Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by srinivas1015

The extended pod-race scenes are really blurry, it's not DNR or anything, the shots look like they were upscaled. This is especially clear in the scene where the racers are introducing themselves.. I wish there was seamless branching to allow us to view the theatrical cut. The new aliens look too cartoony as well.

I thought so too. Because I'm sure Lucas did them on the cheap, at minimum HD resolution, just for the DVD.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by MCT

HUH? That review is VERY academic. Have you ever taken a film theory class? He explains why the prequels fail not only as Star Wars films, but also on the most basic, fundamental levels of movie-making as well. "Nerdrage rant"? You CLEARLY didnt watch a single second of that review. Its like a Christian refusing to watch an Agnostic explain why he chooses not to follow any particular religion and automatically writing his beliefs off just because he considers him a "heathen".

Good luck with this guy. Your analogy is perfect.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

The fact that they call it a film THEORY class means that its based on theories so there isnt any factual data presented. The prequels fail in HIS OPINION. There is no factual data here. Its like saying "I like the color orange and its the best". "If you like blue then you have failed".

Lots of people enjoy the prequels even though they do have flaws(like any film). Forget this fundamental & theory gibberish. Normal people dont care about what some pretentious film theory professor has to say.

I have never liked normal people. SAy hello to all of them in the Transformers 5 line-up for me.

[Chester Lime]

Originally Posted by The Doof

Yes, Lucas wins.

Can you please give us some more specs and info regarding X-wings and their combat capabilities in atmosphere?

Well of course Mr. Lucas wins. Was there any doubt? He is the puppet master who makes us drool when he anounces "STAR WARS" on blu. Even though we complain about the stupid changes, we stand on line waiting desperately for our very own copy. Why? because we love Star Wars. I havent gotten around to getting the movies yet, but soon I will. I want to join all my fellow fans inside Lucas' toilet with my boxed set held proudly in the air as Mr. Lucas laughs and takes a dump on us.
Charlie Sheen? No way!! George Lucas is the real winner.

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by The Doof

yes, correct. just for TPM. he doesn't say QGJ is the protagonist for the entire trilogy. i'm sorry, this is why i can no longer speak with you. everything quoted above is exactly what i am saying and exactly what i have a problem with. you do not even understand what we are arguing about. i give up.

It's like watching a dog chase its own tail, minus the protagonist.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Pot-kettle-black.

Not really. You seem to have missed the entire point of what I said. Shocking.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

The fact that they call it a film THEORY class means that its based on theories so there isnt any factual data presented. The prequels fail in HIS OPINION. There is no factual data here. Its like saying "I like the color orange and its the best". "If you like blue then you have failed".

Lots of people enjoy the prequels even though they do have flaws(like any film). Forget this fundamental & theory gibberish. Normal people dont care about what some pretentious film theory professor has to say.

I actually took a Film Factual Data class once. Pg. 567 of the textbook, and I quote:

"George Lucas' prequel trilogy breaks every factual data concerning filmmaking every recorded. it is for this very reason that these films are structurally, emotionally and spiritually vapid. His original trilogy had much better factual datas."

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by Beast

Not really. You seem to have missed the entire point of what I said. Shocking.

Nope!

[dookiex]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

The thing is now a days people deal in absolute (sorry I did not mean it to sound like that ) but it is true that they do.

Look at forums and messages board all over the Internet....movies are either EPIC or CRAP People have no middle ground. A few scenes in the movie are not good, forget that 70% of it is very entertaining, the movie is a total crapfest Plus everyone fancy themselves connaiseurs and that their opinions are the right one and that if someone else feel that the movie is not really that bad, they are idiots, childish and imbecile who are accepting everything Hollywood gives them, as such the popular fanboy expression.

Plus it just work in reverse, some just accept everything single bad movie ever made and drink it all up with eagerness and are always demanding for more and are more then happy to argue and call others idiot for not agreeing with them.

There is just no middle ground, it's either black or white.

This is oh so true. Most of the posters on here wouldn't be able to figure out a good movie from a bad one even if their lives depended on it. It's just shocking how they come on here claiming to judge the Star Wars films purely as films when in actuality they really are not. They have absolutely no clue as to film history and the vast array of possibilities that films present for storytelling in so many different ways. I'm sorry but when somebody takes that 70 minute nerdrage video and holds it up in such high regards claiming that it's a masterful analysis on filmmaking and storytelling, that's just ludicrous. I'm not even trying to defend or pan the prequel, I just find it mind numbingly illogical and ridiculous how a lot of these Star Wars "fans" and "experts" automatically think that they have enough fundamental knowledge of cinema for them to form resounding critiques on filmmaking. They are genre fans at best. Yes films vary by taste but lets face it, if you're going to say something as ridiculous as that 70 minute nerdrage youtube video "review" of the TPM as being a shining example of cinematic analysis, you better be a film buff, not just a Star Wars fanboy or genre nut.

It's like the person who basically used the excuse of "oh, now you're talking about silly semantics" when I pointed out that the rebuttal article talks of QG being the protagonist for TPM and not the protagonist of the entire prequel trilogy. How can one not see how drastically different the two is? They are not even in the same ballpark of each other. A protagonist for a single film is an ENTIRELY different thing from a protagonist for a series of films.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by dookiex

This is oh so true. Most of the posters on here wouldn't be able to figure out a good movie from a bad one even if their lives depended on it. It's just shocking how they come on here claiming to judge the Star Wars films purely as films when in actuality they really are not. They have absolutely no clue as to film history and the vast array of possibilities that films present for storytelling in so many different ways. I'm sorry but when somebody takes that 70 minute nerdrage video and holds it up in such high regards claiming that it's a masterful analysis on filmmaking and storytelling, that's just ludicrous. I'm not even trying to defend or pan the prequel, I just find it mind numbingly illogical and ridiculous how a lot of these Star Wars "fans" and "experts" automatically think that they have enough fundamental knowledge of cinema for them to form resounding critiques on filmmaking. They are genre fans at best. Yes films vary by taste but lets face it, if you're going to say something as ridiculous as that 70 minute nerdrage youtube video "review" of the TPM as being a shining example of cinematic analysis, you better be a film buff, not just a Star Wars fanboy or genre nut.

It's like the person who basically used the excuse of "oh, now you're talking about silly semantics" when I pointed out that the rebuttal article talks of QG being the protagonist for TPM and not the protagonist of the entire prequel trilogy. How can one not see how drastically different the two is? They are not even in the same ballpark of each other. A protagonist for a single film is an ENTIRELY different thing from a protagonist for a series of films.

You don't understand what we were debating and still don't. You are a film expert, there can be no doubt.

[dookiex]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

Except according to George Lucas, Obi-wan is the protagonist in TPM. So I don't quite know why you keep insisting the protagonist dies.

I didn't, the 70 minute video "review" I believe claims that QG is the protagonist. Then Dooks or whomever I believe brought that up. All I did was say that IF QG was the protagonist and he died, it doesn't actually negate the movie. Dooks or whomever's argument was that if a protagonist of a movie dies, it defeats the point of the movie. This is just simply ridiculous. So no, I'm not the one insisting anything, I'm just pointing out the lapses in logic with some people's arguments on here.

Sorry, Doofs is the posters name, not Dooks

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

In your opinion! I've watched the original movies hundreds of times and was fully immersed in the Star Wars universe (just the movies - no expanded universe). When I saw JarJar for the first time I thought "Yes, that's 100% Star Wars!" I honestly don't see the big difference between Jar Jar and Chewbacca OR Qui Gon and Ben OR Anakin and Luke OR Han Solo and Obi Wan OR Padme and Leia.

Star Wars is NOT Lord Of The Rings! Having said that: Mary and Pippin are at least two Stooges!

When I saw Jah jah for the first time I thought "I have wasted my life."

[Beast]

Originally Posted by The Doof

Yes, Lucas wins.

Can you please give us some more specs and info regarding X-wings and their combat capabilities in atmosphere?

You do realize that you signed up 5 days ago, and have a over 125 posts in this one thread in that amount of time. So yes, you meet the classification of obsessed. Superman in Superman Retreads has nothing on you. And before you note my own post count in this thread, you do realize that's in the lifetime of the thread. Which was started way back in May of 2010. I'm simply saying that it would be nice to be able to talk about the movies, or the Blu-Ray set, or such... without constantly being mocked for our opinions. Simple as that. A mature discussion about films would be a refreshing change in this thread. Funny how nobody is mocking people that like the OT more or who want the UOT. It speaks volumes about people. And it's just a downright shame.

[dookiex]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

The fact that they call it a film THEORY class means that its based on theories so there isnt any factual data presented. The prequels fail in HIS OPINION. There is no factual data here. Its like saying "I like the color orange and its the best". "If you like blue then you have failed".

Lots of people enjoy the prequels even though they do have flaws(like any film). Forget this fundamental & theory gibberish. Normal people dont care about what some pretentious film theory professor has to say.

We may not have agreed on Aliens but at the minimum, it's now safe to say that we do logically agree on something. Heh. People fail to understand that there's actually no rules for telling a story. You're story might end up being horrendous if you stray really far off the beaten path but it's still a story being told. Trying to say that there are actual rules that needs to be strictly followed in film making is like saying there are rules to be followed for war, murders, and all kinds of crazy things humanity likes to do to itself.

[bboisvert]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

The Ewok cartoon released on DVD is not the full series, just some episodes?

Yeah, it's only a handful of episodes (8, if I remember correctly) edited together into a couple of "movies"... not the full run of 35+ episodes.

[MCT]

Originally Posted by dookiex

I didn't, the 70 minute video "review" I believe claims that QG is the protagonist. Then Dooks or whomever I believe brought that up. All I did was say that IF QG was the protagonist and he died, it doesn't actually negate the movie. Dooks or whomever's argument was that if a protagonist of a movie dies, it defeats the point of the movie. This is just simply ridiculous. So no, I'm not the one insisting anything, I'm just pointing out the lapses in logic with some people's arguments on here.

Sorry, Doofs is the posters name, not Dooks

Nah, RLM says TPM has NO protagonist.....and he's right. He explains it in the review.

[Beast]

Yeah, it's a shame we haven't gotten a complete series release of the Droids and Ewoks cartoons.

They're not the greatest things ever, but I'm shocked we never them released on DVD that way.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by MCT

Nah, RLM says TPM has NO protagonist.....and he's right. He explains it in the review.

Which as has been noticed numerous times, is just his opinion. It doesn't make it factual.

By the way, Lucas himself in the archival commentary for TPM notes that Queen Amidala/Padme is the protagonist.

Which makes sense. The majority of the story is centered on her character and her struggle to free her people and her planet.

[phansson]

Originally Posted by mrr1

The first cut of the original (Ep 4) was total crap as well, according to the 'Empire of Dreams' documentary. Only with a lot of editing work did it turn out as good as it did.

I think the prequels suffered from marginal editing more than anything else.

Yes the original edit by Georgie Boy and Marcia Lucas was supposedly horrible. They ended up bringing in Richard Chew and Paul Hirsch, which ended up winning oscars for their effort.

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by The Doof

When I saw Jah jah for the first time I thought "I have wasted my life."

Did you say right after that, "Tell your sister, you were right about me"?