Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Jumpman]

adywan,

You have no agenda in this argument? Really?!

All I'm asking you is to wait instead of continuing to try to prove that you're right and everyone else is wrong when it comes to all matters pertaining to Star Wars.

[Merlinpants]

Lets stop with the attacks on Adywan and all the others as well. If it wasn't for these guys, we either wouldn't know about the faults, and would still be receiving a sub-standard product, or Lucasfilm would not be amending the faults as no-one would have been pointing them out.

The humdinger glitch was found by someone at OT.com, they have fixed it. Would they have if it wasn't pointed out?

Hoth was blue, vaders sabre was pink, yoda was glow in the dark green because of abysmal colour timing errors on the '04 transfer. Thanks to these guys, they have gone in to amend it. Hopefully we will be getting a product much closer to the original product with all of the, in some cases, unwanted amendments.

This thread was useful for news when I first visited and thats why I came here. It has now become a haven for endless debates about low quality images and videos that no-one knows if they even represent the finished product. PT vs OT, who cares, its Star Wars. All the moaning in the world is not going to change things, the discs are printed and probably about to be sent to retailers. At this point all we can do is hope. I for one am optimistic, only because this will be my last Star wars movie purchase.

[hipster.doofus7]

Originally Posted by adywan

Should we all bury our heads in the sand and agree with those that say that these promotional images prove that the colour problems with the 2004 versions have been fixed, when these said images prove nothing, that the perceived difference was in fact just a difference in colour space?

No. People should at least wait until the Blu-Rays are actually out before they start moaning and whining about them.

[earmullet]

New post.

http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Star-W...rt-3-of-3/9438

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

No. People should at least wait until the Blu-Rays are actually out before they start moaning and whining about them.

A voice of reason in the sea of madness. God bless you and all that sail on you

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by earmullet

New post.

http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Star-W...rt-3-of-3/9438

Yesterdays news, my point exactly, the important news gets lost in all the endless pointless debating about nothing in here.

[Jumpman]

merlinpants,

See, I disagree. Even if the people over at originaltrilogy.com continue to point out fault after fault, it's how their doing it and why their doing it, when they know the end, at least for them, has already been written.

Some of us can see the faults, point out the faults, and still enjoy these films. And yet, it's been drowned out by a select few who feel the need to let everyone know that they're knuckleheads for enjoying whatever Lucasfilm throws at us. "You don't care about the preservation of film history if you enjoy these Special Editions"

Get the hell out of here with that crap....

I'm sorry but I'm not wasting time nor should anyone else should with an issue that's not going to change...on something that's not even really that important when it's all said and done.

People have wasted their time arguing about 3 films for the past 14 years out of a sense of entitlement...which I just don't get.

All some of us are asking is to just wait until the 16th before we start claiming victory in another battle about what the real Star Wars films are and who are the real fans.

Sheesh....

[22soultaker]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

No. People should at least wait until the Blu-Rays are actually out before they start moaning and whining about them.

In his defense he doesnt have to wait the Blu Ray to be out. I mean from the footage we already have and the photos combined, if hes finding issues on just those then yea id be worried about the Blu Ray as well. For most there just small mistakes that we can live with but for him its more. Obviously he feels they didnt spend enough time and money to make it perfect.

[chip75]

Maybe someone could explain it to me but I don't get this 'these aren't from the Blu-ray and do not represent the quality of the Blu-ray image' statements from Lucasfilm. Are they rescaled BD captures or altered HD master captures. Why confuse people?

We're all reasonabe to some extent and we understand that a Jpeg resized and/or compressed is not always a true representation of what will appear on our displays but why show these mock-ups? Do people at Lucasfilm have nothing better to do?

It would have been 100% better in my opinion to release a little video, nothing fancy an over the should shot of one of the tech guy or girl looking at a monitor (like the ones on the SE's tapes or the Lord of the Rings Digital Grading featurette) week by week showing what they have been up to. I don't think one is going to be on the Blu-rays, it would have been an ideal opportunity for the fans to see what was going on.

Did Lucasfilm think we'd all ask for our money back from the DVD's we bought seven years ago if they admitted they needed correcting? All it it does is leave more rumours and speculation grow. They seem to be transparent regarding some details and cagey about others. I'm sure a lot of people (who were hoping for the faults to be corrected) want to know before-hand what they're actually buying.

[P@t_Mtl]

Here is something a bit different concerning the releases, to change about the rest of the stuff

So who among you will actually be here in this forum on the 16, 17 and 18 (the first weekend) posting about it or will you be watching the Blu-ray instead?

[Truewitt]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

But Adywan, you are making an assumption that the image is indicative of the finished product, and not just a touch up job from Lucasfilm for promo.

Can we all just wait for the finished product, and then we will all have confirmation of what has been done. Best case scenario, it is a revelation and the pinnacle of Blu ray, worst case scenario, your getting a HD version of the '04 DVD with some cracking extras.

Either way, no-one if forcing you to buy it, that is everyones own decision.

Dang, only Star Wars can have this much debate about how it looks before the thing is even released and anyone has even seen it.

All the previews seem to confirm that the '04 issues are a thing of the past. If you are seeing an image/video with the issue present, chances are you are not seeing the finished product. I just said it again didn't I. That's it, I'm out.

Actually, no. People need reading comprehension courses. He's saying the exact opposite. He's stating that if they changed the things they say they changed, the shots are not indicative of it. Thus, it is likely that the images are "not" from the BD.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

So who among you will actually be here in this forum on the 16, 17 and 18 (the first weekend) posting about it or will you be watching the Blu-ray instead?

Dude I will not be here at all after the release except to add a simple comment like "they look great" or "they look like crap".

I hope to watch TPM on 9/16, then maybe AOTC by Sunday.

There's football that weekend that takes precedence.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by Truewitt

Actually, no. People need reading comprehension courses. He's saying the exact opposite. He's stating that if they changed the things they say they changed, the shots are not indicative of it. Thus, it is likely that the images are "not" from the BD.

Thank you. That is exactly what i was saying.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by adywan

Thank you. That is exactly what i was saying.

I don't think that's what you were saying every time at all, but here's my question for you: do you want these to look good, or are you trying to find faults so you don't have to buy them?

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Chordata

Dude I will not be here at all after the release except to add a simple comment like "they look great" or "they look like crap".

I hope to watch TPM on 9/16, then maybe AOTC by Sunday.

There's football that weekend that takes precedence.

Well I don't care about the NFL (most boring league in the world in my opinion) and not the CFL would make me miss Star Wars

Since I have the day of on the 16 I plan to start with A New Hope and make my way down the list, then the special features on Saturday

[gallandro]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

No. People should at least wait until the Blu-Rays are actually out before they start moaning and whining about them.

God bless you... but you know that's not possible.

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by chip75

Maybe someone could explain it to me but I don't get this 'these aren't from the Blu-ray and do not represent the quality of the Blu-ray image' statements from Lucasfilm. Are they rescaled BD captures or altered HD master captures. Why confuse people?

We're all reasonabe to some extent and we understand that a Jpeg resized and/or compressed is not always a true representation of what will appear on our displays but why show these mock-ups? Do people at Lucasfilm have nothing better to do?

It would have been 100% better in my opinion to release a little video, nothing fancy an over the should shot of one of the tech guy or girl looking at a monitor (like the ones on the SE's tapes or the Lord of the Rings Digital Grading featurette) week by week showing what they have been up to. I don't think one is going to be on the Blu-rays, it would have been an ideal opportunity for the fans to see what was going on.

Did Lucasfilm think we'd all ask for our money back from the DVD's we bought seven years ago if they admitted they needed correcting? All it it does is leave more rumours and speculation grow. They seem to be transparent regarding some details and cagey about others. I'm sure a lot of people (who were hoping for the faults to be corrected) want to know before-hand what they're actually buying.

In short, they have to promote the product and the most effective way today is through the internet. But, some people have poor speed (even dial-up) so to place a true image/video on line would not only eat up huge amounts of bandwidth, but would be unaccessible to loads of people and therefore pointless and incredibly expensive to do in terms of hosting cost. By using highly compressed videos and highly compressed images, they are able to show what is coming, albeit not a true reflection.

In addition, marketing plans would have been drawn up for this at the beginning of the year, or even when GL made the announcement. They would only have access to whatever was available at that time, namely the original '04 HD 1080p transfer. This was used for trailers, but the fan base cried out in horror at things like the crossed sabres being present. To answer this, they go back and tweak and begin showing footage and stills that deliberately answer fan queries, but still not from the Blu as per the bandwidth and download restrictions as before.

Remember, the moments site still has images and video with garbage mattes, but Denis Muren and the official site have confirmed these have been cleaned up on a case by case basis. Why are they on the site then? Because of the material available to the site producers at the time the site was created prior to going through its legal verification process (which can take months).

The VAST majority of the buying public won't be visting Star Wars sites at this point, but will wait for advertising to hit TV before they even becomes aware of this release and make their buying decision. In Europe, HD TV is in its infancy, so the advertising will reach most people in SD, an oxymoron in itself, but exactly the same as using '04 transfer to advertise '11 transfer product. It is the way of the world unfortunately and most never notice it or even care. Marketing is not something executed overnight as most people seem to think it is.

The Blu ray wasn't even locked until after comic-con, we have that confirmed by the amending of the humdginger glitch. But do you think a company the size of Lucasfilm or indeed fox could get marketing material signed off by lawyers, george lucas himself and the myriad of middle management that would have a stake in it within a few weeks. Of course not, I should know, its what I do for a living. Most of this stuff being drip fed out has been sitting at Lucasfilm for months. Long before the blu ray was finalised. We are getting glimpses of an improved product (TPM transfer springs to mind) but not the final product as it would not have been available at the time the material was being produced.

Now I am knackered and bored of myself

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

Now I am knackered and bored of myself

It still wouldn't kill them to stick a little video on their site showing what they were actually doing with the release though. I think you may be over-thinking it. Some things are quite simple to do....

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

So who among you will actually be here in this forum on the 16, 17 and 18 (the first weekend) posting about it or will you be watching the Blu-ray instead?

Well us lucky SOB's in the UK will have had four glorious days with them (even more for the pre-order crowd), I wonder if you'll all be migrating to the UK thread?

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by adywan

But i wasn't, that's the thing.

You're right, I hadn't even seen you post in context. I apologise.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by Chordata

I don't think that's what you were saying every time at all, but here's my question for you: do you want these to look good, or are you trying to find faults so you don't have to buy them?

No, i want them to look good. Why would i bother getting them if i wanted them to look bad? There are better things for me to waste my money on than a product i would want to see as a botched product. Lucasfilm has had 7 years to get these problems fixed and say that the 2004 set was rushed. I've already pre-ordered the complete saga set and will be picking it up from the store as soon as it opens on the 12th. I'm excited for the Blu-Rays and i don't "hate" the special editions either. They got the colour right while doing the restoration for the 1997 SE's so why can't they do the same thing now as they have had plenty of time to fix the issues of the 2004 versions?

Is that so much to ask that we get a quality product in 2011? If these Blu-Rays look great then i'm not going to be saying they look crap just because people think i have a problem with George & Lucasfilm, because i don't. I'll be one of the first to praise these sets.