Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[-RONIN-]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Well said -RONIN- I think LFL this time around will give us a quality product and the blu-rays will look fantastic. And as far as star wars haters goes I can't stand haters who make fun of star wars and pick on it. STAR WARS IS FOREVER AND SO ARE WE.

Star Wars rules. It's just flat out entertaining and a good night of movie watching. I have had hater friends who left after a night of SW saying it was as bad as they thought. I think a lot of haters today haven't even seen the films, they are just going by that ugly stereotype.

[-RONIN-]

Originally Posted by georgec

We can't be sure if the screenshots of Vader in the cockpit are indeed representative of the BD transfers, since they came from that short promo clip.

If the screenshots are indicative of the BD transfers, they look to be derived from the 2004 DVD release, and if true that image seems to have been "brightened" but the color issues (pink/red) remain.

Otherwise, we'll have to really wait and see for official information, but I have a feeling that won't come around until the actual release of the set (or possibly before if Lucasfilm sends out review copies to this site or others).

In what stage of production do we think the discs are right now? When would content be finalized and mass production begin?

This is my best attempt at a rational post.

I can't answer the last question but i will say that I would be shocked if this is just another sub-par release. With the way the internet has grown and communication is so easily forwarded if they were to put out a recycled product it would spread faster then wild fires. The damage that was done from word of mouth over the theatrical releases of LOTR was huge. They can't even sell that set for $15 at Walmart.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by miniroll32

Here are pictures from original SW in 1977:

RED AND SILVER instead of blue and pink in 04 release



I did not say that Lowry was responsible. But it was Lucasfilm that put the company under pressure to colour time the film in little over a month.

The LaserDisc transfer is hardly a reflection of how the 'original' Star Wars looked, either. The prints were in bad shape even then - the whole reason the red hues are so vivid was because this, and its ridiculously poor. The film was indeed bright, but matte shots - just like any film of the time - were awfully obvious and reduced the contrast/upped the grain dramatically. As has been explained, Lowry will have needed to gone back to the o-negs to do a 4K scan for the 3D version of the films. Therefore, they'll be using the new scans they and will have a new oppurtunity to re-time the films colour.

The fact remains though that no matter what the Star Wars films look like on Blu-Ray, they will never be a true 'restoration' because the clean-up/enhancements have gone beyond the original look of the film.

Lowry had nothing to do with the colour problems of the DVD transfers. It's a shame that they seem to get the rap for something they had nothing to do with. Lucasfilm did all the colour timing BEFORE they handed over the digital files to Lowry. All Lowry did was use their algorithm to clean up the prints and reduce the grain. George himself oversaw the colour timing on the 2004 set and approved it. Lucasfilms excuse when people complained about how bad the colour looked on these films was to blame everyone's setup because it looked perfect on their setup. So Lucasfilms monitors must be using a completely different colour calibration to everyone else in the world. They say they used an original technicolor print to use a reference for the colour timing on the DVD release and that the DVD set is how the film originally looked in theatres . Well this was proved to be false when a prefect condition technicolor print was recently shown at a cinema and it looked nothing like the 2004 transfer.

I'm not sure why you think they will be rescanning all the films in 4k for the 3D releases because Lucas himself thinks that 1080p is good enough for digital projection. Plus episodes 2 & 3 were only filmed in 1080p so they can't be redone in 4k. It has been stated in an interview that there won't be anything added/changed in the original trilogy for the 3D releases so all you are going to get is whatever we get for the Blu-Ray releases converted to 3D and this is most likely going to be the same transfer we got in 2004. The clips look are no indication that these are new transfers. The colour/ brightness changes can easily be put down to encoding/ video hosting conversion. I've posted many videos on these sites and the colour will vary between hosting sites as they will convert the video to their own compatible format. The crushed blacks are still there. We'll know in a few months either way, but my betting is that the OT will be the same transfer.

All we know about the Blu-Ray releases for the OT is that ANH has had a new audio mix along with the other films getting a 6.1 mix. For the prequels TPM has had a new transfer and clean up with a digital Yoda replacing the original puppet. Maybe they will show some clips from the blu-rays at Comic-con and if they do then we will have a better idea if anything will look different or not.

One thing you need to think about if you really think Lucas will have forked out for a new transfer of the original trilogy: he is all about making a profit nowadays and claims that it is too expensive to restore the unaltered version of these films. He has already paid for a restoration and clean up of these films for the 2004 set and it was also stated years ago that they have the original trilogy already in HD and just waiting for a Blu-Ray release. So do you really think that he will pay for another restoration when he considers the HD versions he has already to be faultless? He knows that whatever the quality of the Blu-Rays there are the mindless followers that will buy anything Star Wars, even if it looks terrible and will believe the usual "creative decision" excuses that Lucasfilm puts out every time someone points out problems. The Blu-Ray set will sell millions and give George a nice tidy profit even with the horrible colour timing of the 2004 DVDs. And then all the "gushers" will just call anyone that complains about how bad they may look "haters". I'm almost fed up with all thing Star Wars lately. I can remember a time when a Lucasfilm release stood for quality, but it seems that every release seems to be getting worse recently. The 2006 bonus discs of the unaltered trilogy being one. This was a kick in the teeth for fans of the originals. A badly transferred 1993 laserdisc master with horrendous DVNR problems ( 3 eyed stormtrooper anyone?) and non-anamorphic to top it all. And then because it didn't sell well it gave all the gushers and Lucasfilm the ammunition they wanted that "the originals are not wanted". So it had nothing to do with people not wanting to have to rebuy the same DVD SE set just to get their hands on a rubbish copy of the originals then?

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by adywan

One thing you need to think about if you really think Lucas will have forked out for a new transfer of the original trilogy: he is all about making a profit nowadays and claims that it is too expensive to restore the unaltered version of these films.

This is why I am convinced he will attach them to the eventual single Blu-ray releases of the 3D versions.

It would be brilliant. Many people, including myself, couldn't give a crap about 3-D versions of Star Wars and would never buy them. But, if he includes the original cuts in HD as a "bonus", then I'd buy them in a second.

So it would ensure that the 3-D versions sell as well as possible, because people would be buying the discs for the bonuses and not the main feature.

Then, when he finally releases a 3-D box set, there will still be reason for people to own the singles as well (to get the bonus HD version of the original film).

It would be simply brilliant.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

This is why I am convinced he will attach them to the eventual single Blu-ray releases of the 3D versions.

It would be brilliant. Many people, including myself, couldn't give a crap about 3-D versions of Star Wars and would never buy them. But, if he includes the original cuts in HD as a "bonus", then I'd buy them in a second.

So it would ensure that the 3-D versions sell as well as possible, because people would be buying the discs for the bonuses and not the main feature.

Then, when he finally releases a 3-D box set, there will still be reason for people to own the singles as well (to get the bonus HD version of the original film).

It would be simply brilliant.

It would also be wishful thinking.

[MerrickG]

I am officially predicting that internet will COMPLETELY self destruct when these get released on bluray.

Bill Hunt has already warned as much.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/foru...0#post_3823210

See the last line.

[motorheadache95]

It's already started with a couple of pics from a special feature. Looks like it's Fellowship of the Ring Part Two!!

[The Apocalypse]

We need to take a step back and relax. There's months to go, and nobody is going to ruin this release for me by complaining. Wise or not, I'm putting my faith in Fox/Lucasfilm for gorgeous transfers to match the extremely high expectations of us.

On the other hand, if there was nothing to complain about, I guess this thread wouldn't be as large as it is.

[Brightstar]

By the way, if you think this is something, you just WAIT until the Star Wars Saga comes out on Blu-ray in September and people start arguing about the color timing on those.

Bill hunt

Looks like LOTR and SW fans will be in the same boat

[The Apocalypse]

It's a few months yet, and I'm sure this release will be fine. Difference between LotR and SW? I'd say that people (including) have been waiting for this since Blu-ray came about, so I'd say expectation is higher for this release. This will be an excellent release, and I don't care for speculations and conclusion jumping until the set is in my hand.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by merrick97

It would also be wishful thinking.

Check in with me in a couple of years and we'll see.

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Please guys! How can you seriously discuss the upcoming BD transfer from some clips???

Also, there is a 3-D thread, so if you want to discuss that, it belongs there:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/movies/578...ml#post4856317

Let's discuss things that can actually be discussed like...........

Ok, who thinks that Padme's cut scenes (The creation of the rebel alliance) will be put back into the movie?

I'd actually like to have at least one of the deleted scenes of Padme at her parent's house back in.

Which scenes would you like to see become part of movie proper?

The bolded ones (both of them) for sure, they make the romance between Padme and Anakin a lot more believeable (and I also like the simplicity of the scenes, with it's intimate setting).

Maybe the creation of the Rebel Alliance ones as well, since they are of course important for ANH and also add a bit of weight to Anakin saying to Padme "don't turn your back on me" (or something to that effect, can't exactly remember).

Still curious as to what Lucas wanted to add to the Battle of Coruscant outside of what we have, though I think this is a bit out of the context of your question

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Please guys! How can you seriously discuss the upcoming BD transfer from some clips???

Also, there is a 3-D thread, so if you want to discuss that, it belongs there:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/movies/578...ml#post4856317

Let's discuss things that can actually be discussed like...........

Ok, who thinks that Padme's cut scenes (The creation of the rebel alliance) will be put back into the movie?

I'd actually like to have at least one of the deleted scenes of Padme at her parent's house back in.

Which scenes would you like to see become part of movie proper?

Ok, although I don´t think any of the scenes will end up in the movies... here´s my Wishlist of scenes I´d like to see incorporated into the movies..

E1: I´d like to see the scene where Qui-Gon discovers Mauls´s Probe-Droid and they start running. It´s a really cool Kurosawa-like scene which also explains why we see Qui-Gon and Anakin running in the next shot.

E2: Nothing... especially not the scenes at Padme´s family. I think they don´t work very well and slow the pacing down. What I´d like to see is an improved version of R2 and 3PO in the droid factory.

E3: One or two scenes of Padme and the "rebels"... that way JarJar could also have more screentime and he wouldn´t go from a major supporting character to an extra we don´t really see anymore.

E4: Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa on Alderaan losing contact to his daughter and waiting for Obi Wan and the plans.... leading to the destruction of Alderaan.

E5: Nothing.

E6: Luke´s original opening scene. The one we saw as a deleted scene.

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Ok, although I don´t think any of the scenes will end up in the movies... here´s my Wishlist of scenes I´d like to see incorporated into the movies..

E1: I´d like to see the scene where Qui-Gon discovers Mauls´s Probe-Droid and they start running. It´s a really cool Kurosawa-like scene which also explains why we see Qui-Gon and Anakin running in the next shot.

E2: Nothing... especially not the scenes at Padme´s family. I think they don´t work very well and slow the pacing down. What I´d like to see is an improved version of R2 and 3PO in the droid factory.

E3: One or two scenes of Padme and the "rebels"... that way JarJar could also have more screentime and he wouldn´t go from a major supporting character to an extra we don´t really see anymore.

E4: Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa on Alderaan losing contact to his daughter and waiting for Obi Wan and the plans.... leading to the destruction of Alderaan.

E5: Nothing.

E6: Luke´s original opening scene. The one we saw as a deleted scene.

Ah yes forget the Episode One deleted scene of Qui Gon Jinn hacking up the probe droid.

I do disagree with your Episode 2 argument of course :P. The movie isn't exactly long (too long for some no matter what ) and the scenes enhance the main point of the movie, the romance, which feels rushed with the current cut.

Is the Episode IV real or only a written scene which was never filmed?

[sfmarine]

Originally Posted by joliefan

By the way, if you think this is something, you just WAIT until the Star Wars Saga comes out on Blu-ray in September and people start arguing about the color timing on those.

Bill hunt

Looks like LOTR and SW fans will be in the same boat

...he's right though.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Aquel

Ah yes forget the Episode One deleted scene of Qui Gon Jinn hacking up the probe droid.

I do disagree with your Episode 2 argument of course :P. The movie isn't exactly long (too long for some no matter what ) and the scenes enhance the main point of the movie, the romance, which feels rushed with the current cut.

Is the Episode IV real or only a written scene which was never filmed?

The Episode IV scenes are just something I made up but I´m always hoping that something like that will find it´s way into the movie. In my opinion that side of the story is always missing. Read some rumors though that Jimmy Smits might play old Bail Organa in E4... that was years ago though.

[shelldweller]

Ok folks, here´s something new!
The Blu-rays will feature 46:10 minutes of deleted and extended scenes for Episodes 1-3 and also about 47 minutes for Episodes 4-6.

I got the info from the website of the German movie-rating organization FSK. The information is pretty legit.
Here´s the link: http://www.fsk.de/index.asp?SeitID=4...itel=star+wars

Does anyone know how long the deleted scenes on the DVDs were?

[The Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Ok folks, here´s something new!
The Blu-rays will feature 46:10 minutes of deleted and extended scenes for Episodes 1-3 and about 47 minutes for Episodes 4-6.

I got the info from the website of the German movie-rating organization FSK. The information is pretty legit.
Here´s the link: http://www.fsk.de/index.asp?SeitID=4...itel=star+wars

Sounds quite good. Can't wait for this release. How will I make the months go by though?

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Ok folks, here´s something new!
The Blu-rays will feature 46:10 minutes of deleted and extended scenes for Episodes 1-3 and also about 47 minutes for Episodes 4-6.

I got the info from the website of the German movie-rating organization FSK. The information is pretty legit.
Here´s the link: http://www.fsk.de/index.asp?SeitID=4...itel=star+wars

Does anyone know how long the deleted scenes on the DVDs were?

OK I got it myself... there were 32 Minutes of deleted scenes on the Prequel DVDs. That means we´ll be getting 14 new minutes of deleted material.

The reason the deleted scenes for the Sequels is devided into two parts could mean that part one are the actual deleted scenes and part two could be scenes out of the theatrical or other temporary versions. What do you think?

[Mahatma]

Just a quick question: Does anyone here have the oppo 83SE modded to regionfree BD?Reason I ask this in this forum is that mine absolutely refuse playing Fight club,the hustler and Aliens-all encoded with AVC from Fox.Star wars is a Fox release too if I'm not much mistaken.Know I should try updating my firmware,but it says it has the latest.And besides,90%+ of my titles work and it works on all region A's,so I'm not too keen on doing it since it might make it worse while not fixing it.

Not really a problem since I have a region B player which works just fine with those titles my Oppo won't play,but it is slow as hell

Apreciate it if someone who has the excact same player as mine-the Oppo-would either confirm the problem,or not