Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

Sorry Beast, I was tracking down the article on that site and editing as you posted. Check my original post again and see if it was the second link?

Yeah, I saw it. Thanks! And good lord, do you think they could have used a small enough font? My poor eyes.

But yeah, that was it. But only one small part deals with why they had to keep keep 2004 Digital Masters.

[Jumpman]

merlinpants,

But, would it really be a new rescan of the Original Trilogy, if they scanned it at 1080p or 2K in '04?

If I'm understanding it right, if they did indeed do a rescan of the Original Trilogy, they'd go back to the negative they made in '04 to create this Blu Ray or would they go back to the '97 negative to do a rescan...or wouldn't they just have the high quality digital files from the '04 work?

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by marlon dingle

This month's Empire Magazine has a look at 5 deleted scenes from the Blu-Ray. Haven't had a chance to look at it but it says this on their website, for their Magazine preview.



I'm a subscriber so hopefully should get a look at this sometime this week. If I have time I'll upload scans if anyone wants a look too?

Good spot, please do upload. Keep your fingers crossed it isn't the usual PR puff piece like the DVD review article that was full of assumptions and falsehoods. Empire are usually quite good, but will no doubt have Lucasfilm looking over their shoulder.

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I had to shrink the image so it would upload, but it says:

Star Wars deleted scenes!
Luke builds a lightsabre!
Uncut Wampa attack!
The Speilberg Chase! - what the hell is that

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

merlinpants,

But, would it really be a new rescan of the Original Trilogy, if they scanned it at 1080p or 2K in '04?

If I'm understanding it right, if they did indeed do a rescan of the Original Trilogy, they'd go back to the negative they made in '04 to create this Blu Ray or would they go back to the '97 negative to do a rescan...or wouldn't they just have the high quality digital files from the '04 work?

Sorry Jumpman, I wouldn't have a clue. I was just quoting that article that stated Lowry felt the existing scans were only good for SD. If I understand it, the negative is now a digital one, so would scans even be required anymore? The trouble being if the original was scanned at 1080p, could they upgrade the resolution without rescanning? I will yield to more technically astute members on that one.

Again, that article states the scan, if required, would have to come from '04 or they would have to re-do all of the changes made for the DVD release if they used '97 as the source of the scan. I'm getting dizzy just writing about it

[Jumpman]

merlinpants,

Yeah, that's where I'm having trouble figuring this out. The '97 Special Editions were rescanned after their restoration work that begin in '94 for the '04 DVDs.

After Lucas made more alterations to the films for the '04 DVDs, he should have high quality digital files of the Original Trilogy from '04. If that's the case, he wouldn't have to rescan any negative to create these Blu Ray masters. All he'd have to do is make more alterations to the digital files and those would be the new digital files.

The grey area is at what resolution did Lucas originally scan the films in order to create the '04 DVDs?

The other question is how long have they've been working on the image for these Blu Rays? We know that Matthew Wood has been working on the audio since '07? Have they been working on the visual that long as well?

Yeah, it does get a bit technical.

[Beast]

Maybe when they prepare the OT versions for 3-D they'll re-scan and re-render all this stuff.

But the OT dicscs shouldn't look terrible just due to the older scan. Since AotC and RotS only have similar digital files.

And those looked great on the big screen, especially in Digital Theaters and IMAX back in 2002 and 2005.

[Jumpman]

Beast,

Very true. In order to prep the 3D releases, how far did they go back? That's a good, good question.

I don't know if they would re-render everything. I've read that they've rotoscopped everything...everything supervised by John Knoll.

[Merlinpants]

Jumpman,

I have read numerous articles (2) that state they have recomped the effects shots to overcome matte lines etc in the blu ray release.

If they have gone that far, is it a stretch to believe they went back to the '97 negative, rescanned and HAVE re-done all of the effect changes in the '04 release. It would make it easier to return things like the Han shooting first scene if they have chose to do this.

If they have really spent 3-4 years on this as reported, will be using this as the basis for the 3D releases of each film, will become the final definitive cut of the film to be preserved for eternity as GL final vision, wouldn't they have thrown some money at it? Would 20th century Fox not have bankrolled a part of this in return for the distribution rights of not only the PT but the blu ray and future releases?

I guess we don't have to wait too long to find out.

Go strap yourselves in, this set is hopefully gonna make the jump to lightspeed!

[HandyDandy]

I wonder when the marketing will start for the 3d versions?!?

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Beast

To be fair, it was noted quite a while back in the thread that it would require re-rendering everything to do a rescan.

Since apparently the Digital Files are the only versions available with the all the additional edits and tweaks of the 2004 DVDs.

It would be ungodly expensive in the case such as A New Hope, where there's tons of minor changes all through the film.

So at best they could only create a Frankenstein cut where it was two different sources being combined together.

I wish I could find the post. It's from some Star Wars website that talks about the things that were done to the films.

Stay on target....

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

I had to shrink the image so it would upload, but it says:

Star Wars deleted scenes!
Luke builds a lightsabre!
Uncut Wampa attack!
The Speilberg Chase! - what the hell is that

*Blinks* Not a damn clue on the Spielberg Chase. I'm trying to figure out what it could be.

I just looked through the list of the deleted scenes. And nothing is really a chase.

Perhaps there's yet another deleted scene that nobody is aware of was filmed. Damn, C'mon Sept. 16th!

Heh. Maybe it'll end up being a test scene that Spielberg shot for RotJ before the Director's Guild stopped him from directing?

[Jumpman]

merlinpants,

The '97 restoration negative are of the theatrical cuts yes?

The digital file of the '97 negative is where they made the alterations to produce the '97 Special Editions yes?

If so and those articles are true, it's not a stretch, especially since they have been working on the 3D release for a long while. It sounds as if the preparation for the 3D release of these films was in conjunction with the Blu Ray release...hence the time spent on the audio and possibly the visuals.

[marlon dingle]

Originally Posted by fat_rancor_keeper

I am pretty happy they haven't replaced the rancor with some CG version.

To be fair I read something recentley that said that Stop Motion nowadays is more expensive to do now properly in movies than CGI. That's why it's pretty much been replaced.

Rancor looks super bad ass in ROTJ.

[quigonjinn]

Originally Posted by Beast

*Blinks* Not a damn clue on the Spielberg Chase. I'm trying to figure out what it could be.

I just looked through the list of the deleted scenes. And nothing is really a chase.

Perhaps there's yet another deleted scene that nobody is aware of was filmed. Damn, C'mon Sept. 16th!

Heh. Maybe it'll end up being a test scene that Spielberg shot for RotJ before the Director's Guild stopped him from directing?

Yes there is a chase sequence:
Utapau:
Utapau Overview
Deleted/Extended Scene: Utapau Chase Animatics
The Collection: 360° Turnarounds / Video Commentaries
Concept Art Gallery

So we know that Spielberg has directed some scenes in ROTS, especially a part of the Yoda/Sidious duel.
So maybe the Spielberg Chase is an early version of the Utapau chase between Grievous and Obi-Wan...
WHat do you think?

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

merlinpants,

The '97 restoration negative are of the theatrical cuts yes?

The digital file of the '97 negative is where they made the alterations to produce the '97 Special Editions yes?

If so and those articles are true, it's not a stretch, especially since they have been working on the 3D release for a long while. It sounds as if the preparation for the 3D release of these films was in conjunction with the Blu Ray release...hence the time spent on the audio and possibly the visuals.

Agreed. In fact I have posted previously that the Phantom Menace 3D print is already locked. There is no way they would be working on two different versions of the same film without using the exact same source. I believe the blu rays will be the final definitive cut, and in order to be so, GL must have pushed some cash in that direction. ILM back in '97 was just getting started with the digital realm. We are now 14 years down the line. The cost of redoing the shots would have plummeted. GL quoted £10 million to do the special editions in '97 (all paid for by Fox), what cost today?

I don't want to get ahead of ourselves here, because none of the preview reviews have quoted anything other than a fantastic picture quality, and that can be achieved easily from a 1080p scan on the right set up. As Beast said, the prequels looked mighty fine on the big screen and I certainly won't be watching the films on a screen the size of a side of a house.

[Toxa]

the HD Broadcast was already awesome

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1305

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Toxa

the HD Broadcast was already awesome

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1305

Awesome! Thanks for the link! And people need to remember that's all filmed with a 1080p camera.

So a 2K scan of the OT with the proper love and attention should look fantastic on the Blu-Ray.

Wow... if RotS looks that fantastic or even better on the Blu-Ray it's going to be a thing of beauty!

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Toxa

the HD Broadcast was already awesome

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1305

LOL, the last time the McGregor forehead mole took its cinematic bow in full HD. Horrific!!!!

[Jumpman]

Yeah, those screenshots are pretty nice.

merlinpants,

I completely agree with you. What we get on Blu Ray will be the 3D version. The question is, how much and how far did Lucas go back to do this release?

[Toxa]

Originally Posted by Beast

To be fair, it was noted quite a while back in the thread that it would require re-rendering everything to do a rescan.

Since apparently the Digital Files are the only versions available with the all the additional edits and tweaks of the 2004 DVDs.

It would be ungodly expensive in the case such as A New Hope, where there's tons of minor changes all through the film.

So at best they could only create a Frankenstein cut where it was two different sources being combined together.

I wish I could find the post. It's from some Star Wars website that talks about the things that were done to the films.

thanks but since when money is an issue for lucasfilm ?