Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Anyway, its a fun movie. I did wonder why didn't Obi Wan and Qui Gonn contact the Jedi Order while they were stranded on Tatoonie? Would have gotten past that whole bargining with that floating blue bastard for a engine to the space ship.

Qui-gon specifically mentions that they don't want to call for help. They don't know about Darth Maul yet, but do have good reason to suspect the Trade Federation would intercept the system and zone right in on them, most likely before any help could get there.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

That's nothing - why did the people of Naboo allow Shmi to live in slavery after Anakin saved them? Why did the Jedi allow Shmi to continue in slavery?

Remember the Republic had no jurisdiction over Tatooine.

Why does the USA allow the Syrian government to slaughter their civilians?

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

Isn't it implied that it's not since Qui-Gon tried to bargain for the release of Shmi at the same time as Anakin?

Perhaps the lack of attachments is training that begins in later years?

Qui-Gon did try to add her to the bet but Watto said no pod was worth two slaves. Since we didn't see any other slaves, it was probably more of a status thing than anything at that point.

Qui-Gon said it himself, though, he didn't come to free slaves. That wasn't part of his mandate. It would probably have stirred up political trouble with the Hutts, fighting his way off and away from Naboo would endanger his mission and he'd have to get the explosive inside Shmi disabled, anyway. That's a bit of a tall order. Maybe he was still considering it, then Darth Maul shows up...

[octagon]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Remember the Republic had no jurisdiction over Tatooine.

Did they have money?

I'm no TPM scholar but that Watto fellow seemed pretty buyable.

[Blu Titan]

Star Wars The complete Saga sold 515,000 units in North America and 1 million units worldwide. Over $87 million in revenue for the series due to the Blu-ray release. A great accomplishment for the format...no way to spin that one .

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by octagon

Did they have money?

I'm no TPM scholar but that Watto fellow seemed pretty buyable.

Qui-Gon did have Republic credits, which he said would be more than enough. Watto responded with: "Republic credits? Republic credits are no good here, I need something... more real."

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Star Wars The complete Saga sold 515,000 units in North America and 1 million units worldwide. Over $87 million in revenue for the series due to the Blu-ray release. A great accomplishment for the format...no way to spin that one .

Nice!

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Uxi

"Republic credits? Republic credits are no good here, I need something... more real."

Oh right, Watto didn't take Discover.

I guess buying Shmi's freedom really was impossible.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by octagon

Oh right, Watto didn't take Discover.

I guess buying Shmi's freedom really was impossible.

It's called taking him into a back room and threatening him until he does what you want, even if that's not the Jedi way.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by sevb36

ANAKIN/PADME LOVE STORY :
GEORGE LUCAS:
"Let's face it, their dialogue in that (fireplace) scene is pretty corny. It is presented very honestly, it isn't tongue-in-cheek at all, and it's really played to the hilt. But it is consistent not only with the rest of this movie, but with the overall Star Wars style. Most people don't understand the style of Star Wars. They don't get that there is an underlying motif that is very much like a 1930's Western or Saturday matinee serial. It's in that more romantic period of making movies and adventure films. And this film is even more of a melodrama than the others."

If only more Star Wars fans would actually understand that....

[octagon]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

If only more Star Wars fans would actually understand that....

If 'most people' don't get your writing one of two things is generally going on --

Your writing is over their heads and they're just not ready for you.

Your writing sucks.

Hmm...

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Nooo! Not the Younglings!

"Yud-say boom da gassar, den crashin der boss's heyblibber, den banished. -Wuh-oh! Big gooberfish! Huge-o teeth!"

You know you love it, Stinky.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

It's called taking him into a back room and threatening him until he does what you want, even if that's not the Jedi way.

Who's gonna do that? If it wasn't in Qui-Gon's mandate to free slaves, it certainly wouldn't be in Obi-Wan's who was far more by the book than Qui-Gon. Anakin's first solo mission is in AOTC, so he never had the opportunity before himself, but as soon as he can he does.

Certainly isn't Padme's style to send goons to rough up Watto. lol. If she even legally could. Since Naboo is a member of the Republic, they probably use Republic credits. Resources? Naboo doesn't seem poor, that's for sure... Diplomacy would seem more her style but does she have her own resources? Her family seemed well off and she was a Queen and then senator. Probably a decent enough salary... Would she be willing and/or able to use Naboo resources for her personal desire to purchase Shmi from Watto? I dunno about you, but if I heard the Queen of Naboo was interested in my slave, my price would probably go up.

Originally Posted by frogmort

"Yud-say boom da gassar, den crashin der boss's heyblibber, den banished. -Wuh-oh! Big gooberfish! Huge-o teeth!"

You know you love it, Stinky.

mwahahahaha

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by frogmort

"Yud-say boom da gassar, den crashin der boss's heyblibber, den banished. -Wuh-oh! Big gooberfish! Huge-o teeth!"

You know you love it, Stinky.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Qui-Gon said it himself, though, he didn't come to free slaves. That wasn't part of his mandate.

Neither was freeing Anakin; he did it because he sensed Anakin's power, and because only Watto had the necessary parts for Padme's ship.

It would probably have stirred up political trouble with the Hutts; fighting his way off and away from Naboo would endanger his mission, and he'd have to get the explosive inside Shmi disabled, anyway.

I honestly don't think he was too worried about the Hutts; it seemed he only mentioned them to Captain Panaka in comparison, and to Watto as a reminder of how the Hutts would have much more concern over his business than fighting the Jedi. As for the explosive, we never see Anakin's device removed, so I think it's probably just a scare tactic.

I dunno about you, but if I heard the Queen of Naboo was interested in my slave, my price would probably go up.

That's probably another reason why Padme didn't reveal her identity.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Davidius

One thing that bothers me all of a sudden about the PT is the younglings. What parent, in a galaxy far, far way or any other for that matter, would willingly give their child away to a peacekeeping force? I don't care if it's the greatest honor in the universe, I don't think there would be too many parents that this would sit well with. I could see if there was a Jedi Academy for when people became a certain age and they went and trained to become a Jedi. I guess it takes a lifetime of training to be a Jedi and Luke accomplished this in just a few years. The Force must have been strong in him, indeed.

People send their 5 year-olds across country to train to be professional athletes as adults in "camps" that go for many months at a time.

Stranger things have happened.

[fdm]

I suppose I could read all the posts here, but....

Just finished III, on my Panny '35, and had it lock up near the end, approx at 2:11 or so. Is this common, or a new one peculiar to my disc?

Fwiw, I do see couple of small, not quite but close to radial, scratches near the end of the disc (if the center is the end of the disc in this case), so possibly it could be that.

(Also experienced the two video glitches that have been mentioned for II by others.)

I ended up having to play the last few chapters of III on my Oppo and it played right thru the bad part no problemo; ditto for the video glitches on II last weekend. IV-VI are just going to be played on the Oppo, the Panny is hereby retired from its Star Wars chores.

Anyway, any other reports of problems with III?

[Tim H.]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Remember in the context though. Obi-wan doesn't know what it means and openly asks and Qui-gon admits he doesn't know. Only later on did Qui-Gon conjecture that it meant that Anakin was the chosen one from prophecy.

The Kwisatz Haderach, he is.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by HylianBowcaster

They didn't go back for her because they, the Jedi Council, was trying to raise Anakin as a normal jedi without attachments. It really makes sense in the story too, because it shows how Anakin is moving away from the Order due to their difference in ideals. When Anakin has to watch her die he realizes that he could, and should have gone back for her. He also blames Obi-wan again, who is the by the book Jedi, showing how Anakin disagrees with him and the Jedi.

It also plays a huge role in RotS, the idea of loss is what drives Anakin to the dark side. The death of Shmi was a huge point in Anakin's life it wasn't just some throw away moment to get rid of her from the series.

Yeah, that's how they spun it, but - "So, you are gonna be this big important warrior, but you have to leave your mother to be a slave and it will make you a better person". I get how they played it off, but it was just a solution to "how do we get her out of the story".

The true throw away moment was Padme in RoS, though. This strong woman who led her people to victory, who risked her life to save the Republic, who just gave birth to twins who she knows are special, and will be in danger...and she just "gives up" because Anakin is a douche and she dies.

That was easily the worst part of anything Star Wars I have ever seen. A broken heart kills her because of a whiny boy who misses mommy. BLECH!

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

LOL. So true.

Honestly, one of the worst parts about the PT and overall Saga is how much Anakin is put on a pedestal from the get-go. The emaculate conception, this "chosen one" prophecy nonsense (which is never really fully explained... there's just some prophecy about some chosen one who will destroy the Sith... who prophesied this? How did they determine this?).

It would have been better if he was just an ordinary (but particularly well skilled and well respected) Jedi who fell to the dark side. But they managed to mangle that up pretty badly.

I honestly think that was the only way Lucas felt he could stretch what is a very simple story into three feature-length films. Like many, I wish he had continued the Star Wars story, not gone back and done what we already knew. You can sum up all three movies in a few lines Obi-wan says in Star Wars (he was good, then he went bad, dark side sucks man). Changing the focus of the series to be Vader-centric took one of the screen's most iconic villains, who was already humanized by the conclusion of ROTJ, and basically neutered him.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Remember the Republic had no jurisdiction over Tatooine.

Why does the USA allow the Syrian government to slaughter their civilians?

Especially its Younglings. Dear God, the Younglings.

[red_5ive]

Originally Posted by Tim H.

The Kwisatz Haderach, he is.

Spice is the worm, it is! Worm is the spice, it is!