Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Johnny Neat]

I've been reading this post in and out since it began and I'm one who just feels regardless of changes the films should have been released with the option to see them pre and post changes for film history and preservation. Removing things, such as guns for flashlights in E.T. etc, are/is wrong in my opinion and it becomes worse when the option isn't given to viewers through disk sets.

And to be frank, it should also be wrong to any film appreciators.

In closing, this BD release, of one of my all time movies (trilogies), is tainted and I'm on the fence about purchasing them.

To all who argue for this film to be treated as it should and for pointing out the errors just to educate others, thank you.

[earmullet]

Red Tails stil, (green screen, digital matted planes) and discuss:

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Johnny Neat

I've been reading this post in and out since it began and I'm one who just feels regardless of changes the films should have been released with the option to see them pre and post changes for film history and preservation. Removing things, such as guns for flashlights in E.T. etc, are/is wrong in my opinion and it becomes worse when the option isn't given to viewers through disk sets.

And to be frank, it should also be wrong to any film appreciators.

In closing, this BD release, of one of my all time movies (trilogies), is tainted and I'm on the fence about purchasing them.

To all who argue for this film to be treated as it should and for pointing out the errors just to educate others, thank you.

I agree that it is important to recongnize film history, and I think that you will find that most on this thread would love to see the Unaltered Original Trilogy included in this set with the Altered versions as well. People LOVE options. However, it has been confirmed that the versions on blu will be the altered versions. So, not much you can do about it other than choose not to buy it.

However, much more important at this point (imo), is the transfer in question. The 2004 masters were pretty terrible and that is much more a make or break deal to me.

[wafi]

Originally Posted by Jay444

I agree that it is important to recongnize film history, and I think that you will find that most on this thread would love to see the Unaltered Original Trilogy included in this set with the Altered versions as well. People LOVE options. However, it has been confirmed that the versions on blu will be the altered versions. So, not much you can do about it other than choose not to buy it.

However, much more important at this point (imo), is the transfer in question. The 2004 masters were pretty terrible and that is much more a make or break deal to me.

Is that confirmed then? That they will be the 2004 masters?

[gvatty]

It's now cheaper by $5 to buy the prequel and the original series separately from Amazon vs. purchasing the complete saga. Is there anything to lose by doing this? Are you getting less extras?

[HandyDandy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Neat

I've been reading this post in and out since it began and I'm one who just feels regardless of changes the films should have been released with the option to see them pre and post changes for film history and preservation. Removing things, such as guns for flashlights in E.T. etc, are/is wrong in my opinion and it becomes worse when the option isn't given to viewers through disk sets.

And to be frank, it should also be wrong to any film appreciators.

In closing, this BD release, of one of my all time movies (trilogies), is tainted and I'm on the fence about purchasing them.

To all who argue for this film to be treated as it should and for pointing out the errors just to educate others, thank you.

Always remember that even though they will use the 2004 transfers that no one can confirm nor deny that they will be color corrected for this release.
Wait for the reviews before you decide.

[HandyDandy]

Originally Posted by wafi

Is that confirmed then? That they will be the 2004 masters?

It may be the 2004 editions but no one can confirm that they will be identical in pq quality.

[HandyDandy]

Originally Posted by gvatty

It's now cheaper by $5 to buy the prequel and the original series separately from Amazon vs. purchasing the complete saga. Is there anything to lose by doing this? Are you getting less extras?

If you buy them individually you lose out on getting the 3 bonus discs that come with the complete saga.

[gvatty]

Thanks

[The Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by wafi

Is that confirmed then? That they will be the 2004 masters?

There will be additional changes to the films, what we cannot say for sure just yet, but it's based off the 2004 masters.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by wafi

Is that confirmed then? That they will be the 2004 masters?

No, but early indication seems to point in that direction unfortunately.

[The Apocalypse]

Well, I wouldn't fire a gun at no target, so to speak. all is not yet lost. It's probable that the 2004 masters were used, but that doesn't mean they can't/didn't fix what they could. I'm sure it will at the very least be above average quality.

[Jacobss]

Originally Posted by phatrat1982

how about instead of lumping everyone together into two groups why not just quote and reply to individuals form now on ok Adywan thanks. I tend to respect your opinions a lot on here and your posts usually are informative but I do not like how you think everyone is the same. I personally do not care about the color issues, because to me I never even noticed and if nobody had pointed it out I would still not even know about it. So I am not a supporter or whatever I won't try and argue they are or not the same transfer for me it is just they look good enough so what is all the fuss.


But since I am talking directly to you now I will reply directly to your view point in hopes that you can clear things up for me. Is it really as big of a deal as you and others make it out to be or is it possible your exaggerating it to make a point? Please do not take this as hostility I am only curious because I honestly do not have an issue with the DVD set and before stumbling into this particular thread I have never even heard anyone else have a problem with it either. And I used to frequent the official star wars boards a lot and I have even asked all my friends about it and out side of this thread I have never even heard of the issue, which makes sense because this is the only site I frequent devoted to picture and sound quality so it makes sense people here are particular but that is why I am asking is it possible the problem is not as bad as you make it out to be but more a perfectionist issue? If it is a perfectionist issue I can give you that except to me that leaves it to you, where as those that don't notice issues like that won't really care.

I guess it is because I am one who while I enjoy a good picture I prefer images that are cleaned up and fixed personally, meaning when people complain that grain is removed oh yeah I went there, as one who likes grain removal is it one of those types of deals like you are pro grain and a a perfectionist etc and that is your problem with it or is it because of your hurt feelings over different issues? I am just curious because generally I do respect your views but sometimes it seams like in this regard to me it seams petty and I just want to know is it petty or is it something else?


I am an aspiring film maker myself, just got into school recently and it is fascinating to me as I learn more about this stuff so my opinions are changing all the time as I learn new stuff so I at this point am more curious than anything because you sound knowledgeable but sometimes sound eccentric. So I am hoping you can just clear things up and that would be good for me.


I bring that up because I do care about picture quality to a good degree otherwise I would not be in this forum at all, but I also care more about the story and little things do not usually bother me. OK on the grain issue, Robocop bothered me it look too dirty because of the grain.


I am curious about the history of the films but I suppose you could say I do prefer the six movie saga to have some uniformity so maybe the color issues didn't bother me because they did blend the two together better I don't know. I don't think it is an issue with my eyes or set up because I have had the DVD's since day one and gone through six tv sets and countless dvd players since then and all my friends tell me the same thing so I figure it is just something a perfectionist or someone who really pays attention to detail notices and the rest of the world just doesn't see it maybe?

I hope that Adywan has nothing against, if I partially try to explain some things. First of all, if you didn't notice some problems with the film, it doesn't mean, it isn't there. 7 years ago, when they released SW on DVD, even I (altough I had no clue about film technology back then) noticed problem with colors and sound. I just couldn't explain it back then. When you watch SW 1997 edition (on VHS or Laserdisc) and then you watch 2004 edition, you will notice many problems, which distract from viewing. ANH feels like watching it through rosa glasses. Skin tone also looks pinkish, what makes you feel, that the characters drink too much.

Adywan is a perfectionist, that's true, but many things he says (not all!) are really the problem for the casual viewer. Of course, you meet people who say, they don't see anything. But, isn't it the same thing with people who say, then don't need BD, because they don't see the difference between DVD? Also, you must remember, we are on BD forum. We care about the quality. More than casual viewer, yes. But, the 2004 transfer of SW, can even be problematic for casual viewers. On many places the music is turned down, lightsabres are really bad, what literally disctract casual viewer from the story, because he laughs about it (just like about others bad special effects) and so on (on earlier pages I explained all the problems I noticed as a former casual viewer).

Also, as I said, besides that we are on BD forum, you must remember, that 20-30 years ago, Lucasfilm was all about quality and new technologies. Now it's sad, that 1 person, for non profit, with home computer, can do a better job, than them. It's just sad.

If you want to enter film business, you must be a perfectionist. Otherwise, you will be another bad film director, who will produce just a mess and you will be eaten by other more ambitious people.

[HandyDandy]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Hmm. I wish.

I hope that's from the blu-ray.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Jacobss

Adywan is a perfectionist, that's true, but many things he says (not all!) are really the problem for the casual viewer. Of course, you meet people who say, they don't see anything. But, isn't it the same thing with people who say, then don't need BD, because they don't see the difference between DVD?

Yes, it is VERY MUCH the same thing!

That's what gets me about people who say they don't care, it doesn't bother them, or they just don't notice it (when it comes to the issue of the color timing issues, etc, with the 2004 masters)... it's basically no different than someone saying that DVD is "good enough".

And not to go too far off topic (I'll say this part once and leave it at that.. if anyone cars to respond specifically to the following, please do so in the PEZ Dispencers thread in the Movies section of the forum), when it comes to the argument of the UOT vs. the updated OT, there have been at least a few people who have defended the idea of not releasing the original versions by stating that the general public probably isn't even aware of what all of the differences are, and that it's not worth releasing the originals for the (as they assume it to be) "few" people who notice and/or care (though I would argue that even if the general public couldn't pick up on every minor change, most anyone who saw and remember the originals would notice at least the bigger changes).

I find it amazing that on a site like this... with all of the complaints about "FUD" back during the format war with HD-DVD, and now with the uphill battle of trying to eduate the often misinformed general public about the benefits of Blu-Ray over DVD and trying to shy them away from the typical inaccurate retoric that convinces them that DVD is 'good enough' or 'the same thing as Blu-Ray' when upscaled... that people would actually use the ignorance of the public as a form of reasoning and defense for doing something like this. It's just royally assinine.

I guess by this logic, stealing a $20 dollar bill out of someone's wallet is okay if they forgot how much money they had in their wallet and don't even realize that it's missing the next time they open it up.



It's just amazing how bad the defense gets for Lucas sometimes... even when it comes to the issue of problematic transfers that are likely being used for the Blu-Rays (as seems to be the case from the evidence that we have so far... the video that Adywan posted is VERY telling of that being extremely probable at this point).

This is one thing that everyone should be upset about to some extent or another. Even if it won't stop you from buying the set (which is fine), it should at least prompt a demand for a recall and proper transfer (like what happened with Gladiator on Blu-Ray). It's okay to be upset with Lucas over a bad transfer, even if you otherwise love the PT, updated OT, and the Saga as a whole. It doesn't mean you aren't a fan, it just means that you want the best presentation possible for the material that you are buying. There is nothing wrong with that. Wake up and stop acting like any and all complaints against Lucas are ridiculous, unfounded, and shouldn't exist. Some complaints are worth while and worth fighting for. I think everyone here wants Star Wars on Blu-Ray to be all that it can be. Asking for that... or even demanding that isn't out of line. It's actually very reasonable to want that of one of the biggest movie releases ever on the highest quality video format currently available.

[Jay444]

Does anyone have the e-mail address to contact Lucasfilm? I think if we can get that, maybe we can all e-mail them asking if they are using the 2004 masters? I think I might throw in that crossed sabers/palpatine pic for good measure.

[Deelow537]

Better get scores of 4.5 & 5 at least for PQ & AQ lol

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

But if you watch 4-6 first you cheat people out of the revelation that Palpatine is really Darth Sidious!

They only ever call him Emperor, never Palpatine.
I thought for sure George was gonna pull a last minute Palpatine is a clone of Sidious or vice-versa...

[Lucy Diamond]

I'm so excited for the original trilogy for obvious reasons (I'm 36)

I'm also excited for episode 1 for very different reasons. If you are into tweaking your surrounds, the lightsaber battle at the end is a study in shear insanity. The sound is amazing. Can't wait to have it lossless. I think my brains might melt.

Wait...I forgot about the pod race!!!!

and the arena in Sith!!!

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Yes, it is VERY MUCH the same thing!

That's what gets me about people who say they don't care, it doesn't bother them, or they just don't notice it (when it comes to the issue of the color timing issues, etc, with the 2004 masters)... it's basically no different than someone saying that DVD is "good enough".

Wise words. Those who don't care about the quality of the transfers and just say "it's all about the movies", I don't get why they don't just buy (or presumably keep) the DVD sets. There's no waiting, just go out and pick them up at any store.

It would be one thing if we were on a "film appreciators" forum, then it would make sense for people to simply only care about the movie and the story and not the presentation, but we are on a Blu-ray forum. Just does not compute.