Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Miadaskate]

Originally Posted by Liquid_Swords

Just so I don't have to read 500 pages, This new blu set does NOT include the original, unaltered versions??

No. Or at least as far as we know. It could be one of the special features. In Non-Anamorphic Widescreen. :P

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

I know...I love the UOT so much I would pay 300 dollars for that set if they would have included those.

I could best you with that by going $500 bucks for it.

Originally Posted by Miadaskate

No. Or at least as far as we know. It could be one of the special features. In Non-Anamorphic Widescreen. :P

Ah...the old...

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[adywan]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

The star wars saga on blu-ray is going to be the biggest selling box set in the history of the blu-ray format since it launched in 2006. A lot of people are waiting to buy a blu-ray player just for this blu-ray box set of the saga. And the box set willl sell a lot of copy's desbite what the complainers say. And the transfer for the films as far as the picture and sound goes will look good. I know when it comes out I will be enjoying the box set and so will other star wars fans.

I wouldn't be too sure about this. There are a lot of people that this set is just too costly for and many more that just don't care for HD Blu-Rays. If it turns out that the OT is the same transfer as the 2004 DVD set, then more will just stick with the HD versions already available as they won't look much better. Luca$ could have easily guaranteed that this would be the biggest selling Blu-Ray release by including the Original unaltered versions remastered in HD. Another no sell for many is the special features on the extra disc. Almost 3 hours of docs about spoofs and a costume group? There have been hell of a lot of head scratching about these choices. Then there are the making of docs that will most likely be old laserdisc transfers ( if George says that restoring the original movies is too costly then do you really think he would spend any money on a new scan on the original 16mm reels for these docs, plus one was shot only on video tape anyway). Most people will already have these docs from the 80's. Then there are the deleted scenes. These will most likely end up on youtube anyway. So where is the incentive for anyone apart from the hardcore fans to buy this set? What happened to them scouring the Lucasfilm vaults and finding loads of unseen stuff?

Many are not going to get this set because they now that a few years time there will probably be an ultimate set and then the 3D versions

And why do you keep saying that you know these films will look great? Unless you have been able to see an advanced copy or some inside information that they have had a new transfer you can't keep harping on that you know they'll look great. No one apart from those who have seen them can.

[Miadaskate]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Ah...the old...

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Lol, yeah...

Imagine if that's what eggs nautrally looked like around Easter time.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by adywan

I wouldn't be too sure about this. There are a lot of people that this set is just too costly for and many more that just don't care for HD Blu-Rays. If it turns out that the OT is the same transfer as the 2004 DVD set, then more will just stick with the HD versions already available as they won't look much better. Luca$ could have easily guaranteed that this would be the biggest selling Blu-Ray release by including the Original unaltered versions remastered in HD. Another no sell for many is the special features on the extra disc. Almost 3 hours of docs about spoofs and a costume group? There have been hell of a lot of head scratching about these choices. Then there are the making of docs that will most likely be old laserdisc transfers ( if George says that restoring the original movies is too costly then do you really think he would spend any money on a new scan on the original 16mm reels for these docs, plus one was shot only on video tape anyway). Most people will already have these docs from the 80's. Then there are the deleted scenes. These will most likely end up on youtube anyway. So where is the incentive for anyone apart from the hardcore fans to buy this set? What happened to them scouring the Lucasfilm vaults and finding loads of unseen stuff?

Many are not going to get this set because they now that a few years time there will probably be an ultimate set and then the 3D versions

And why do you keep saying that you know these films will look great? Unless you have been able to see an advanced copy or some inside information that they have had a new transfer you can't keep harping on that you know they'll look great. No one apart from those who have seen them can.

Lets talk about the sound track adywan. That is what I am looking forward to & have the system to bring it out. What it looks like is what it will be so be it. Personally the story & the sound track make the movie & not just what it looks like.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by adywan

I wouldn't be too sure about this. There are a lot of people that this set is just too costly for and many more that just don't care for HD Blu-Rays. If it turns out that the OT is the same transfer as the 2004 DVD set, then more will just stick with the HD versions already available as they won't look much better. Luca$ could have easily guaranteed that this would be the biggest selling Blu-Ray release by including the Original unaltered versions remastered in HD. Another no sell for many is the special features on the extra disc. Almost 3 hours of docs about spoofs and a costume group? There have been hell of a lot of head scratching about these choices. Then there are the making of docs that will most likely be old laserdisc transfers ( if George says that restoring the original movies is too costly then do you really think he would spend any money on a new scan on the original 16mm reels for these docs, plus one was shot only on video tape anyway). Most people will already have these docs from the 80's. Then there are the deleted scenes. These will most likely end up on youtube anyway. So where is the incentive for anyone apart from the hardcore fans to buy this set? What happened to them scouring the Lucasfilm vaults and finding loads of unseen stuff?

Many are not going to get this set because they now that a few years time there will probably be an ultimate set and then the 3D versions

And why do you keep saying that you know these films will look great? Unless you have been able to see an advanced copy or some inside information that they have had a new transfer you can't keep harping on that you know they'll look great. No one apart from those who have seen them can.

Adywan I will be getting this blu-ray box set because it has all of the star wars films plus it will be a nice addition to my blu-ray collection and their are a lot of fans of star wars who will buy this box set for their collection. I never said I have a advanced copy of the films no one does. And we don't know yet if the blu-rays of the OT won't be the same transfers that where in 2004. Their are lots of things we don't know about the blu-ray box set yet.

[earmullet]

Originally Posted by adywan

Who are you talking to?

I'm referring to Jacobbs' rant about the color timing of supposed new transers and then referencing it to some inferior version...it looks like it's a frame grab from the vhs widescreen versions.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

Lets talk about the sound track adywan. That is what I am looking forward to & have the system to bring it out. What it looks like is what it will be so be it. Personally the story & the sound track make the movie & not just what it looks like.

Well I'm hoping that the new mix for ANH will sort out all the problems with the '97 and especially the monstrosity that was the 2004 mix. They do a new mix for 2004 yet they still have the special edition mistake where you can hear X-wings suddenly join the Millennium Falcon vs TIE fighter battle as they escape the death star. And i prey to god that they dial the music back up instead of being buried underneath the sound effects. The music is what really emphasised these scenes NOT just the sound effects.

Originally Posted by earmullet

I'm referring to Jacobbs' rant about the color timing of supposed new transers and then referencing it to some inferior version...it looks like it's a frame grab from the vhs widescreen versions.

No, those screengrabs were taken from the 2006 theatrical bonus DVDs. The colours on those versions are a little too washed out with some colours and also they have a slight red tint to them. The final releases of the unaltered trilogy on VHS had the colour timing closer to how it originally looked. I was surprised they used such and old an inferior master for the bonus DVDs. The true colour of the movies are a mix between the final VHS THX releases and the 1997 Special editions. The best reference for the original colour is the technicolor prints, as these have not faded with time.

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I never said I have a advanced copy of the films no one does. And we don't know yet if the blu-rays of the OT won't be the same transfers that where in 2004. Their are lots of things we don't know about the blu-ray box set yet.

I never said you did have an advanced copy. I think you need to re-read what i wrote. And you have really contradicted yourself with everything you keep saying in that last post. Like i said we don't know for sure yet if they will be the same or not but you keep going on at people who say it probably is going to be the same saying things like "They will be fixed and they will look great" yet you say that no one knows if they are going to be the same or not so how can you keep claiming that?

[retablo]

Originally Posted by joliefan

Back before 1977 he wrote the whole script from I-VI. there was no Palpatine in 77 and no yoda it was just vader luke and a princess.

No, he didn't. That has been de-bunked. He did have story outlines but nothing was really that conclusive.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by adywan

Well I'm hoping that the new mix for ANH will sort out all the problems with the '97 and especially the monstrosity that was the 2004 mix. They do a new mix for 2004 yet they still have the special edition mistake where you can hear X-wings suddenly join the Millennium Falcon vs TIE fighter battle as they escape the death star. And i prey to god that they dial the music back up instead of being buried underneath the sound effects. The music is what really emphasised these scenes NOT just the sound effects.

I have seen all the movies in the last month on cable. Granted this is in 1080i & they look great. The sound tracks from each movie is outstanding & I am sure that it is not even a DTS HD-Master sound track which would leave me to believe that the sound track will be incredible on a Blu-ray disk ~ IMO.

I know I cannot compare what I have seen & heard on cable but I'd bet that we are all in for a treat on what we get in September. We will just have to see will we !

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by adywan

Well I'm hoping that the new mix for ANH will sort out all the problems with the '97 and especially the monstrosity that was the 2004 mix. They do a new mix for 2004 yet they still have the special edition mistake where you can hear X-wings suddenly join the Millennium Falcon vs TIE fighter battle as they escape the death star. And i prey to god that they dial the music back up instead of being buried underneath the sound effects. The music is what really emphasised these scenes NOT just the sound effects.

You and me both. But if Matthew Wood is behind the new mix at all, I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by adywan

And i prey to god that they dial the music back up instead of being buried underneath the sound effects. The music is what really emphasised these scenes NOT just the sound effects.

Boy...I am so with you there, as the boarding of the Rebel ship at the beginning has lost quite a bit of it's impact due to the score now being buried under Ben Burt's sound effects during that shootout.


And speaking of Ben Burt and his sound effects, I hope that tone down some of the SE sound effects that he amped up just for the heck of it: Such as one example when R2 topples over after a Jawa zapps him. It originally sounded normal, but for the SE it now sounds like Burt had someone kick a dumpster off of a building.


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[adywan]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

I have seen all the movies in the last month on cable. Granted this is in 1080i & they look great. The sound tracks from each movie is outstanding & I am sure that it is not even a DTS HD-Master sound track which would leave me to believe that the sound track will be incredible on a Blu-ray disk ~ IMO.

Do you really think that the 5.1 audio track for ANH sounds great? It is one of the worse mixes that movie has ever received. Not only is the music in the surround channels reversed but also many of the sound effects in the front channels are coming from the wrong side. It is just unbearable to listen to. The old 5.1 mix on the 1997 special edition laserdiscs is far superior to this disastrous mix. They wouldn't even admit that they screwed up with the 2004 mix but instead tried to make out it was " a deliberate creative decision". Well whoever made that decision should never ever be allowed to go near a mixing desk ever again. These were rookie mistakes. The dialogue is also screwed up. Dialogue taken from different takes suddenly stuck out like a sore thumb. It was as if they didn't even attempt to mix these takes so they would match other lines spoken. One example is when the Death Star is at Aldreaan and Tarkin says "then name the system." The mix of that is horrendous and jumps out at you, when it never did in any other mix.

I can't bear to listen to the 2004 mix of ANH.

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Boy...I am so with you there, as the boarding of the Rebel ship at the beginning has lost quite a bit of it's impact due to the score now being buried under Ben Burt's sound effects during that shootout.


And speaking of Ben Burt and his sound effects, I hope that tone down some of the SE sound effects that he amped up just for the heck of it: Such as one example when R2 topples over after a Jawa zapps him. It originally sounded normal, but for the SE it now sounds like Burt had someone kick a dumpster off of a building.


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yeh and another one that was amped up/altered was when the stormtrooper hits his head as he walks through the door. There is some behind the scenes footage of Ben Burtt at the mixing desk and he wants to pump up the sound effects and dial back the music and it almost turns into an argument. He just doesn't get that the emotion of a scene is heightened by the musical score and not the damn sound effects. You should never let a sound effects editor have control over a films sound mix as they will usually tend to have their work more prominent than the music. It's like an ego thing.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by adywan

I never said you did have an advanced copy. I think you need to re-read what i wrote. And you have really contradicted yourself with everything you keep saying in that last post. Like i said we don't know for sure yet if they will be the same or not but you keep going on at people who say it probably is going to be the same saying things like "They will be fixed and they will look great" yet you say that no one knows if they are going to be the same or not so how can you keep claiming that?

Sorry Adywan I'm not claiming anything. I think we as star wars fans all want the transfers as far as picture and sound goes for the OT on blu-ray to be great.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Sorry Adywan I'm not claiming anything I think we as star wars fans all want the transfers as far as picture and sound goes for the OT on blu-ray to be great.

I know, but with Luca$films recent track record as far as Star Wars releases go you can't blame people for expecting the worse.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by adywan

Do you really think that the 5.1 audio track for ANH sounds great? It is one of the worse mixes that movie has ever received. Not only is the music in the surround channels reversed but also many of the sound effects in the front channels are coming from the wrong side. It is just unbearable to listen to. The old 5.1 mix on the 1997 special edition laserdiscs is far superior to this disastrous mix. They wouldn't even admit that they screwed up with the 2004 mix but instead tried to make out it was " a deliberate creative decision". Well whoever made that decision should never ever be allowed to go near a mixing desk ever again. These were rookie mistakes. The dialogue is also screwed up. Dialogue taken from different takes suddenly stuck out like a sore thumb. It was as if they didn't even attempt to mix these takes so they would match other lines spoken. One example is when the Death Star is at Aldreaan and Tarkin says "then name the system." The mix of that is horrendous and jumps out at you, when it never did in any other mix.

I can't bear to listen to the 2004 mix of ANH.

What you Have to consider is no one knows what I am hearing as far as a sound track , correct. I have not heard anything out of place as far as which side it is on. The music is vary strong throughout & does not lack anywhere. The bass is another thing that shows itself exactly when it should & where it belongs.

I think the problem is everyone worry's before they really even know.
what it is or going to be & that is just My Opinion !

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by adywan

I know, but with Luca$films recent track record as far as Star Wars releases go you can't blame people for expecting the worse.

I hear you adywan and hopefully LFL has learned from their mistakes. Let's keep our fingers crossed that they have.

[LordCrumb]

Originally Posted by Riddler95

Lucasfilm should have ported over the bonus features from the 2004 DVD Boxset of the Trilogy. That is a loss, the Empire of Dreams documentary is excellent.

Still disappointing that the Original Versions will not be restored in HD and included on the Blu-Ray set.

They have to leave stuff off for the re-releases.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Boy...I am so with you there, as the boarding of the Rebel ship at the beginning has lost quite a bit of it's impact due to the score now being buried under Ben Burt's sound effects during that shootout.


And speaking of Ben Burt and his sound effects, I hope that tone down some of the SE sound effects that he amped up just for the heck of it: Such as one example when R2 topples over after a Jawa zapps him. It originally sounded normal, but for the SE it now sounds like Burt had someone kick a dumpster off of a building.


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I'm with you guys as well. I want the music loud! Especially in Star Wars and Indy. Burtt and his team did the same thing to John Williams' score in Indy 4, it's almost non-existant.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

What you Have to consider is no one knows what I am hearing as far as a sound track , correct. I have not heard anything out of place as far as which side it is on. The music is vary strong throughout & does not lack anywhere. The bass is another thing that shows itself exactly when it should & where it belongs.

I think the problem is everyone worry's before they really even know.
what it is or going to be & that is just My Opinion !

But we do know what soundtrack you are listening to because you have already told us, The HDTV 1080i versions, which contain the same soundtrack as the DVD's. So you are hearing the same messed up soundtrack that i was talking about. So the music does not lack anywhere? Well what happened to the fanfare when the Xwings make their first dive as they approach the Death Star? That is dialled down so low it's hard to even know there is any music there. As for the sound effects just check out the Detention cell shoot-out when they are in the corridor. Just keep an eye on which side the lasers and explosions are and you will notice that a lot of the effects are coming from the wrong speaker, when this had never happened in any other mix this film had ever had. And these are just a couple of examples