Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I care.

Bulls-eye!!!

[Uxi]

Just finished Episode V. I'll wrap up the original I-VI screening tomorrow with ROTJ. Definitely a better experience watching them numerically back to back IMO. Gives a whole different spin to Ep IV, in particular.

I watched them originally IV-VI in the theaters and then the special editions and then prequels in the theaters. On DVD, don't think I ever did a marathon in any order, usually just watching favorite scenes like Duel of the Fates or the Battle of Endor or the Battle of Yavin or Battle of the Heroes, etc. This has been pretty fun the last few days.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Same here, well except I discovered them on VHS Before the '97 SE's so largely unchanged when I started watching them

There weren't any changes to the films before the '97 SE were there?

Here's the wiki list of all of the different changes over the years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rs_re-releases

It is wiki, so it might not be 100% acurate, but an interesting read.

[Waboman]

Chewie must have fixed the hyper-drive. In less time then the Kessel run, my UK version (with superior packaging) arrived today. I was planning on heading to Tosche Station to pick up a few Newcastles and fish & chips. But alas, I can waste time there later.

Now it's finally time to enjoy the Force in all it's lossless bliss.

[Mavrick]

I'm gunna have to dig out a VHS player lol.

I have A New Hope on VHS but as seen in my Home Theater gallery on the lieft, but it still says Star Wars on the box. So I want to see if A New Hope has been added to the opening crawl.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

Bulls-eye!!!

I didn't think that you just arbitrarily said that.

Originally Posted by Uxi

Definitely a better experience watching them numerically back to back IMO. Gives a whole different spin to Ep IV, in particular.

I almost always watch 3 & 4 back to back. I love the way it effects my mindset on 4.

Originally Posted by Waboman

Chewie must have fixed the hyper-drive. In less time then the Kessel run, my UK version (with superior packaging) arrived today. I was planning on heading to Tosche Station to pick up a few Newcastles and fish & chips. But alas, I can waste time there later.

Now it's finally time to enjoy the Force in all it's lossless bliss.

Congrats Wabo! I think you're in for a treat. The audio on 1 & 2 is some of the best I've ever heard, and 4,5,& 6 are pretty damned impressive for older movies too!

[22soultaker]

If you havnt watched the documentary called Star Warriors, you need to. Its really cool to see how Star Wars brings ppl together. One guy him and his son actually used Star Wars as a way to help treat the boys cancer, when he passed they made him his own action figure and had a memorial for him. No matter what lucas does to these movies, good or bad. People always find good things like using Star Wars to earn money for different charity's. I think Star Wars has the best fan base and we should keep it that way, rather then waste are time arguing about things we really dont have control over. LOL just my take after watching that, kinda saw Star Wars in a different way.

[sevb36]

Originally Posted by earmullet

Wow, they didn't even correct Anakin/Vader's hand at the end of III when landing on Mustafar. Kind of lazy.

Was kind of reddish and quick so it was hard to tell for me. I read somewhere they never took any footage of Hayden raising his hood so they took a take of Obi-Wan raising his hood in another scene and pasted it over Hayden to make him do it.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Congrats Wabo! I think you're in for a treat. The audio on 1 & 2 is some of the best I've ever heard, and 4,5,& 6 are pretty damned impressive for older movies too!

Thanks.

I'm pretty stoked to fire these up! I promised my kids a marathon over the weekend. But I can't wait. I needs to bust this set open and turn it to 11.

[Mavrick]

All the Talk of wanting the Holiday Special in the bonus features, why no love for Ewoks: Battle For Endor and it's sequel

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

All the Talk of wanting the Holiday Special in the bonus features, why no love for Ewoks: Battle For Endor and it's sequel

Um. Maybe Lucas wants to take the time to add blinking eyes to all the ewoks in those two movies, as well?

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Um. Maybe Lucas wants to take the time to add blinking eyes to all the ewoks in those two movies, as well?

Hell yes! I'd pay top dollar to see that!

[Mavrick]

This is the last oportunity the film makers have to put a final polish on their work...


Mark Hamils quote from the Empire SPFX Doc RE the final dubing session of the film. Haha.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

I'm gunna have to dig out a VHS player lol.

I have A New Hope on VHS but as seen in my Home Theater gallery on the lieft, but it still says Star Wars on the box. So I want to see if A New Hope has been added to the opening crawl.

I could be wrong, but the "New Hope" subtitle was added in 1981, and the earliest VHS I could find listed was from 1982, so I think it's a safe bet that the new title was used on all of them.

[Gardenofstone10]

After watching ROTJ, I wasn't upset with the NOOOOOO as I thought I would be. However, I think it would be cool if Lucas put out the originals as they appeared in theaters on Blu Ray, that would be awesome

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Okay, so now nobody can ever have a negative opinion of anything Star Wars related ever, or consider any aspect of it (or any changes to it) to be unnecessary?

You've pretty much proven me right in what I said previously. You will, to no end, defend anything and everything that Lucas does with these movies. It's one think to generally like all of the movies, but to sit here any act like anyone disagreeing with or have a negative opinion of any aspects of the movies (whether they be aspects that were there from the get-go, or something that was changed later) it just inherently wrong just goes to prove that you pretty much refuse to even think for yourself and have an opinion that is even remotely contrary to that of Lucas (or at least contrary to what you assume/believe Lucas's opinion to be).

It's amazing how this level of a favor is never extended to any other filmmaker. At least not that I've ever seen. This whole, "They are Lucas's movies and only he can decide how they should be" crap that is so often used by those who defends him seems to never come up in relation to other filmmakers and films when people express negative opinions of them. Of course you've taken this to an extreme beyond which pretty much anyone else that has been defending him/the PT/the overall Saga has. Because at least most others, when asked, can express opinions of things in the movies that they don't completely like or agree with. You've taken this to the extreme of having to agree with every minor detail and change like a good, proper little Lucas-cult-member. Keep drinking that Kool-Aid!


Seriously (and I'm not even joking about this, because this is what I honestly believe would happen if the following scenario were to occur given your past posts), if for a future release of the films, Lucas decided to replace all of the spoken dialogue in the movies with the sounds of cats meowing, with all of said dialogue instead being written out in subtitles and changed many of the sound effects to the sound of mice squeaking, and many, many, many people (logically) were to get angry over it (both finding the sound change stupid and not liking having to read subtitles the whole time), you would likely come to his defense and would state how much you like it.

You'd probably say some crap like how this change adds so much symbolic meaning to the movies with how the whole Republic Vs. the Separatists (with Palpatine pulling the strings on both ends) leading to the Empire ruling during the OT movies is like a big game of "cat and mouse" and so the new sounds changes are so, so wonderfully fitting for that reason!

And you'd probably go on (like you so often similarly have in response to negative opinions of the films) saying something like how anyone who hates these changes are just crazy and wrong because they are Lucas's movies and he can do what he wants... and that anyone who hates these changes must be horrible people who hate a mistreat cats and that no one who hates having the sound of cats meowing replacing the dialogue should be allowed to ever own a cat, and if they do, someone should call the humane society on them! And that anyone who hates having to read subtitles the whole time must just hate reading in general, and must be adding to the problems with illiteracy, and would probably burn books if given the chance! Oh, and they must hate and disrespect def people, too, who often have no choice but to use subtitles when watching the movies!

I can see it now... "How can so many of you be so mean and hateful towards George Lucas, cats and def people! You should be ashamed of yourselves! You should feel lucky that Lucas even made and released Star Wars in ANY form! None of you deserve it! You can't appreciate the deep symbolism of cats meows coming out of people's mouths!"


Yes, the "Nooo" change was unnecessary. Just because Lucas decided to put in there doesn't suddenly make it "necessary". Do you know how I KNOW this? Because I've fully understood that scene for many, many, MANY years before that change. It's not like I sat there thinking, "DUHHH... Did Vader throw the Emperor in that big vent shaft because he was purposely trying to save Luke, or did his mechanical suit malfunction and he did this involuntarily.... DUHHHHHH." This change doesn't give the audience any information that wasn't already super-obvious from the scene as it previously existed. The only difference is that for someone seeing it for the first time (if they see it in this new form), it may become obvious to them slightly faster (we are talking like a fraction of a second here... not exactly a substantial amount of time) than it did to someone who originally saw it without the added dialogue.

Here's the definition of necessary:



None of the above definitions applies to this change. It was not "essential". It was not "required". It was not "indispensable". Lucas deciding to change is doesn't make it necessary. The definition of the word 'necessary' doesn't magically change to suit Lucas's desires. Sorry to break that obvious piece of information to you.

Oh man, it's getting really annoying... It's not that "nobody can ever have a negative opinion of anything Star Wars related ever" it's that it has become cool or witty or whatever to bash everything that Lucas comes up with, period! That's really ignorant in my opinion and it almost every time concerns some sort of effect-shot. To me these movies are so full of wisdom that that overshadows such marginal stuff like if some supporting-character shoots someone first or not...
To me there are 3 levels of changes:
1. Stuff I'm excited about and I really prefer to the outdated version, like Anakins ghost, the new Emperor-scene or the NOOOO change.
2. Stuff I'm indifferent about like Han shooting first or the Kraytdragon-call.
3. Stuff I could do without like the musical-scene, BUT I'm glad for Lucas because I know how it feels when you have to publish something that you're not happy with. If it bothered him than I gladly grant him that one choice in light of these thousands of great choices he made in creating these movies! When you think about other directors like James Cameron f.e. he had to make 5 or 6 decisions for Avatar - and most of them were terrible...

I'm defending Lucas for more than 12 years now and I find it really boring to always have to talk about special effects when we could talk about Philosophy, Psychology and Myth.

[gettodamoofies]

Shaft Windu: Interesting that you mention you'd rather talk about psychology etc, yet also state the following:

marginal stuff like if some supporting-character shoots someone first or not...

Han shooting shows his psychology - altering that alters the character. He's the likeable rogue - the guy with personality and wit who'll be honourable only so far as it benefits him. It's also part of his character arc throughout the three films. Changing that diminishes the character and his arc. Now he's just a lucky SOB defending himself.

You speak of psychology, yet that one issue you highlight is the perfect example of how such a "marginal" change (as you put it) greatly lessens the complexity of the character for the audience. After his encounter with Greedo he's never quite as ruthless - he's brash and reckless but that's it. We're introduced to him at his most brutal in order to see his journey from that point to his somewhat more honourable state at the end of ROTJ.

Now you'll note that none of the above is bashing or directed towards a special effects shot (unless you count the tinkering of Lucas for the SE's). I've just posted it to highlight that there are actually people with a dislike for some (or all) of Lucas' creative decisions for changes and they aren't out to bash - I have a well developed and informed opinion as to why I prefer the original and it speaks directly to the complexity of issues you'd prefer to talk about. Perhaps that illustrates precisely why some fans are so passionate about some of the changes. For as much as you'd like to talk about the psychology of characters etc, there are those of us who would love to SEE the psychology of the characters in action rather than neutered to make them in to fluffy bunny versions of themselves.

[Shin sam]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Here's the wiki list of all of the different changes over the years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rs_re-releases

It is wiki, so it might not be 100% acurate, but an interesting read.

The list is pretty good but I'm amazed that no where on the net has listed the music change in ESB. Its when Yoda tells Luke that " you will be" then the cut to the Star Destroyer. The loss of the sinster music was the biggest change for me of all the SE updates.

[Moviefan2k4]

OK, here's my take on this...

Han shooting Greedo without being shot at would usually classify as murder, but since Greedo was aiming at him with an apparent intent to kill, Han was acting in self-defense from the get-go. Therefore, it does slightly puzzle me that Lucas would change it. That said, it doesn't ultimately affect my enjoyment of Han's character, or the films in any way. I'm not a purist, and I don't treat the films like they're sacred. There's always things I don't like of some sort in any film, but unless they're abundant and/or crude in nature, I don't worry about it. Period.

[Icemouth]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Oh man, it's getting really annoying... It's not that "nobody can ever have a negative opinion of anything Star Wars related ever" it's that it has become cool or witty or whatever to bash everything that Lucas comes up with, period! That's really ignorant in my opinion and it almost every time concerns some sort of effect-shot. To me these movies are so full of wisdom that that overshadows such marginal stuff like if some supporting-character shoots someone first or not...
To me there are 3 levels of changes:
1. Stuff I'm excited about and I really prefer to the outdated version, like Anakins ghost, the new Emperor-scene or the NOOOO change.
2. Stuff I'm indifferent about like Han shooting first or the Kraytdragon-call.
3. Stuff I could do without like the musical-scene, BUT I'm glad for Lucas because I know how it feels when you have to publish something that you're not happy with. If it bothered him than I gladly grant him that one choice in light of these thousands of great choices he made in creating these movies! When you think about other directors like James Cameron f.e. he had to make 5 or 6 decisions for Avatar - and most of them were terrible...

I'm defending Lucas for more than 12 years now and I find it really boring to always have to talk about special effects when we could talk about Philosophy, Psychology and Myth.

Maybe he should have stopped editing things and made thousands+1 great choices and not made episodes 1-3.