Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Illy Scorsese

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

actually its NO.........................NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

You have to have taste, before you have different tastes.

TPM is a bad movie to be sure (although parts are enjoyable) but it's going over the line to call someone tasteless just because they like a movie that you don't. If he likes TPM, how does that affect you?

[earmullet]

Originally Posted by BMM

The negative reviews continue to pour in at Amazon. Hopefully unsuspecting buyers will read the comments and find out what they're getting before plunking down their hard-earned cash.

Agreed and this review says it all:

"These latest scene changes are the final proof that George Lucas has lost his mind, however they are NOT the main reason why I just cancelled my blu-ray pre-order. I had been excitedly counting down the days until this release, but this time George/Lucasfilm has given the whole Star Wars community the middle finger by not correcting many of the problems (color) which plagued the 2004 release. This blu-ray has virtually all of the same issues as the DVD. I'm talking about Vader's bubblegum pink lightsaber, the super high orange or purple explosions opposed to the more realistic white hot/yelow effects. These were especially noticable during the Battle of Yavin, Tantive IV shootout, and the carbon freezing chamber duel. They stuck out to the point to where they were almost distracting. After seeing the prequels, it's hard enough to still view Vader as that ultimate bad a** villian I feared in my childhood, but it's now near impossible to do it when he's chasing after Luke with a pink lightsaber.

Lucasfilm has been made well aware of these issues thru complaints made by ticked off fans since the DVD launched 7 years ago. Now in the last year of hyping up of this Blu Ray release, Lucasfilm has assured us Star Wars fans that our complaints had been heard and addressed in this release, the Blu-Ray would NOT have the same color and audio problems as the dvd's, they went back to the original negatives and spent 3 years fixing these particular problems, they manually went thru frame by frame in the problem scenes fixing and making other color corrections to bring them close again to the original theatrical versions.

Heck Starwars.com displays a screenshot of Luke's fixed blue lightsaber on the Millenium Falcon in ANH, boasting about how they went back and fixed these problems. I have seen the Blu-Rays myself and I can confirm this is NOT the case!! Yes it is fixed for that particular frame and a few other frames, but the next shot of the same scene his lightsaber shifts back to green, just like in the screwed up dvd release, then goes to bright white, then back to a very pale blue color. Yes they fixed ONLY a small portion of that scene, left the rest of it untouched with the wrong color, while implying that the whole thing has been corrected. The lightsaber scenes in the other movies, Empire Strikes Back & Return of the Jedi, are practically UNTOUCHED WITH THE SAME color and timing problems that the DVD's have. It's like Lucasfilm is only willing to put in a half a** effort in anything they release anymore.... and why not?? If it says Star Wars on the box it's going to sell.

Now for the changed scenes:

A New Hope

- When R2-D2 hides in the shallow cave from the Sand People, there have been CGI rocks added in. The new rocks now cover up half of R2's body which makes him hidden better. However when he leaves a few seconds later, he just pulls forward and the rocks simply disappear!! Did they just forget to alter that scene too?

- Obi-Wan's introduction, he scares the Sand People away with a Krayt dragon call, has been redone again and now sounds like a jr. high kid making funny noises in Windows sound recorder. When I first heard it I thought no way, it's someone pulling a joke. It's sounds so bad and is so out of place, they made absolutely no effort to mix it in at all. You'll just have to hear it for yourselves... but sadly it's real. Unbelievable

- Greedo still shoots first. It is alot better than the DVD version.


Empire Strikes Back

- Wampa's arm in fixed. Looks good about time.


Return of the Jedi

- Jabba's Palace has a bigger door... ok?

- New CGI alien walking around in Jabba's palace as everyone sleeps. Poorly done and sticks out worse than a sore thumb... looks like Sebulba from Episode I?

- Ewok's now have CGI eyelids, blink, and sometimes make a clicking noise when they do. (maybe a tribute to Muppets/Fraggle Rock?)

- Darth Vader now screams "Noooooooooooo" as he picks up and throws the emperor, much like the way he does at the end of Episode III.... now twice!! This ruins a great and one of my favorite scenes. It's bad. The voice doesn't even sound like Vader's and it's just lazily pasted over the rest of the audio. Lucasfilm didn't make the effort to blend in at all..... what are they thinking????? If you really feel you need to add something like that, at least attempt a decent job.

This has just gotten laughingly ridiculous. There is no excuse this time for ignoring what the fans want and taking away more of the original magic the movies had back in the 70's and 80's. Besides the deleted scenes, this is not a quality release. I've cancelled my pre-order and I'm done with anything new to do with Star Wars. This includes the new upcoming 3d versions which will no doubt have even more stupid changes and conveniently opens the door for yet another Blu-Ray release. I have my unaltered copies on my bonus DVD and that's all I need.

I urge anyone who feels the same way to NOT fill the pockets of George Lucas anymore!! I don't understand how they think it's necessary tinker with new stupid voiceovers and Ewok eyes, but not fix the more obvious and distracting problems of this and the previous release. All the while Lucasfilm insinuated, just as recently as last week, that they had indeed corrected those problems..... THAT IS FALSE ADVERTISING!! They also claimed to have exhaustively sent this set thru 3 levels of quality control which is either another lie or Lucas has the most elite team of a** kissers ever assembled. I've defended the first two prequels, the Special Editions, and George Lucas himself over the years, but I'm done. For the first time in 25 years they will not be getting another dime of my money."

[Jar Jar Stinks]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

Ok,

I'm going to give this a try (3rd times a charm?).

How many units will this sell? Let's count all 3 versions - PT/OT/Saga - totaled together.

My guess is 750k to 1million.

What is your guess?

How about some context for your question? Would a million be good? How many sets of the Back to the Future trilogy sold? LOTR?

[bkbluray]

That review really does say it all. If they had made the necessary color corrections and restorations, it would make it a much higher quality set.

[BMM]

Originally Posted by bkbluray

That review really does say it all. If they had made the necessary color corrections and restorations, it would make it a much higher quality set.

Yup, I could even overlook most of the changes(except for the Vader "NOOOOO" of course) if they had just taken some time to make the colors look somewhat realistic.

[bkbluray]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

What? The saber brightness and color timing issues have been corrected.

[Show spoiler]

But I thought that was only in a few scenes? Isn't Vader's lightsaber still pink?

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by bkbluray

But I thought that was only in a few scenes? Isn't Vader's lightsaber still pink?

I'm assuming since they fixed the other lightsaber colors, they fixed this one as well. The fixes and corrections seem quite extensive based on all the information.

[Pondosinatra]

Originally Posted by earmullet

...

I urge anyone who feels the same way to NOT fill the pockets of George Lucas anymore!! I don't understand how they think it's necessary tinker with new stupid voiceovers and Ewok eyes, but not fix the more obvious and distracting problems of this and the previous release. All the while Lucasfilm insinuated, just as recently as last week, that they had indeed corrected those problems..... THAT IS FALSE ADVERTISING!! They also claimed to have exhaustively sent this set thru 3 levels of quality control which is either another lie or Lucas has the most elite team of a** kissers ever assembled. I've defended the first two prequels, the Special Editions, and George Lucas himself over the years, but I'm done. For the first time in 25 years they will not be getting another dime of my money."

According to digital bits, all the color correction issues, light saber inconsistencies etc. have been fixed...

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...s/preview.html

[ninjastar2120]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I'm assuming since they fixed the other lightsaber colors, they fixed this one as well. The fixes and corrections seem quite extensive based on all the information.

According to the last 100 pages or so ... they fixed a few frames of select scenes across the 3 movies (4 - 6). We still have pink and lack of flare lightsabers to deal with.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by ninjastar2120

According to the last 100 pages or so ... they fixed a few frames of select scenes across the 3 movies (4 - 6). We still have pink and lack of flare lightsabers to deal with.

Based on...what exactly? The people who have actually seen the Blu-Ray's in motion, such as Bill Hunt, claim that all of the various color and saber issues have been corrected.

It's like Star Wars fans are looking for and in this instance fabricating reasons to bitch and moan about Star Wars.

[Brad1963]

Thankfully I have zero interest in these films. But I think it is wrong that he will not keep these films intact and as fans remember them.

[ninjastar2120]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Based on...what exactly? The people who have actually seen the Blu-Ray's in motion, such as Bill Hunt, claim that all of the various color and saber issues have been corrected.

It's like Star Wars fans are looking for and in this instance fabricating reasons to ***** and moan about Star Wars.

It's actually based on the recent leaks of the Blu-rays that many have gotten their hands on and actually watched. And from them, the persons who've also brought to light the changes, also brought to light the lack of visual updates including the lightsabers. Certain frames such as the Vader/Luke crossblade in ROTJ and the Falcon training in ANH have been fixed ... but the rest of the scenes are inconsistent with the look very close, if not the same, as the 2004 DVD release.

[Beast]

Anything new happen on the last 12 pages since I went and took a snooze?

No? Carry on.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

I wonder what Richard Marquand would have thought about the "No...NOOOO!"

And I wonder what James Earl Jones thinks about it, maybe even saying it originally for this scene before it was cut out and now re-inserted?

Originally Posted by C A Iversen

I wonder if it's possible that Lucas turned up at James Earl Jones' house and told him what scene he was planning to insert audio into and Jones basically said "No.....Noooooooo!"

And Lucas stood up and said, "that'll do nicely James" and walked out with his pocket recording device?

Well, here is the answer for Mr. Jones part-


_________________


They actually got James Earl Jones to record the lines, by accident.

*phone rings*
"Hello Mr.Jones, we'd like for you to come in and record a few more dialogue samples for Darth Vader for the new Star Wars Blu-Rays."
"Nooooo."
"I'm sorry, what was that?"
"I SAID NOOOO! STOP CALLING ME!"
*hangs up*

...

"He hung up...did it record ok Ben?"
"Hah, I got it!"



_________________



Thanks to chubigans over at neogaf for poviding the info on the recording of Vader's new lines.




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[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by ninjastar2120

It's actually based on the recent leaks of the Blu-rays that many have gotten their hands on and actually watched. And from them, the persons who've also brought to light the changes, also brought to light the lack of visual updates including the lightsabers. Certain frames such as the Vader/Luke crossblade in ROTJ and the Falcon training in ANH have been fixed ... but the rest of the scenes are inconsistent with the look very close, if not the same, as the 2004 DVD release.

How come only people who hate it seem to have gotten hold of the Blu-rays. I believe none of it until they're released and reviewed by someone reputable.

And I have no axe to grind...I haven't even pre-ordered them and I'm only a bit of a fan. If the reviewers say they're great (even if they have a few faults), I'll probably buy and if they say they suck, I won't. Even if I do buy them, I'll watch them once and probably won't watch again until ten years from now. I never even bothered with the DVDs. By the time I was interested, BD was on the way. I've still got my unaltered VHS THX versions, although I probably soon won't have anything to play them on.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Well, here is the answer for Mr. Jones part-

[Show spoiler]_________________


They actually got James Earl Jones to record the lines, by accident.

*phone rings*
"Hello Mr.Jones, we'd like for you to come in and record a few more dialogue samples for Darth Vader for the new Star Wars Blu-Rays."
"Nooooo."
"I'm sorry, what was that?"
"I SAID NOOOO! STOP CALLING ME!"
*hangs up*

...

"He hung up...did it record ok Ben?"
"Hah, I got it!"



_________________



Thanks to chubigans over at neogaf for poviding the info on the recording of Vader's new lines.




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And now we're resorting to repeated callbacks of lame jokes from pages back? Seriously?

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Bukax42

It changes EVERYTHING. But as someone says, some people gonna by even shit with Star Wars title on it, so good for you.

Everything huh? What specifically does it change?

[HyperRealist]

Wow, it is going for $110 new on Amazon. I paid like $25 for my set.
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Comp.../dp/B001EN71DG

[Beast]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

Wow, it is going for $110 new on Amazon. I paid like $25 for my set.
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Comp.../dp/B001EN71DG

*Chuckles* So people are actuallly paying more for that set rather than buying the Blu-Ray?

Guess they should have bought it when it was offered, rather than having a fit about the Non-Anamprphic LD cuts.