Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[MrJoeKalel]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

...that are about 70 to 80 years irrelevant to most modern film.

I hope that was a sarcastic comment. Have you ever seen The General? Everything in it is real, makes sense, and is EXCELLENT, and it was made 84 years ago.

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Yes you did and welcome to the Star Wars thread

Originally Posted by The Doof

Look, as long as Georgie's kids like the prequels, I'm happy. Those movies were paid for and in the black before he even shot a frame, so if he decided to make expensive birthday videos for his children more power to him. He shouldn't feel responsible for demolishing the nostalgic temple built by millions of people who grew up with the SW OT. But if he ever truly cared about the universe he "created" then MY GOD MAN ARE YOU INSANE?!!! LOOK WHAT YOU DID!!!!!

+1

Originally Posted by octagon

Lord of the Rings was a missed opportunity but Jar Jar is a complex amalgam of mythology, mysticism and Buster Keaton.

Okay.

Just because one doesn't like the story of LOTR that means that we have to dislike the movies. I mean, I do NOT love LOTR, but I've seen them and I can say those are extremely well done and great movies.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by octagon

Lord of the Rings was a missed opportunity but Jar Jar is a complex amalgam of mythology, mysticism and Buster Keaton.

Okay.

Because they filmed all three films at once and out of sequence for financial reasons I'm missing actors growing into their characters and portraying a convincing arc. Fellowship starts way too dark. We see Mordor, the volcano, Sauron and something similar to the final battle in the first couple of minutes. I'm missing the contrast that I really liked in the prequels where we start out with an innocent fairy-tale country, children and green meadows and end in total darkness an chaos. But, to each his own.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Again, almost 100% polar.

I thought so! But at least I love The Godfather (sorry Beast )

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

So, wait, did you actually sit down with her and quiz her either during or after watching the movies to get all of this "data"? This all seems way too specific to be info that was gathered from a casual conversation.

Yes, I asked her specifically after watching the Saga, because I was very interested how an outsider would think of the movies, and so on.
It only took like 10min., so it's not a big deal or anything.

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

What!? No love for Shmi? All favourite scenes from ROTS which has also the highest ranking! "Meeeeesa liken dis!"

I was shocked too, but she said Shmi was weak.

I said if she should have kicked the Tusken Raiders in the sw%%ts or sth.? Lol

She really loved ROTS.

She likes Jar Jar.

I call her Jar Jar all the time, because she is super clumsy. Lol

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by The Doof

You know what it is? What it REALLY is? It's simple heart-break. Put on your melodrama glasses and your hyperbole ear muffs but it is absolutely true that most of our hearts were shattered apart the moment Jar Jar said "Ex-queeze me." Most of us were holding onto that one part of our childhood because it was truly, absolutely perfect. I will admit to probably thinking about SW every single day of my life in some form or another. I'm not an uber-geek. I don't go to conventions or collect all the crap. But those films were THAT impactful.

+1

This is exactly how I felt as well. Heartbreak is a perfect way to state it.
Although in my case it took a full year of denial and fanboy love of SW before I finally admitted to myself that I was let down.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by octagon

Lord of the Rings was a missed opportunity but Jar Jar is a complex amalgam of mythology, mysticism and Buster Keaton.

Okay.

Exactly. One minute it's this deep think-piece with all of this complex mythology and symbolism that some people "just don't understand", but then we are being shown how Lucas took old slip stick comedy and based characters around it. And we are all supposed to applaud this as being a good thing for some reason, all simply because it's Lucas's vision and he created Star Wars in the first place.

Because it's not like the same person who wrote a good first movie never made a bad sequel/prequel, nor has there ever been a scenario where someone else has made a good sequel/prequel to something that somebody else created in the first place.

[dookiex]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Just for the record: I don't like Pirates, Underworld or Twilight. It was merely a suggestion for someone of whom i guessed that he likes movies I dislike and vice versa...

Matrix was a great Trilogy - especially Reloaded.
LotR was a missed opportunity IMO (the books are far better).
I liked Terminator Salvation, X-Men Last Stand and First Class.
My favorite franchise apart from Star Wars would be Planet Of the Apes.

Salvation was a travesty. I would take Underworld and Twilight (including New Moon) over Salvation any day. Pirates, I like Pirates minus the third one. The third one was a travesty but Salvation may be more so. Heck, I might actually take Ghost Rider over Salvation, why? Because at least Ghost Rider is dumb through and through while Salvation is just a complete mess of what should have been incredibly awesome. Squandered opportunity.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by svenge

With all the resources I have at my disposal (an actual university degree, a journeyman's understanding of Laser Tag Theory, a pair of season tickets to the Sir Topham Hatt symposium at the local community theatre, a worn-out tape of Quantum Leap, and a modicum of common sense) what I'm comprehending is that you're full of it when you say that you can make a coherent whole out of the PT and its corrupting influence that's spread even to the OT (i.e. Han no longer shooting first, Hayden's ghost) and that there's meaning and depth to caricatures (note that I didn't mis-type "characters") like Jar-Jar Binks.

I don't like Jar-Jar. You don't like Jar-Jar. But to assume no one can get anything out of Jar-Jar because you don't is incredibly short-sighted. Again, it's the flip-side of the coin whose other side says 'Jar-Jar is the most fully realized character in the history of human endeavor.'

[Valaquen]

Originally Posted by dookiex

Salvation was a travesty.

Amen!

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by dookiex

Salvation was a travesty.

I did like seeing the young Arnold on the T800 though. Because he has no dialogue in those few seconds, that was the best CG facework I have ever seen. Totally convincing.

Otherwise, the film was a big flush.

[mikeyfridebuzz]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Yoda's lines in ESB and ROTJ are awesome. Just perfect.

In the prequels I still liked him, he was among my favorite characters, but there was one line where I actually said out loud, "commmmme onnnnn!"

"Around the survivors, a perimeter create!"

WTF?!

That one line was pretty much a parody of Yoda.

The "Good Relations with the Wookies, I have" line was the one that crossed over into parody for me.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by happydood

I don't like Jar-Jar. You don't like Jar-Jar. But to assume no one can get anything out of Jar-Jar because you don't is incredibly short-sighted. Again, it's the flip-side of the coin whose other side says 'Jar-Jar is the most fully realized character in the history of human endeavor.'

I disagree on the coin metaphor. Saying that nothing can be gained from Jar-Jar's character (except perhaps to make 5-year olds giggle at the funny lizard and buy action figures) results in a vast majority of agreement, and rightfully so. Saying Jar-Jar is "the most fully realized character in the history of human endeavor" is grounds for involuntary commitment.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by mikeyfridebuzz

The "Good Relations with the Wookies, I have" line was the one that crossed over into parody for me.

Every screening I attended, people laughed out loud at that line.

[Mavrick]

Without Jar Jar who would have been stupid enough to make that call in the senate?

Who the hell would have put him in a position in government anyway!

[svenge]

Originally Posted by mikeyfridebuzz

The "Good Relations with the Wookies, I have" line was the one that crossed over into parody for me.

Originally Posted by The Doof

Every screening I attended, people laughed out loud at that line.

When Han said he could arrange Leia kissing a Wookiee, perhaps he wasn't referring to Chewie, but to Yoda's Wookiee booty-call service...

[happydood]

Originally Posted by The Doof

You know what it is? What it REALLY is? It's simple heart-break. Put on your melodrama glasses and your hyperbole ear muffs but it is absolutely true that most of our hearts were shattered apart the moment Jar Jar said "Ex-queeze me." Most of us were holding onto that one part of our childhood because it was truly, absolutely perfect. I will admit to probably thinking about SW every single day of my life in some form or another. I'm not an uber-geek. I don't go to conventions or collect all the crap. But those films were THAT impactful.

They are just movies, but then again......they aren't. God, now I sound like Harry Knowles. Whatever. Onward! A simple movie doesn't inspire an entire generation of kids. So what you are seeing here is denial and bitter heartbreak on a CULTURAL scale. When these things get re-released and treated with disrespect by the guy who made them (the 2004 DVD xfers) it PISSES US OFF. So we come out here and *****. Because the emperor either never had clothes on or decided to trade them in for a Barney suit. The original sw films were a once in a a generation type of experience. But we couldn't know that as kids. We believed Lucas could pull it off again. He made it look so simple before. And it was just SO, SO different from what he had set us up for.

I'm glad at least some people liked them. But running around saying "I love Jar Jar! He's better than Han Solo anyday!" is just a lightning rod for us bitter denial-ists. Hey, speak your mind of course, just be prepared for the backlash.

There are real tragedies out there and many truly terrible things to legitimately worry about - but that doesn't make being punched in the heart any easier. And that's what it was.

I hate to admit that a series of children's films could have the kind of lasting effect on me that SW did, but whatever.

I like what you say here. And I shouldn't have made the Shatner analogy. I was being flip, and I know people are passionate about these movies. I am, too. I don't agree with certain other parties' attempts at trying to convince anyone of anything along the lines of 'you should like these movies, because their rife with symbolism.' But making fun of people for what they like isn't the, um, Jedi Way, either.

I guess having had a kid and having been around a lot of kids, I see no evil in somebody coming to ask what I think are deeper questions about life by way of thinking Jar-Jar is funny.

I saw the original when I was 7, and I think I came to understand what I think God is because I first understood something mystical that I can't see called The Force. I'm still pretty grateful for that.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by The Doof

Every screening I attended, people laughed out loud at that line.

For me, Menace was watched in complete silence, but everyone let out a really surprised "Whoa!" when Maul broke apart into two pieces.

On Clones, people shifted around in their seats, whispered, giggled, and let out uncomfortable sighs during all of the romance scenes. The rest of the viewing was in silence as well.

On Sith (also watched with seeming emotional detachment by the audience), people were rolling when Vader cries out "NOOOOOOO!" It was embarrassing really, because it was the kind of laughter that was not about humor, but about release. It was as though we were finally glad the whole thing was over with. Please just let the credits roll and we can all pretend none of this ever happened.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Without Jar Jar who would have been stupid enough to make that call in the senate?

Who the hell would have put him in a position in government anyway!

Considering the position that the Republic was in... quite a lot of people. Especially given how they embrace a Dictatorship in RotS.

As for the other point. He was a General who was key during the Battle of Naboo. And also, have you seen RL politicians?

He's less of an embarrassment than people who get caught in sex scandals, gay sex scandals, and who can't spell Potato.

[TheTimeTraveler-808]

We Should All Pool Our Money To Save The Star Wars Franchise From Certain Doom. Then We Can "Re-imagine" What Star Wars Should Be./s

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Without Jar Jar who would have been stupid enough to make that call in the senate?

Who the hell would have put him in a position in government anyway!

Having Jar-Jar introduce that motion in the Galactic Senate which lead to its destruction is a metaphor.

Unfortunately, it's a metaphor of how Lucas' creation of the PT led to the destruction of Star Wars as we knew and loved it...