing his tune so as not to look like a fool doesn't make him right. If Universal flips we can buy their movies but we should still mock them every step of the way.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I'd say their strongest subjects are English and revisionist history given all the FUD they write about.

Funny, that's also true for every university in the US and the media. OK, I'm getting too deep - I'll stop.

[quetzalcoatl]

Originally Posted by upnorthsox

Could be, could be a case of rounding too. 35.49% would round down to 35% while 35.51% would round up to 36% yet there's only a 0.02% difference.

Still even if it was a full 1% move, that's with the years' highest selling exclusive in a still mediocre volume market. That's hardly an accomplishment but hey whatever floats their boat I guess.

No it is even more sinistar than that. What it means is that HD DVD just over 35%. If HD DVD were only able ot sell one movie they would still get a 1% rating. So what happend they went from being somewhere in the high 34% range to the low 35%.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

Don't be so kind to people. He has been a shill all along. Just because he sees the inevitable end and is changing his tune so as not to look like a fool doesn't make him right. If Universal flips we can buy their movies but we should still mock them every step of the way.

why if he is seeing the blu light should we mock him? we don't mock the people on this forum, who come in and say, i used to be hd dvd exclusive, but have found the wonders of blu-ray and i like it a lot.

[TheRealBob]

Originally Posted by darinp2

I think I'm going to start a new format and sell one disc to my parents. That will make the ratio between DVD and my format 99:1 (since they truncate the bigger number). Now, DVD is a huge industry with billions of dollars of revenue, and if I can sell one disc then it will mean there is only a 98% differential between DVD and my format. So, that kind of success will have to make me rich. Right?

BTW: I think I'll have my parents buy 20 discs and 1 player. Then my format will have a better attach rate than HD DVD and that will mean my format is more successful than HD DVD. Right (again)?

--Darin

That does indeed sound like a fantastic plan.

I always get a good laugh when Toshiba starts blathering on about the attach rate. I think that has major potential to send the exact opposite message of what they are intending. They're losing in raw numbers, then on top of that they point out that there are a ton of BD-capable devices out there for which people are apparently not yet buying movies? So not only are they losing, but the competing format has a bunch of potential customers that have zero start-up cost if they choose to start purchasing HD movies?

[TheRealBob]

Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

Not only that, but they are NOT "gaining ground" as they claim! Every week they score lower than 50% they are in fact falling further and further behind in total sales, the gap between BD and HD DVD widened every single week in 2007.

In raw numbers, you are correct. For percentages, they are gaining ground every week they do better than the spread since inception.

[patrick99]

Originally Posted by upnorthsox

Could be, could be a case of rounding too. 35.49% would round down to 35% while 35.51% would round up to 36% yet there's only a 0.02% difference.

Still even if it was a full 1% move, that's with the years' highest selling exclusive in a still mediocre volume market. That's hardly an accomplishment but hey whatever floats their boat I guess.

That's not the rounding convention they use. They always round down the higher of the two numbers.

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by cathexist

Don't we still have to wait for the week ended 12/30/07 to celebrate a complete year of outselling HD-DVD?

I mean, I'm sure that we did...but aren't a lot of people jumping the gun?

Jumping the gun, maybe. But 51 out of 52 weeks isn't half bad. I'm sure if that happened, the HD DVD fanboys will have a heck of a time spinning it.


fuad

[bhampton]

Writesimply,

Technically no. HD DUD lost the last week of 06 so Blu Ray did win a complete year. And then some. And by the end of this year,.. I don't think they will be comparing sales with HD DUD anymore.

-Brian

[whippersnapper]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

anybody else here think that vaughn is redeeming himself. i use to think of him as an hd dvd fanboy, but more and more of his comments seem to have almost a blu tint to them. i really don't dislike him anymore, like i used to.

Sure, Vaughn will be walking around telling everyone "I vas only following orders"!

[NutsAboutPS3]

Originally Posted by TheRealBob

In raw numbers, you are correct. For percentages, they are gaining ground every week they do better than the spread since inception.

But why do we care about so called "gained ground" in percentage terms? If a football team is 2-0 down at half time and 4-1 down at full time, we don't describe them as having pulled back in the second half just because their share of the goals has gone from 0% to 20%. We describe them as having had their ass handed to them.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

But why do we care about so called "gained ground" in percentage terms? If a football team is 2-0 down at half time and 4-1 down at full time, we don't describe them as having pulled back in the second half just because their share of the goals has gone from 0% to 20%. We describe them as having had their ass handed to them.

hd dvd fanboys are like obese people. they eat 5000 calories a day when they are only supposed to eat 2000, then when they only eat 3000 for the day, they consider it to have been a "good" day. the fact is they still gained weight for the day, just not as much.

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by TheRealBob

In raw numbers, you are correct. For percentages, they are gaining ground every week they do better than the spread since inception.

Good job they appear to have blown their load, and have little left for early Q1.

One step forward, two back.

[krispyjala]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Jumping the gun, maybe. But 51 out of 52 weeks isn't half bad. I'm sure if that happened, the HD DVD fanboys will have a heck of a time spinning it.


fuad

Even with 52/52 weeks for 2007, the red ants will still spin it. Some of the arguments in no particular order:

1. This is only the beginning of the war (yes, HDM vs DVD numbers again...boring!)
2. Just wait until after CES (Warner going red)
3. Standalone sales still in favor of red
4. PS3 is last in gaming consoles (wth?)
5. I don't trust Dave Vaughn's numbers (or Nielsen's because it leaves out Walmart etc)
6. Blu ray is still too expensive for me.

It's truly pointless to argue with them. People who want to live in an illusion that they have created will always have defense mechanisms to prevent themselves from seeing the truth. Granted, there have been HD DVD supporters who had admitted (and even congratulated *gasps*) blu winning 52 weeks, and I have a lot more respect for those people than for those red ants who are in denial of facts no matter how you present it to them.

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by whippersnapper

Sure, Vaughn will be walking around telling everyone "I vas only following orders"!

He HAS to get the numbers correct, within a week we always have the official figures.

Other points that are more difficult to counter, i.e. yield rates, are open to spin.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

why if he is seeing the blu light should we mock him? we don't mock the people on this forum, who come in and say, i used to be hd dvd exclusive, but have found the wonders of blu-ray and i like it a lot.

Because he continually spread misinformation either by design or through ignorance. You don't treat those people the same way you treat the honest people. They can find some measure of redemption but they are not the same.

[binarymelon]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

Ok, I'm really confused.

Blade Runner on HD-DVD sold 24.95 vs. Bourne's 100.

This means that Blade Runner on HD-DVD sold .2495 * 98.36 = 24.54 for overall sales.

59.97 combined for BladeRunner means that Bladerunner combined sold 59.97/.9836 = 60.97 overall.

60.97 overall - 24.54 HD-DVD equals 36.43 sales for Blu-Ray.

That would have put it at #7 for the top 10 overall. Yet it's not there.

Show me where my math is bad please.

I think your math is a little bit off. Still Blade Runner should be on the list, but the percentage should be a little higher. At least I think it should be. I may be wrong too though.

24.95       x
------ = ------- ===> x = 24.54 (HD DVD Runner to Phoenix 100.0 Index)
  100     98.36


59.97 - 24.54 = 35.43 (Blu-ray Runner to Phoenix 100.0 Index)


35.43      x
------ = ------ ===> x = 42.64 (Blu-ray Runner to Simpson's 100.0 Index)
83.09     100

Edit: Sorry, didn't realize which list you were recalculating for.