The War is Over

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by sltmag

I wish someone would point Alan to this thread and let him comment on it. Maybe he can see why long time members of that site are fed up. There was nothing antagonizing about yoyo's post at all. It simply re-hashed all past arguments in favor of HD-DVD and shown them all not to be true.

Please, it's pointless. I had a few PMs back and forth with Alan myself recently and they went nowhere. The whole place is a joke at this point.

[Deane Johnson]

As I look at the various sales charts and the other data, I wonder why anyone would buy an HD-DVD player at this point. I understand why some of anxious individuals jumped in before Blu-ray got going, when HD-DVD players were $499 and Blu-ray players were $1000.

Now with the entry cost of Blu-ray, via PS3, down with HD-DVD, and the momentum all Blu-ray, what would your selling position be if you were Toshiba? I would hate to have to explain that to stockholders at this point.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Deane Johnson

Now with the entry cost of Blu-ray, via PS3, down with HD-DVD, and the momentum all Blu-ray, what would your selling position be if you were Toshiba? I would hate to have to explain that to stockholders at this point.

Two words: "Cut" and "run!"

[Spankey]

Originally Posted by Deane Johnson

As I look at the various sales charts and the other data, I wonder why anyone would buy an HD-DVD player at this point. I understand why some of anxious individuals jumped in before Blu-ray got going, when HD-DVD players were $499 and Blu-ray players were $1000.

Now with the entry cost of Blu-ray, via PS3, down with HD-DVD, and the momentum all Blu-ray, what would your selling position be if you were Toshiba? I would hate to have to explain that to stockholders at this point.

So when are you picking up a PS3/Player and joining the rest of us?

[Deane Johnson]

Originally Posted by sltmag

So when are you picking up a PS3/Player and joining the rest of us?

I was afraid someone would ask me that question. Answer is, "I don't know".

I sort of like to do things only once, so I have been waiting for not only the "war" to be decided, but 2nd to 3rd generation players. It looks like 2007 is going to be rather definitive in both respects.

Being a purchaser, rather than a renter, I also don't want to buy a bunch of discs in the wrong format. I think we all know at this point, however, which the right format will be.

When I get through with all of the above smokescreen and BS, the real answer is "when my wife will let me."

[Deadset]

Originally Posted by Deane Johnson

I was afraid someone would ask me that question. Answer is, "I don't know".

I sort of like to do things only once, so I have been waiting for not only the "war" to be decided, but 2nd to 3rd generation players. It looks like 2007 is going to be rather definitive in both respects.

Being a purchaser, rather than a renter, I also don't want to buy a bunch of discs in the wrong format. I think we all know at this point, however, which the right format will be.

When I get through with all of the above smokescreen and BS, the real answer is "when my wife will let me."

I hear ya there, I was shocked when mine bought me one for a gift. btw...I wish my best buy would carry more blu-ray, they have tons of hd-dvds!

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Deane Johnson

I was afraid someone would ask me that question. Answer is, "I don't know".

I sort of like to do things only once, so I have been waiting for not only the "war" to be decided, but 2nd to 3rd generation players. It looks like 2007 is going to be rather definitive in both respects.

Being a purchaser, rather than a renter, I also don't want to buy a bunch of discs in the wrong format. I think we all know at this point, however, which the right format will be.

When I get through with all of the above smokescreen and BS, the real answer is "when my wife will let me."

Whatever happens, BD is entrenched now. There are too many absolutely delighted PS/3 owners for it to ever go away. And millions more on the way.

At this point it is either outright victory for BD, or long term dominance. And Japan guarantees that at worst, we will have to import the Universal titles.

Gary

[Deane Johnson]

Originally Posted by Deads3t

I hear ya there, I was shocked when mine bought me one for a gift. btw...I wish my best buy would carry more blu-ray, they have tons of hd-dvds!

Based on the sales figure trends I've seen, they may continue to have "tons of HD-DVD's" sitting there.

[Deane Johnson]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Whatever happens, BD is entrenched now. There are too many absolutely delighted PS/3 owners for it to ever go away. And millions more on the way.

At this point it is either outright victory for BD, or long term dominance. And Japan guarantees that at worst, we will have to import the Universal titles.

Gary

You're correct. So, it really gets down to only one criteria. When my wife will let me.

[Blubaru]

Originally Posted by Deads3t

I hear ya there, I was shocked when mine bought me one for a gift. btw...I wish my best buy would carry more blu-ray, they have tons of hd-dvds!

That is because no one is buying the HD-DVDs lol.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Deane Johnson

You're correct. So, it really gets down to only one criteria. When my wife will let me.

Ah yes, the WAF. Always the most critical factor.

Gary

[HDTV1080P]

The problem with the dual disc concept on HD-DVD is that one does not know if the person buying the movie is a DVD owner only or a HD-DVD owner. What would be funny is if Universal started selling more HD-DVD titles then the number of HD-DVD players every manufactured. They could take a hit Universal movie and only release it on dual disc HD-DVD, then they could say look we sold several million copies of this HD-DVD movie. When in reality people buying the movie were watching it on a standard DVD players.
One can now purchase a brand new first generation HD-DVD Toshiba for $323. The numbers I am seeing from one of my sources is that they have several hundred HD-DVD players in stock but completely out of stock of Sony BLU-RAY players and low on Samsung BLU-RAY players. HD-DVD players even at $323 is not selling well.

[Spankey]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Ah yes, the WAF. Always the most critical factor.

Gary

And my wife bought me my PS3. Gotta love her. Actually, she only went along with it for that Sony card $150 off deal and a Best Buy card from the bro and sis-in-laws.

[Scorxpion]

Just wait till the end of march,2007 the war is Over.

With european release of PS3,more blu-ray movies announced,Increasing in sales through different websites including amazon and dvdempire with facts,
Warner Bros now is releasing uncompressed sound and hopefully they catch up blu-ray releases with titles only so far on HD-DVD ,Casino Royale on the road .
At amazon top ten is eight titles blu-ray against two HD-DvD
DVDempire titles count till now 212 among preorder titles
HD-dvd is 188 among preorder titles.
So far and on blu-ray wins

[Damon Payne]

As encouraging as the #s are, we still need to see them continue for the next couple months. This will cause a snowball effect, as the fence-sitters run grab the PS3 and 2nd gen Samsung, etc.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The problem with the dual disc concept on HD-DVD is that one does not know if the person buying the movie is a DVD owner only or a HD-DVD owner.

Same thing for Total HD. You already know the HD DVD crowd will claim 100% of those sales for HD DVD.

The name issue is a curse as well as a blessing. People recognize HD DVD but may not know what is required to use it. They may think it is a special DVD enhanced for HDTVs (like enhanced for 16:9). As such, I think a good reason for wanting the combo is that they are worried about the returns. Combos are DVD, so the purchase remains valid (and the studio makes a nice premium).

Blu-ray has no such problem. It is clearly is not DVD. So people won't mistake it for such. And when they know what Blu-ray is, they know it isn't DVD. Once again, the name helps the cause.

Gary

[Deane Johnson]

Jumped over to the HD-DVD forum to see if anything was happening and found this new poster. The enthusiastic post just struck me as funny. Wait until the individual begins to learn the reality of the war.

http://forum.hd-dvd.com/showthread.php?t=391

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Damon Payne

As encouraging as the #s are, we still need to see them continue for the next couple months. This will cause a snowball effect, as the fence-sitters run grab the PS3 and 2nd gen Samsung, etc.

There's really no reason to believe that the momentun won't continue upwards and onwards for BD from here on out short of some crazy and unforseen self destruction from within or blunders.

There's certainly nothing coming from the HD-DVD side that's going to do any signifigant damage or make any waves.

In other words, it's the same status quo it's always been: This is BD's game to lose. They stumbled out of the gate and hurt themselves but they fixed themselves up fairly quickly.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by JTK

There's certainly nothing coming from the HD-DVD side that's going to do any signifigant damage or make any waves.

Even Universal's announcement wasn't what was needed for titles (good not great), and completely devoid of dates. So who knows when they will start?

It all smells of an ad hoc massively subsidized push from Microsoft. It took until now for Amir's bosses to OK the big cash outlay.

Gary

[JTK]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Even Universal's announcement wasn't what was needed for titles (good not great), and completely devoid of dates. So who knows when they will start?

It all smells of an ad hoc massively subsidized push from Microsoft. It took until now for Amir's bosses to OK the big cash outlay.

Gary

Exactly.

The complete no-show at CES can't be ignored.

I think the whole thing is pretty much smoke and mirrors at this point.

Like I've said before: HD-DVD is the biggest sham in all of consumer electronics, at least in recent memory.

That hypothesis gets proven more and more with each passing day, IMO.