Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

I believe that was because they hit it's week spot on it's neck.


But if Luke would have used his X-Wing instead of that nifty 'snowspeeder', it would never have even been an issue anyway.

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X-Wings weren't really designed for combat in the atmosphere. But yes, let's see AT-AT shielding resist a Proton Torpedo.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Chiyo_chichi

His reviews are fun and very entertaining, but honestly a lot of his criticisms can be applied to the OT. I mean, RLM can easily make an anti-Plinkett character for the original three.

Take the beginning of Jedi. Leia attempts to sneak Han out of Jabba's during the night...after seeing Chewie locked away to some unknown cell? Why didn't Boushh enter during the day, pretending to look for work, then rescue Han at night?

What about the Battle of Hoth. "That armor's too strong for blasters!" Huh....didn't they just blow up that fallen ATAT by shooting at it?

Lucas' skills were already in decline by the time of ROTJ; also several of the people who helped make SW and TESB great had either died or left Lucasfilm and were replaced by today's yes-men... You want to know how a platoon (or however many can fit on a rinky-dink stolen shuttle) of Rebels and a horde of Teddy Ruxpin rejects can defeat a garrison of Imperial troops defending the single most important installation in the galaxy... merchandising, that's how.

The same explanation can also be applied to why a certain Caribbean-sounding humanoid lizard was given a major part in Episode I, despite having no useful role that couldn't have been cut in the screen-writing phase simply by providing Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon a map of Naboo before arriving for their "negotiations" in orbit around said planet. In the OT, C-3PO could translate and R2-D2 could pilot a starfighter and interface with computers; but in the PT all Jar-Jar can do is anger local merchants, screw up pod-racers, and fall on his behind during a major battle. Real good writing there.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by Chiyo_chichi

His reviews are fun and very entertaining, but honestly a lot of his criticisms can be applied to the OT. I mean, RLM can easily make an anti-Plinkett character for the original three.

Take the beginning of Jedi. Leia attempts to sneak Han out of Jabba's during the night...after seeing Chewie locked away to some unknown cell? Why didn't Boushh enter during the day, pretending to look for work, then rescue Han at night?

What about the Battle of Hoth. "That armor's too strong for blasters!" Huh....didn't they just blow up that fallen ATAT by shooting at it?

All true. although i don't think either of those things are quite as bad. i mean leia did try to sneak him out at night. she needed chewie to give her street cred. how else could she have gotten street cred? night sort of makes sense to me. at least that walker had already fallen down so i don't know, i can almost sort of buy it. i'll give you that there were probably better ways to write that stuff. i can forgive a lot. it's amazing how a GOOD story/film can sweep you along past stuff like that. but you can't have too much of it. or really bad cases. you might notice....in that one sentence there....i highlighted a certain word.

[georgec]

Originally Posted by Chiyo_chichi

His reviews are fun and very entertaining, but honestly a lot of his criticisms can be applied to the OT. I mean, RLM can easily make an anti-Plinkett character for the original three.

Take the beginning of Jedi. Leia attempts to sneak Han out of Jabba's during the night...after seeing Chewie locked away to some unknown cell? Why didn't Boushh enter during the day, pretending to look for work, then rescue Han at night?

What about the Battle of Hoth. "That armor's too strong for blasters!" Huh....didn't they just blow up that fallen ATAT by shooting at it?

I think some of those criticisms can definitely be applied to the OT, but the best point Mr. Plinkett makes is that ultimately we, the audience, don't really care about any of the PT characters. There isn't a central, emotional connection between us and them like in the OT. The OT has flaws, sure, but there is heart and depth in the characters that the PT severely lacks.

The OT was always about Luke, Leia, and Han. You know, those people relegated to the far corner in the blu-ray set behind the pamphlet insert . Sure, things went a little off the rails in ROTJ (that's when Lucas compromised vision for merchandising and disposed of dissenting minds), but the PT can't even compare to the OT in terms of character development.

The PT is just too muddled and incoherent. I understand Lucas was trying to really build a vast, detailed, intricate world but in the end nothing really stands out. To me it's just a mix of weird-looking alien creatures and environments with boring expository dialogue that's necessary to advance the plot to the real purpose of the PT - the action set pieces which are actually, in my opinion, sterile and boring.

The end of the AOTC review is the best because Plinkett shows how much Lucas plagiarized the OT in the prequels. Shot for shot. "It's like poetry, it rhymes..." Without other writers and creative input for the story, he simply couldn't come up with anything original. The AOTC script was completed one week before filming began, right? And that was probably a first draft. It certainly shows...

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy

Whoops, sorry. Thought this was an OPEN forum. I guess this thread is only for the group of regulars who post here daily. Also, you seem to be the one trying to offend. I was only replying to the statement that everybody hated it. I mean, you have my intentions all wrong, so maybe you were wrong in your assumptions about the people around you (shouldn't you be watching the movie anyway?). And why can't I address more than one issue (and person) in a single post? Do I really haveta quote everybody in back-to-back posts, because I don't have time for that crap. I've posted on many different forums and haven't had this kinda confusion from any others. I thought it was obvious that the rest of the post wasn't directed at you because I figured you knew what you said and it wasn't in the same paragragh that was directed at you. Guess I was wrong. Good-flippin'-gravy! You can have your thread back.

And this is the point where you get added to my ignore list. There isn't a single thing in your post that is worth addressing--that's how disjointed and worthless it is. You are simply spoiling for a fight, and I'm not interested.

Welcome to the Ignore Zone, where I put all my internet trolls.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by AlexSing

By referring to them as kids films I wasn't defending anything at all, quite the opposite.

I think one of us has misunderstood the other's post old chap.

I did. My bad.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by The Doof

Anyway, how is it possible I have never seen this before? It's absolutely hilarious and 100 times more fun than the actual movie! Thanks to whoever posted this, I'm watching the whole thing laughing out loud.

I've seen it many times before. It's one of those things us PT haters like to pull out every few threads or so. And it is very telling indeed.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by georgec

The PT is just too muddled and incoherent. I understand Lucas was trying to really build a vast, detailed, intricate world but in the end nothing really stands out. To me it's just a mix of weird-looking alien creatures and environments with boring expository dialogue that's necessary to advance the plot to the real purpose of the PT - the action set pieces which are actually, in my opinion, sterile and boring.

Lucas's best attribute IMHO is as a world builder, but you are right that everything has a sterile and heartless feel in the PT, and that the action pieces are pretty dull. I sometimes describe the PT as Star Wars: Paint by the Numbers.

There are two action pieces I really do love though, and I think they eclipse any action sequence shown in the OT. The Maul lightsaber fight at the end of Menace, and the Obi/Jango asteroid chase. The problem though is that I won't put myself through the torment of either film to get to them.

[MCT]

is there anything about the PT that yall find redeemable? Besides the music, which was excellent...there are bits and pieces that I really dug.

- The silent moment between Anakin and Padme in ROTS. Hilarious that the best moment in the entire movie didn't involve a single line of dialogue.

-Dooku talking cash shit to Obi Wan in AOTC. Hahaha! I thought that was great. Missed opportunity by Lucas though. He could have taken that whole arrogant Sith angle a lot further.

-Ian McDaramid doing his damnedest to salvage ROTS with his Chancellor Palpatine bits, before he became Cackling Lunatic Sidious. I thought he was fantastic before the reveal.

-When Obi and Qui Gon encounter Maul for the first time....there is a moment of silence, and all three combatants throw off their robes before they draw swords. Very Kurosawa-esque.

-Yoda casually, nonchalantly Force-pushing the two Imperial Guards against the wall. THAT'S how I always envisioned Yoda in terms of his fighting style. So powerful with the Force that he doesn't even need a lightsaber.

-The first 10 minutes of TPM. So much cool shit happens (Force speed, Force push) and it really had me thinking this was going to blow my mind. Sucks how it ended up blowing, just not my mind.

and thats about it.

[AlexSing]

As for the blu-rays themselves, I still haven't bought them and the more I read about them from people that have bought them, the less bothered I am.

I watched the DVD's (OT) recently and enjoyed them so I have no burning desire to see them again in the near future. And I'm not paying $80 just to watch the 3 other films that I dislike just because the picture and sound are better than before. They're still rubbish films after all.

If I get this set, and I'm sure down the line I might, then it will 100% be second hand and purely out of curiosity.

[jala12]

Even though the majority of the PT doesn't hold a candle to the OT (IMO), I don't think they as bad as people make them out to be.

TPM is like an academy award winner compared to say something like M Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender, which was a truly atrocious movie and one of the most unredeemeable that I have ever seen.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by MCT

the music, which was excellent

-Ian McDaramid doing his damnedest to salvage ROTS with his Chancellor Palpatine bits, before he became Cackling Lunatic Sidious. I thought he was fantastic before the reveal.

-When Obi and Qui Gon encounter Maul for the first time....there is a moment of silence, and all three combatants throw off their robes before they draw swords. Very Kurosawa-esque.

-Yoda casually, nonchalantly Force-pushing the two Imperial Guards against the wall. THAT'S how I always envisioned Yoda in terms of his fighting style. So powerful with the Force that he doesn't even need a lightsaber.

-The first 10 minutes of TPM. So much cool shit happens (Force speed, Force push) and it really had me thinking this was going to blow my mind. Sucks how it ended up blowing, just not my mind.

and thats about it.

I agree with all of this, and the two action pieces I mentioned above.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by jala12

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TPM is like an academy award winner compared to say something like M Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender, which was a truly atrocious movie and one of the most unredeemeable that I have ever seen.

Man, that dude has gone downhill big time. It's like he had two good ideas (The Sixth Sense and Untouchable) and then he ran out of steam. I can't believe studios still give him projects.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by MCT

yeah...but when even the DIRECTOR HIMSELF is disgusted with what he sees, even on a first cut, that speaks volumes.

my god, even when Lucas HIMSELF is disappointed with his work, you still swoop in to defend him. LMAO

Um... 'disgusted?' Really? I'm not defending Lucas or anybody in this thread and it feels like your grasping to support your position and projecting something that might not really be there. I don't care if you hate the movie. You're entitled. Many other people do and have voiced it with reasonable conviction. I don't believe in the phrases 'Lucas-basher' or 'Lucas-apologist' or any of that nonsense, just in friendly and reasonable debate, but you have to back it up.

No offense, but I agree with the other poster that you may not know what a first cut's purpose really is.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by AlexSing

As for the blu-rays themselves, I still haven't bought them and the more I read about them from people that have bought them, the less bothered I am.

I watched the DVD's (OT) recently and enjoyed them so I have no burning desire to see them again in the near future. And I'm not paying $80 just to watch the 3 other films that I dislike just because the picture and sound are better than before. They're still rubbish films after all.

If I get this set, and I'm sure down the line I might, then it will 100% be second hand and purely out of curiosity.

Once again, it's all relative.

[jala12]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Man, that dude has gone downhill big time. It's like he had two good ideas (The Sixth Sense and Untouchable) and then he ran out of steam. I can't believe studios still give him projects.

Indeed. It has even gotten to the point where you will hear groans in theaters as soon as his name pops up on screen. (Like with the movie trailer for Devil)

Anyways, one of the things I liked about ROTS is the ending which to me felt very OT-esque (also thanks to the music). It's a shame that the rest of the PT wasn't really like that...

[Schloob]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Man, that dude has gone downhill big time. It's like he had two good ideas (The Sixth Sense and Untouchable) and then he ran out of steam. I can't believe studios still give him projects.

Unbreakable I believe you mean, and yes totally agree he went downhill after those 2 films.

[MCT]

Originally Posted by happydood

Um... 'disgusted?' Really?

"I may have gone too far in a few places." - George Lucas

in a hushed, somber, regretful tone of voice. While pretending to rip his hair out of the roots.

Yeah. Disgusted.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Schloob

Unbreakable I believe you mean, and yes totally agree he went downhill after those 2 films.

[dookiex]

Originally Posted by jala12

Indeed. It has even gotten to the point where you will hear groans in theaters as soon as his name pops up on screen. (Like with the movie trailer for Devil)

Anyways, one of the things I liked about ROTS is the ending which to me felt very OT-esque (also thanks to the music). It's a shame that the rest of the PT wasn't really like that...

He didn't make Devil but he did produce it or something and Devil was actually not too shabby. The Happening was also actually not too bad. Nice little old school paranoia b-movie horror/sci-fi there.