Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[KulasDevorn]

I am not buying the Saga Blu's. I am sick of Lucas tinkering with 34 yr old movies, they aren't the same movies anymore because of it. Movies that changed my life in 1977 as a child. I've given Lucas enough of my money. He is fat and rich enough. I'll ask for them as a Xmas gift. Ohh, and the 3D garbage will never be part of my collection.

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Because the force wasn't connected to her yet. As for Luke Vader knew he was his son because the force was already connected to him and Vader detected that the force was so strong in him. Not even Yoda had as many midi-chlorians as Anakin and Luke/Leia.

DING! WRONG. She just didn't know how to use it is all, and she was also buried underneath a thick veil of Political discipline. Luke was not, that is why he was so easily sensed. The force doesn't "connect" with anyone at a certain time. They have it from birth, they only learn how to use it and control it as they age with training. No offense, but you don't know a single thing about what your talking about.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Ohhhh, so the Force has to "connect" to someone now. Ahhhhhh!

This thread has descended into parody.

I thought you DIDN'T want everything spelled out for you in movies, but you seem to have lots of questions and appear to be very reluctant about trying to interpret them by yourself. I suggest you try and learn to read myth...

[G:Box]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

I thought you DIDN'T want everything spelled out for you in movies, but you seem to have lots of questions and appear to be very reluctant about trying to interpret them by yourself. I suggest you try and learn to read myth...

Epic username btw

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by Chordata

Maybe daddy Darth should've chosen THAT time to say "Luke....Luke....WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING YOU CREEP! I'M GOING TO TELL YOUR MOM!"

I'm pretty sure Vader chewed out Han during Lando's dinner on Bespin:

"So, you're the guy who wants to bang my daughter?"

[Adam_ME]

Originally Posted by Citizen_Steve

I always thought Palps was using the lightning as an excuse to reveal his true self. It wasn't the lightning that deformed him. The Sidious face was his true form, and Palpatine was the mask. That's how I like to look at it.

I've heard that explanation. Which makes little sense. If Palpatine has the power to make himself look like he did before the lightning incident, why not keep using it? Who willingly decides to look like a white prune? And yes, I'm aware he told the Senate that the Jedi attack left him looking that way, but you're telling me that even after he disbands the entire Congress in ANH, he still needs to maintain his cover?

[goldenrod]

Finished watching the prequels. is it me or does Revenge doesn't sound as good as the other two?

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Oh man .... I think that's why so many people like to pick at all the little (and sometimes not so little) inconsistencies across the Star Wars movies.
Just to see what ridiculous explanation some of the fans are going to come up with.

Lol aside, I think that what gets people going too is some people's attitude that GL -meant- all this, all the time, and that there were never any real inconsistencies or retcons.

ever.

I love to see how outlandish and convoluted the justification will be, that's why I pose the questions. Personally as I said, the inconsistencies don't bother me at all. They don't even rate as a minor annoyance. That's why I find it so funny to see the lengths people will go to explain all this shit away, clinging desperately to some "GL is Infallible" life-raft.

It's okay that there are some little mistakes, idiosyncrasies, inconsistencies, it's to be expected and it really doesn't affect my enjoyment because the movies are so damned entertaining... but you won't see me desperately defending them with some outlandish explanation for every tiny thing that doesn't add up.

Just go with it.

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by Citizen_Steve

I always thought Palps was using the lightning as an excuse to reveal his true self. It wasn't the lightning that deformed him. The Sidious face was his true form, and Palpatine was the mask.

You are correct.

The only reason the bounty hunter "Zam" in the Attack of the Clones was revealed to be a changeling was in order to foreshadow Palpatine's revealing of his true identity.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by goldenrod

Finished watching the prequels. is it me or does Revenge doesn't sound as good as the other two?

I thought the same. It's been mentioned in reviews and by other people, but most of them seem to think it was done intentionally.

Personally I think they really screwed it up. It's not just that it lacks the LFE of Eps I and II, but the dialogue in the middle of the movie often sounds lispy, like it's missing frequencies and just plain mixed wrong. I honestly think they legitimately messed it up somehow.

It's very detailed, the surround mix is well spaced and generally the relative mix (volume levels between different elements) are right, but the frequency range just sounds totally neutered to me. I wonder if we'll hear more about it.

[22soultaker]

Originally Posted by Chordata

What abour Beru and Owen? They look like they're 20 in ROTS but look 75 in ANH.

While people try to explain it away by referencing the harsh sun of Tatooine (lol), it's one of the major inconsistencies that actually catches my attention (along with Padme getting it on with a dude 15 years younger than her). I'm no screenwriter, but I think George could've done wonders by making the characters older by ROTS.

HAHAHA that ones even worse. From watching these films and reading this thread. Lucas doesnt really noticed alot of things, and the things he does notice arnt really a big deal. The light saber in ANH is def white when hes training.

[LetoAtreides82]

Originally Posted by KulasDevorn

I am not buying the Saga Blu's. I am sick of Lucas tinkering with 34 yr old movies, they aren't the same movies anymore because of it. Movies that changed my life in 1977 as a child. I've given Lucas enough of my money. He is fat and rich enough. I'll ask for them as a Xmas gift. Ohh, and the 3D garbage will never be part of my collection.



DING! WRONG. She just didn't know how to use it is all, and she was also buried underneath a thick veil of Political discipline. Luke was not, that is why he was so easily sensed. The force doesn't "connect" with anyone at a certain time. They have it from birth, they only learn how to use it and control it as they age with training. No offense, but you don't know a single thing about what your talking about.

Well a week ago I hadn't seen the Star Wars movies and just yesterday I finished watching the entire saga so I guess you could say I'm new to this. So you're saying that her political discipline acted as some sort of shield that blocked Vader from detecting that she has the force?

[mrr1]

Originally Posted by goldenrod

Finished watching the prequels. is it me or does Revenge doesn't sound as good as the other two?

It's not just you. The sound is quiet and subdued through much of the film.

Which is a shame, because Revenge of the Sith is the best of the prequels.

[Citizen_Steve]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

I've heard that explanation. Which makes little sense. If Palpatine has the power to make himself look like he did before the lightning incident, why not keep using it? Who willingly decides to look like a white prune? And yes, I'm aware he told the Senate that the Jedi attack left him looking that way, but you're telling me that even after he disbands the entire Congress in ANH, he still needs to maintain his cover?

No, he doesn't need to maintain his cover. That's the whole point. Palpatine IS the cover. The white prune is his real full-time face., according to my theory anyway.

We don't know much about Palpatine. For all we know, he's some kind of shape-shifter like that bounty hunter chick. Or another type of alien, or ancient demon...who knows? Maybe the battle with Windu drained his powers so that he couldn't keep up the facade anymore. Or maybe he just decided it was time to "come out". Beyond that, I don't know and I don't really care. I just feel that that explanation makes a lot more sense to me than "the lightning did it." Because as it's been pointed out, if that was the case, Luke would look like Pruneface by the end of ROTJ.

[Zuiun]

Originally Posted by Beast

Luke only took short bursts of lightning cascading off his entire body in the OT. It was meant to torture him initially.

Palpy's force lightning was being thrown full power at Mace Windu, and being redirected back off Mace's lightsaber right into Sidious' face.

I'm as much of an inconsistency nitpicker as the next fanboy, but the funny thing is, I never had a problem with the Palpatine transformation.

For me, I never thought it was the lightning, per se, that transformed him. I viewed it as a battle of wills between him and Mace. It wasn't just lightning against lightsaber, but Windu was also using all of his Force might to try to direct the energy back at Palps.

Meanwhile, Palps is using everything HE'S got to direct it at Mace. Trouble is, Mace is a pretty powerful MoFo and to beat him, Palps has to pretty much sacrifice himself to the corrupting power of the Dark Side. You can't direct that much energy of Dark Side Force without consequences -- in this case, all of that Force energy warps and distorts Palps.

[goldenrod]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

I thought the same. It's been mentioned in reviews and by other people, but most of them seem to think it was done intentionally.

Personally I think they really screwed it up. It's not just that it lacks the LFE of Eps I and II, but the dialogue in the middle of the movie often sounds lispy, like it's missing frequencies and just plain mixed wrong. I honestly think they legitimately messed it up somehow.

It's very detailed, the surround mix is well spaced and generally the relative mix (volume levels between different elements) are right, but the frequency range just sounds totally neutered to me. I wonder if we'll hear more about it.

I also had to put the volume higher than the other two to understand...

and what is LFE?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Well a week ago I hadn't seen the Star Wars movies and just yesterday I finished watching the entire saga so I guess you could say I'm new to this. So you're saying that her political discipline acted as some sort of shield that blocked Vader from detecting that she has the force?

Sir! Put your hands in the air and step away from the internet.

You have the rest of your life to analyze and dissect these films but they're only going to be new once.

Stay the hell away from us and enjoy that for a while.

(and don't worry, we'll be here when you're ready)

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Chordata

Oh, I didn't notice the difference in degree of force lightning. It sure looked to me like Palpy was going full rage on Luke, and for a longer period of time (minutes) than Palpy got (not even a minute).

I'm no force lightning expert, though. I am, however, an expert in bantha poodoo.

I agree with this. That's the way I've always seen it. If the lightning deformed him, how do you explain his reptillian eyes (or whatever you want to call them)? I don't think the lightning did that to him. Palpatine was the mask. Sidious is the true form.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Zuiun

I'm as much of an inconsistency nitpicker as the next fanboy, but the funny thing is, I never had a problem with the Palpatine transformation.

For me, I never thought it was the lightning, per se, that transformed him. I viewed it as a battle of wills between him and Mace. It wasn't just lightning against lightsaber, but Windu was also using all of his Force might to try to direct the energy back at Palps.

Meanwhile, Palps is using everything HE'S got to direct it at Mace. Trouble is, Mace is a pretty powerful MoFo and to beat him, Palps has to pretty much sacrifice himself to the corrupting power of the Dark Side. You can't direct that much energy of Dark Side Force without consequences -- in this case, all of that Force energy warps and distorts Palps.

I actually like this.

The way they shoot it, though, it just looks like the lightning is physically burning his face. If they'd maybe shown the transformation happening, then reversing, like he's pruney then smooth, prunier, then smooth, etc., it would have seemed more like a mystical The Force® "thing".

But I really do like that explanation.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by mrr1

It's not just you. The sound is quiet and subdued through much of the film.

Which is a shame, because Revenge of the Sith is the best of the prequels.

I noticed this problem on the DVDs several years ago. The crappy old sound system I had back then would have moments where it was really struggling to keep up with the first two, but on RotS, I could crank the sub, the surrounds, and the overall volume quite a bit, with no problems at all. I was hoping that they would fix this, but they didn't.

[Majoran]

Originally Posted by goldenrod

I also had to put the volume higher than the other two to understand...

and what is LFE?

LFE=Low Frequency Effects aka the bass...