Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by FrodoBagginz

This would be an easy answer if it were the unaltered trilogy being on the set.....the best would be 4,5,6,1,2,3. But given the changes Lucas did, the choice of what to watch first is more difficult....mainly because of the addition to Hayden at the end of ROTJ. And the new Emperor scene in ESB where he tells Vader that Luke is his son really destroys the twist at the end.

For the Special Editions, I think people who haven't seen the movies are forced to watch the movies in order (1,2,3,4,5,6) because of the changes to the original trilogy.

But even with the changes, it doesn't change the "twist" that Vader is Luke's father. The emperor says Luke is the son of Anakin Skywalker (the new line sounds so bad); but at that time the audience watching for a first time doesn't know that Vader is Anakin Skywalker; right? Or is there another line that I'm forgetting?

[Cowboy]

My order 456 with crying and complaining all the way through.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by EclipseSSD

I'd also go with internal chronological order 1-6, that's just be, but since you said you wouldn't do PT, then OT, that's not gonna happen.

I wouldn't consider the PT first for a first time viewer, because then you lose the surprise of finding out Vader is Luke's father, Luke and Leia are brother/sister, etc. Since I've seen the movies many times, I wouldn't mind watching in that order though.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by whaleman

I wouldn't consider the PT first for a first time viewer, because then you lose the surprise of finding out Vader is Luke's father, Luke and Leia are brother/sister, etc. Since I've seen the movies many times, I wouldn't mind watching in that order though.

I know. The PT really kills the essence of TESB.

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by whaleman

I wouldn't consider the PT first for a first time viewer, because then you lose the surprise of finding out Vader is Luke's father, Luke and Leia are brother/sister, etc. Since I've seen the movies many times, I wouldn't mind watching in that order though.

Though you don´t know what´s going to happen to most of the characters in the PT if you watch them first. Anakin deciding to hack Mace's hand can be quite surprising I think for someone who has never seen them.

So with both options you lose plot twists.

[FrodoBagginz]

Originally Posted by whaleman

But even with the changes, it doesn't change the "twist" that Vader is Luke's father. The emperor says Luke is the son of Anakin Skywalker (the new line sounds so bad); but at that time the audience watching for a first time doesn't know that Vader is Anakin Skywalker; right? Or is there another line that I'm forgetting?

I haven't seen the movies in a while so I don't know what exactly what was said but I think you are right.

But there still is the issue of Hayden at the end of ROTJ.

And you know.... the people who say watching 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6 with the new special editions actually makes sense now that I really think about it. The newcomer will know that Vader is Anakin after 5 so then episodes 1-3 will tell how he became Vader and then finish the series off with Episode 6 and his redemption. That solves the issue with Hayden cause the newcomer has seen 1-3 before 6 and so won't be confused with the Hayden ghost.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by FrodoBagginz

I haven't seen the movies in a while so I don't know what exactly what was said but I think you are right.

But there still is the issue of Hayden at the end of ROTJ.

And you know.... the people who say watching 4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6 with the new special editions actually makes sense now that I really think about it. The newcomer will know that Vader is Anakin after 5 so then episodes 1-3 will tell how he became Vader and then finish the series off with Episode 6 and his redemption. That solves the issue with Hayden cause the newcomer has seen 1-3 before 6 and so won't be confused with the Hayden ghost.

That we are even having to discuss this stuff like the order just goes to show you how jacked up Lucas got these films.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by Aquel

Though you don´t know what´s going to happen to most of the characters in the PT if you watch them first. Anakin deciding to hack Mace's hand can be quite surprising I think for someone who has never seen them.

So with both options you lose plot twists.

Good point. It's a tough call. Watching the Obi Wan vs Vader light saber duel in Ep4 shortly after seeing them go at it "dance fighting" in Ep3 would be tough to comprehend too. "But remember Yoda against Count Dooku?!?"

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by whaleman

I wouldn't consider the PT first for a first time viewer, because then you lose the surprise of finding out Vader is Luke's father, Luke and Leia are brother/sister, etc. Since I've seen the movies many times, I wouldn't mind watching in that order though.

The other way around you lose the surprise of your hero (and the galaxy) turning to the dark side. It´s a rare opportunity to show these movies to people who haven´t seen one... doesn´t she know Vader is Luke´s father? It´s been quoted to death wherever Star Wars is mentioned.

The only reasonable order is 1,2,3,4,5,6 now that the whole saga is finished. You can of course go for 6,2,4,3,5,1 ... that way you won´t ruin the surprise of Darth Maul and Qui-Gon dying. ;-)

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

The other way around you lose the surprise of your hero (and the galaxy) turning to the dark side. It´s a rare opportunity to show these movies to people who haven´t seen one... doesn´t she know Vader is Luke´s father? It´s been quoted to death wherever Star Wars is mentioned.

The only reasonable order is 1,2,3,4,5,6 now that the whole saga is finished. You can of course go for 6,2,4,3,5,1 ... that way you won´t ruin the surprise of Darth Maul and Qui-Gon dying. ;-)

What hero? Anakin? A Hero is usually likeable in a film. Someone you actually care about. In no way shape or form can you care about Anakin in these films. There is no plight that we follow him through! Between the lousy dialouge and acting not to even mention that they were both brats from the start do we even care about this guy. In fact I found myself cheering for him to even hurry up and become Vader because he was so much more interesting. Not at any point did I feel sorry for this guy......

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Please stop. There are some posters that constantly take up for Lucas. Please stop now as it is our right to complain (just look at the LOTR Thread) Like I have always said If you are getting the product you want from Lucas then thats great! There is no nead to even respond to us venting our frustration. Lucas does not need you to defend him and you will never change the original fans mind on this so why try?

I´m not defending Lucas. I´m just voicing my opinion about the Blu-Rays and Star Wars in general. You can complain about what you want but it is my right to respond and state my opinion also, isn´t it? Changing your opinion is the last thing on my mind. If you don´t like the Star Wars movies for what ever reason it is your loss after all.

The way the Blu-Ray boxes have turned out so far are not the way I would have wished them to be also. Next to a more fitting packaging artwork I would have liked more serious documentaries about the movies and their cultural, cinematic or mythological influences. Or at least some in depth Making Ofs about each of the movies... Most of all I´m hoping for finally finished the Special Editions for the blu-rays.

BUT, if the movies are perfectly mastered which I´m pretty sure about and we get some deleted scenes we haven´t seen I´m not complaining all the time about BDs which aren´t out yet

[The Apocalypse]

We are all passionate for Star Wars here, I presume, in one way or the other, and that is absolutely fantastic. And naturally the differences are likely to cause disagreement. That is inevitable. But I think we should relax, and agree to disagree on certain topics. I love Star Wars, and that is what I think, counts.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

The other way around you lose the surprise of your hero (and the galaxy) turning to the dark side. It´s a rare opportunity to show these movies to people who haven´t seen one... doesn´t she know Vader is Luke´s father? It´s been quoted to death wherever Star Wars is mentioned.

The only reasonable order is 1,2,3,4,5,6 now that the whole saga is finished. You can of course go for 6,2,4,3,5,1 ... that way you won´t ruin the surprise of Darth Maul and Qui-Gon dying. ;-)

So I found out she pretty much knows all the twists. Vader is Luke's father, Luke and Leia are brother/sister and "Princess Leia gets captured at some point" which she learned from Spaceballs lol. Maybe the Qui Gon/Mace Windu mini-twists are the best surprises I can hope for?

[adywan]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

The blu-ray box set of the star wars saga will sell well because it's the biggest release in the history of the blu-ray format. If you don't like it then don't buy it's that simple. And another thing their are a lot of star wars fans that complain about things these days like the ewoks in ROTJ , the prequel films , the special editions of the original trilogy , the clone wars tv series etc. If you don't like theses things about star wars I am not saying your not a fan I am saying you need to reassess your membership to the club. Because haters posing as fans is very dangerous. Star Wars is forever and always will be.

So how is this dangerous? Please explain.

I really hate the way you say that anyone who doesn't like everything Star Wars really need to check their membership to call themselves fans. I have seen you say the same thing on many Star wars related websites. What gives you the right to say that someone isn't a fan because they don't blindly suck up everything Star Wars, no matter how bad certain things are? Everyone has their own opinions about things so how dare you say that someone can't be a "true" fan unless they like ALL the films.

And i don't buy this "generation" excuse that the prequel lovers always seem to come up with. Yes you have the "kids" that think the prequels are awesome but usually mention how great the visuals are when defending it. The "older" ones prefer to have a good story over the flashyness of the prequels, so prefer the OT. But there are a huge number of fans that prefer the OT and dislike the prequels that are really young. So the "generation" argument carries no weight at all.

Originally Posted by shelldweller

The other way around you lose the surprise of your hero (and the galaxy) turning to the dark side. It´s a rare opportunity to show these movies to people who haven´t seen one... doesn´t she know Vader is Luke´s father? It´s been quoted to death wherever Star Wars is mentioned.

The only reasonable order is 1,2,3,4,5,6 now that the whole saga is finished. You can of course go for 6,2,4,3,5,1 ... that way you won´t ruin the surprise of Darth Maul and Qui-Gon dying. ;-)

What surprise? There was never a surprise of Anakin turning to the dark side because we knew that already because 4,5 & 6 came first. Showing the prequels first to someone who had never seen the films completely destroys the big surprises in the OT: The Yoda reveal when Luke first meets him, Vader is the Father, Leia the sister etc.... The order i would show someone who had never seen them would be 4,5,6,1,2 & 3, the order that they were released.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by adywan

So how is this dangerous? Please explain.

I really hate the way you say that anyone who doesn't like everything Star Wars really need to check their membership to call themselves fans. I have seen you say the same thing on many Star wars related websites. What gives you the right to say that someone isn't a fan because they don't blindly suck up everything Star Wars, no matter how bad certain things are? Everyone has their own opinions about things so how dare you say that someone can't be a "true" fan unless they like ALL the films.

And i don't buy this "generation" excuse that the prequel lovers always seem to come up with. Yes you have the "kids" that think the prequels are awesome but usually mention how great the visuals are when defending it. The "older" ones prefer to have a good story over the flashyness of the prequels, so prefer the OT. But there are a huge number of fans that prefer the OT and dislike the prequels that are really young. So the "generation" argument carries no weight at all.

Adywan I understand everyone has their opinion on star wars and all thing star wars. But when some fans pick on and complain about the prequels , the SE's of the OT or anything else when it comes to star wars I get upset. I know I shouldn't but that's the way I feel. Just like star wars all the films and leave it at that. I never said if you don't like the prequels your not a true star wars fan. It's some people on forums and blogs who said that not me. And we are all star wars fans and that's the way it should be.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by adywan

So how is this dangerous? Please explain.

Puerile and pedantic, maybe but agreed 'dangerous' is giving it too much credit

[The Apocalypse]

I think Obi-Wan Kenobi sums it up best when he says "many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view". I really do hope that we can agree to disagree, because as I said, we all here like Star Wars, and that's the important thing.

[Deciazulado]

How you people love to discuss yourselves

[kenkraly2004]

In the end we are all star wars fans now and forever. Star Wars is forever and so are we.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Adywan I understand everyone has their opinion on star wars and all thing star wars. But when some fans pick on and complain about the prequels , the SE's of the OT or anything else when it comes to star wars I get upset. I know I shouldn't but that's the way I feel. Just like star wars all the films and leave it at that. I never said if you don't like the prequels your not a true star wars fan. It's some people on forums and blogs who said that not me. And we are all star wars fans and that's the way it should be.

But why should i have to like all the Star Wars films? tastes vary and you cannot expect everyone to like the same things as you and as passionately. And actually you have said many times that anyone that doesn't like all the films cannot call them selves true fans and becoming pretty aggressive to people who have disagreed with you. But i'm not going to get into all that with you again.

Originally Posted by EclipseSSD

I think Obi-Wan Kenobi sums it up best when he says "many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view". I really do hope that we can agree to disagree, because as I said, we all here like Star Wars, and that's the important thing.

I totally agree with you here. Everyone has their own opinion. It's just a series of movies so there is no right or wrong point of view. I'm not a prequel hater by any means but i can see that they are nowhere near as good as the OT. I can watch them now and then but just can't get as engrossed in them as i can with the 4,5 & 6. Now am i going to be buying the saga Blu-Ray set? No. Is it because I'm protesting against some part about then? Again no. My 10th Wedding Anniversary falls in September so i'm getting them as a present

But the so called true fans who argue with anyone who dare say the hate the prequels or the SE, calling them "haters, really need to take a step back and see that they are doing exactly the same thing as these "haters": pushing their opinions on others as if it's the one big truth. I'm sorry, but it is not.