Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Valaquen

What's astounding about Yoda in ESB is his character - he plays it goofy, dark, grim, putting in little bits of joy, jest, disappointment, on and on. He had gravitas, and the puppet was awesome. I watched it a few nights ago and was really reminded of how expressive that thing was, and, as I said before, the gravitas that the character carried. He didn't speak ass-backwards to the point of annoyance either.

Yoda's lines in ESB and ROTJ are awesome. Just perfect.

In the prequels I still liked him, he was among my favorite characters, but there was one line where I actually said out loud, "commmmme onnnnn!"

"Around the survivors, a perimeter create!"

WTF?!

That one line was pretty much a parody of Yoda.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Beast

Yes. How dare anyone have a difference of opinion and not consider those films anything short of incredible.

That's honestly a good question.

I don't know how anyone who actually understands film could say "The Godfather", "Citizen Kane" etc. are overrated piece of crap movies.

One day find the answer, I shall! Never stop seeking the truth, I will!

So nobody out there misses Yoda's cool mutton-chops from the TPM puppet? I thought it made him look like a stud.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Beast

Indeed. Frankly Jango was actually more bad ass than Boba Fett could even dream of. Boba's a poor copy, literally.

He was killing Jedis and stood toe to toe with Obi-Wan Kenobi. Sure he lost his head to Mace due to Rocket Pack malfunction, but still kicked ass.

He killed one Jedi in AotC, the one that jumped up next to Dooku: that was it. Boba Fett's appeal was his mystery, Jango had none as soon as we saw him without his helmet. It also detracted from Boba's appeal as well seeing him as a little kid (as well as the dude he would grow up to be).

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by Pgcmoore

Just finished my favorite of all, ROTJ! Have to say the added dialog from Vader just before tossing the Emp off to his final destiny was a bit of a shock!

could have said,,,,

" I,,,,,,HAVE-HAD,,,,ENOUGH,,, OF,,,, YOUUUUUUUU!!!!!!"

LOL!

You know, I didn't find the second nooo to be that bad. It was the first one that sounded quite awful.

Quite surprised to see multiple people comparing the audio of ROTJ to ROTS. Maybe I'm listening for the wrong things but everything sounded balanced and powerful (with the Sail Barge explosion maybe a bit too powerful, that was insane. And also quite fun )

In ROTS certain scenes lacked punch when I certainly expected something more, didn't have that impression with ROTJ.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Aquel

You know, I didn't find the second nooo to be that bad. It was the first one that sounded quite awful.

Quite surprised to see multiple people comparing the audio of ROTJ to ROTS. Maybe I'm listening for the wrong things but everything sounded balanced and powerful (with the Sail Barge explosion maybe a bit too powerful, that was insane. And also quite fun )

In ROTS certain scenes lacked punch when I certainly expected something more, didn't have that impression with ROTJ.

I thought ROTJ also alternated wildly between too soft and over-sharpened. There are portions that honestly looked like a DVD... but I didn't see that mentioned widely in reviews, when it was plain as day to me.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Just did Empire Strikes Back. Another terrific transfer.... just amazing. Solid audio too.

As for the movie - I dont rate ESB #1 like a lot of people seem to. Its a good entry in the series, as are all SW films, but New Hope has better pacing and just works better overall. As much as some people say ANH gets a little slow during the initial droid stuff in the beggining and on tatooine, I can say the same thing about ESB. I feel the middle of ESB drags ever so slightly. The reasoning is that the Yoda mumbo jumbo Force talk doesnt carry the weight it did when I saw it for the first time. I get all the "force" stuff. I believe this is a by product of seeing the film 356, 789 times

Couple other issues too: Vader just choking every officer after various mess-ups for some reason is a little silly to me. I get that hes angry and a bad ass but is this REALLY how it would go? Who would take those jobs when throiugh no fault of your own you could be asphyxiated(sp?) on the spot in front of the other generals. I dunno.

Before you go typing death threats.... I like ESB. Im just pointing out a few things that are a little iffy to me. ESB has some extremely awesome moments: The Hoth battle, The Bespin "twist" when the door opens for "dinner" and Vader is sitting there

Agreed.

This is exactly how I feel too.


I just finished watching 'Empire' today and got bored for awhile during that middle part of it. Though 'A New Hope' also has it's slow part in it's second quarter, it does not last as long for me as in Empire.


I also agree with you on Vader's disciplining of his subordinates. I think that they should have ended it with Ozzel, but it just keeps going on and on, and we end up with that worried looking Jerjerrod in Jedi which I can't stand.

And that's also one of the reasons that I LOVE 'A New Hope' way more than any of the other movies- The Imperial Officers were full of spunk at talked back to Vader sometimes i.e. like the Commander that's with him when he questions Leia on the blocked runner.

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[Beast]

Originally Posted by chip75

He killed one Jedi in AotC, the one that jumped up next to Dooku: that was it. Boba Fett's appeal was his mystery, Jango had none as soon as we saw him without his helmet. It also detracted from Boba's appeal as well seeing him as a little kid (as well as the dude he would grow up to be).

Exactly. Style over Substance. Thank you for confirming exactly why Boba Fett's fandom really makes no sense.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

That's honestly a good question.

I don't know how anyone who actually understands film could say "The Godfather", "Citizen Kane" etc. are overrated piece of crap movies.

One day find the answer, I shall! Never stop seeking the truth, I will!

So nobody out there misses Yoda's cool mutton-chops from the TPM puppet? I thought it made him look like a stud.

I don't always agree with you, but this is wonderful! haha

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

I thought ROTJ also alternated wildly between too soft and over-sharpened. There are portions that honestly looked like a DVD... but I didn't see that mentioned widely in reviews, when it was plain as day to me.

I was talking about the audio . Did notice the odd soft image when they landed on Endor (which lasts for 5 minutes), for the most part it looked fine (If I remember correctly). The garbage mattes are a pity though, I didn't saw them in Empire (where they are still present apparently) so I was quite surprised to see them rear their ugly heads once more

I was most pleased with A New Hope in the PQ department to be honest, probably also because it was the first older film and it isn't as dark as Empire.
I did notice these small fluctuations in the colour of the sky over some of the Tatooine scenes (when we see 3P0 and R2 walking from the escape pod for example), don't know what that is exactly?

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Aquel

I was talking about the audio . Did notice the odd soft image when they landed on Endor (which lasts for 5 minutes), for the most part it looked fine (If I remember correctly). The garbage mattes are a pity though, I didn't saw them in Empire (where they are still present apparently) so I was quite surprised to see them rear their ugly heads once more

I was most pleased with A New Hope in the PQ department to be honest, probably also because it was the first older film and it isn't as dark as Empire.
I did notice these small fluctuations in the colour of the sky over some of the Tatooine scenes (when we see 3P0 and R2 walking from the escape pod for example), don't know what that is exactly?

Oh I know you were talking about the audio, I'm just saying impressions of the whole Saga set seem to be a mixed bag. I keep hearing ROTS listed as "reference" audio when I thought the whole mix was botched.

Then I heard nothing negative about ROTJ's PQ, but thought it looked really, really soft, particularly in a lot of Endor scenes, and as compared to Empire which I watched right before it.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Aquel

I both get quite some good laughs from this thread as well as the special features. Anybody check the Super Battle Droid video commentary ?

No, but now I want to. lol

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Some interesting trivia about Mark Hamill (Luke) that some of you might not know :

1) A day before he was supposed to be in the shoot for the final scene in episode IV A New Hope he had a major car accident which required seven hours of facial surgery. Because of the accident a double was used for the landspeeder pickup shots.

Also, he burst a blood vessel in his eye while holding his breath underwater in the compactor scene, so they had to shoot the remainder of his scenes from certain angles so it would not show.

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[Duffy12]

I have a few questions regarding the beginning of Revenge of the Sith-



1) What does 'locking S-foils in attack position' accomplish for those ARC-170 Fighters? When the X-Wings do that it's so they get a better cone of fire from their cannons.

2) What is the idea behind placing the 'shield generator' to Separatist ships hanger bay right next to it? And then to boot...the emergency doors that close when they fail...CLOSE FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE of said generator so an enemy can gain EASY access to the hanger bay. At least have it close from top to bottom. Orrr...how about sticking the shield generator somewhere DEEP INSIDE THE SHIP.

3) When Dooko brings the gantry down on Kenobi, how come his legs don't get amputated?

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[Aquel]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

I have a few questions regarding the beginning of Revenge of the Sith-



1) What does 'locking S-foils in attack position' accomplish for those ARC-170 Fighters? When the X-Wings do that it's so they get a better cone of fire from their cannons.

2) What is the idea behind placing the 'shield generator' to Separatist ships hanger bay right next to it? And then to boot...the emergency doors that close when they fail...CLOSE FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE of said generator so an enemy can gain EASY access to the hanger bay. At least have it close from top to bottom. Orrr...how about sticking the shield generator somewhere DEEP INSIDE THE SHIP.

3) When Dooko brings the gantry down on Kenobi, how come his legs don't get amputated?

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Normally I could come with some explanations, but some things are best left to explain to Beast

Originally Posted by nathan_393

No, but now I want to. lol

Make sure you watch it to the end, I especially laughed when George commented on it (not going to spoiler the surprise here )

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

1) What does 'locking S-foils in attack position' accomplish for those ARC-170 Fighters? When the X-Wings do that it's so they get a better cone of fire from their cannons.

I always figured it was for heat/energy dissipation. Just like the wings on TIE fighters.

2) What is the idea behind placing the 'shield generator' to Separatist ships hanger bay right next to it? And then to boot...the emergency doors that close when they fail...CLOSE FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE of said generator so an enemy can gain EASY access to the hanger bay. At least have it close from top to bottom. Orrr...how about sticking the shield generator somewhere DEEP INSIDE THE SHIP.

I dunno if I'd say easy... an ordinary pilot would probably smash into the door if they didn't get shot down on approach. It took a great pilot with access to the Force.

3) When Dooko brings the gantry down on Kenobi, how come his legs don't get amputated?

Or at least crushed. Or at least bruised enough to make him limp. I thought the head would have made more sense to explain why he was unconscious so long.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

I have a few questions regarding the beginning of Revenge of the Sith-

1) What does 'locking S-foils in attack position' accomplish for those ARC-170 Fighters? When the X-Wings do that it's so they get a better cone of fire from their cannons.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/S-foils

It has to do with more than increasing the cone of fire. There's other advantages.

2) What is the idea behind placing the 'shield generator' to Separatist ships hanger bay right next to it? And then to boot...the emergency doors that close when they fail...CLOSE FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE of said generator so an enemy can gain EASY access to the hanger bay. At least have it close from top to bottom. Orrr...how about sticking the shield generator somewhere DEEP INSIDE THE SHIP.

These particular shields don't cover the whole ship. They're like the Death Star's Hanger Bay shields. They keep the atmosphere in, but allow ships to land and take off. The shields could also be intensified in order to keep ships from landing or taking off. In the case of RotS. That's why they had to take out those particular shields. And of course the emergency doors would come from the opposite side of the damage to the systems. If the damage was significant enough, the emergency doors could have been damaged as well and not seal properly. It's not like the ships were really designed with the concept of people attacking and boarding that way. It's just a back-up system to prevent the docking bays from depressurizing.

3) When Dooko brings the gantry down on Kenobi, how come his legs don't get amputated?

If you watch it again, you'll note the gantry's weight hits the floor first... and then slides.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

"Quality-Wise," being the operative phrase.

Quality is in the eye of the beholder. To me the PT is equal, quality-wise and story-wise, to the OT. And in terms of special effects, it offers quite a few things we could never have dreamed of when the OT was being made.

But, by all means, continue to defend your point of view on this. It seems to matter quite a bit to you.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

I actually missed Yub Yub a little bit on this viewing of Jedi.

The newer piece is fine, though, it's a nice wrap-up to the movie and suits all the scenes of other planets celebrating etc... even though those scenes were jarring because of the CG and being obviously made 20 years later, and also never seeing a single civilization even close to as big as any of the ones pictured there in the OT... a little jarring.

Speaking of Jedi, I will admit that I really had to employ the use of my Rose-Tinted Nostalgia Glasses +1 to fully enjoy it on this viewing.

There is a lot more clunker dialogue than I remember as a kid, worse performances than in Empire, script is cheesier... plus the Ewoks never really bothered me as a kid but on this viewing, my god, wtf... they aren't "annoying", or anything, it's just stupid that a bunch of Little People in bear suits were taking out a heavily armed garrison with rocks and sticks. I mean a 45-lb Little Person swings into me on a vine, he's going to tickle me, he isn't going to knock me unconscious. How did they have the time to make all these elaborate traps? Why does it usually look like nobody is actually being hit in that whole battle? Why would a rock knock fully-armored Stormtroopers unconscious? What the **** is the point of Han tapping that guard on the shoulder and making him run around the corner to where the rebels were waiting?! They could have just walked around the corner and took that one guy hostage instantly, and Han wouldn't risk being shot in the back. Why are we supposed to be surprised when Chewie is in the AT-ST when it showed him getting into it like, 2 mins before? The Han and Leia scenes that worked so well in 'Empire' just descend into cheese here. I honestly think ROTJ is the product of too much cocaine in Hollywood and nobody having any idea how stupid it made them.

Overall the movie is still a childhood classic, the Luke/Darth/Emperor stuff is good, Yoda is good, I still like most of Jabba's Palace (we will not speak of Jedi Rocks... UGGGGGH), but overall, it's quite shocking how much better 'Empire' is on every level judged by every objective measurement, than every other Star Wars movie. I feel like A New Hope is the only one that comes close, and that's because it's pretty minimalist.

Yea, I remember when watching that Han shoulder tap on opening day, I thought WTF was that!?! And sadly realized that Lucas was going for a more less violent type of movie for the children(somebody has to think of the children!!!) along with the Teddy Bears Picnic vibe too.


BTW, did you happen to notice that awful Ewok 'battle cry' was lifted off of the Jawas from A New Hope? It's that cry they make right after they ZAP R2 in the canyon.

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[chip75]

Originally Posted by Beast

Exactly. Style over Substance. Thank you for confirming exactly why Boba Fett's fandom really makes no sense.

You're welcome. A bit of mystery goes a long way as long as it leads somewhere. Boba let our imaginations run riot. Jango Fett did not....

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Beast

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/S-foils

It has to do with more than increasing the cone of fire. There's other advantages.

OK, makes sense.

Thanks.

These particular shields don't cover the whole ship. They're like the Death Star's Hanger Bay shields. They keep the atmosphere in, but allow ships to land and take off. The shields could also be intensified in order to keep ships from landing or taking off. In the case of RotS. That's why they had to take out those particular shields. And of course the emergency doors would come from the opposite side of the damage to the systems. If the damage was significant enough, the emergency doors could have been damaged as well and not seal properly. It's not like the ships were really designed with the concept of people attacking and boarding that way. It's just a back-up system to prevent the docking bays from depressurizing.

Yea, that was my point. Stick those precious generators deep inside the ship where they can not be taken out.

If you watch it again, you'll note the gantry's weight hits the floor first... and then slides.

So Obi got very lucky there.

Hmmm...I would have thought that Dooku would have made sure to crush him with it, but whatever.

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