Possible dumb question

[cajmoyper]

That's easy, the demo disc is still only 24p whereas the tv is set to full 120 Hz capability. The tv is refreshing the disc at an unnatural rate. It's basically showing each frame 2,3,or 4 times per frame. That's what's making the picture look 'fast'. There will never be a movie that has that many frames per second. It won't do anything for the picture. The 120 Hz tv is the biggest sham in the history of HD tv's.

[so7o]

120Hz and 24p settings being used on the sony 40'' xbr4


sony paid for the endcap


samsung also has it on display on their 40'' model and 52'' model in magnolia

[JasonR]

Originally Posted by d_rob1031

I work at BB.. the demo disc's that are put together are very very pumped up. When I started working there I had noticed how different it looked... I just popped in a normal blu like anyone would buy at any store and it looked normal. It's crazy how different it looks. Next time you're there get the salesperson to put in a normal blu... totally changes things.

That is too funny, I was looking at my TV in store and wondering why my pirates scene didn't look like that one...

[d_rob1031]

Originally Posted by JasonR

That is too funny, I was looking at my TV in store and wondering why my pirates scene didn't look like that one...

It's crazy how well it sells them. I've also yet to hear of a customer come back and complain about how the in store performance wasn't the same as what they got out of their new TV.

If I had to guess they just found the parts of the movies (2 or 3 second clips) that had the highest bit rate, slapped them on a disc and mailed them off. If you'll watch the demo's you'll notice most movie scenes won't last more than 5 seconds. And like someone else said before, Sony did pay for the end cap so they definitely knew what they were doing.

[keerf00]

I kind of fell into the Bestbuy look of Blu-ray and jumped into it head first. I notice though with most movies, that some scenes seem to look like the display, and then other scenes in the same movie don't look like the display.

Though there are some movies that seem to run fantastic throughout the film, Kingdom of Heaven being one. I don't know if this is just how the discs are made, or if it is something with my equipment.

[jw]

Originally Posted by johnmhemp

I was at Best Buy yesterday and looked at their Blu-Ray demo. I believe that they had a 40 inch Sony Bravia display and a BDP-S300. They were showing a sampler disc with Pirates 2 and a few others. The picture quality looked what I call "video-like". As if someone had been on the set of Pirates and filmed the movie on a digital video tape. I have had the BDP-S300 playing on a 40 in Samsung TV for 6 months and I have never gotten a picture like that.

That is also not the PQ I see at Costco from the Spiderman 3 display on their demo.

My question is am I missing something? Is this the picture quality I should be getting? The benefit that I get from Blu-Ray is a crisper picture with more vibrant colors.....not what I saw at Best Buy.

I noticed at my WM and CC they have 720p TVs hooked to the blu-ray displays essentially not displaying the best possible picture.
Why? I dont know, CC has enough 1080p TVs to hook one up to it, but I think they are pro HDDVD or thats the vibe I get, as the HDDVD player is hooked to a 1080p TV.
WM on the other hand only carries 720p TVs for now

These are in my area

[JJ]

Originally Posted by jwbbud

I noticed at my WM and CC they have 720p TVs hooked to the blu-ray displays essentially not displaying the best possible picture.
Why? I dont know, CC has enough 1080p TVs to hook one up to it, but I think they are pro HDDVD or thats the vibe I get, as the HDDVD player is hooked to a 1080p TV.
WM on the other hand only carries 720p TVs for now

These are in my area

Side note - damn, JW - I never see you post much outside of the Trading thread, but lately you've been blowing up! 'jwbbud' is under 'Last Post' almost everywehre I look.

[DealsR4theDevil]

Originally Posted by SuperFist

Alright, after noting some of the posts on this forum, I had to join and chime my two cents in!

I've owned a Pioneer Elite PureVision PRO-940HD for 8 months now, purchased from my cousin who's a manager at BestBuy. He personally recommended this set to me after literally unplugging it and putting it up against the leading LCDs that were out at the time. Every one of them paled in comparison to the Pioneer Elite! Afterall, our eyes don't lie!

I personally have yet to see any LCD or Plasma that has a crisper and overall richer, more superb picture than the Pioneer Elite models. Every one of my friends who comes over who currently own 1080p LCD sets always remark at how stunning the picture quality is on my Elite.

I also have a 60GB PS3 running on my Pioneer Elite via HDMI and it is simply breathtaking! I've seen the demos of that exact model Sharp Aquos that you are speaking of and I personally feel that blu-rays playing on my Elite look much better! I've found that the best setting for me on blu-rays playing from the PS3 on these Elites is DYNAMIC. You can also personally tweak the other settings to match it if you feel it's oversaturated but I feel that the DYNAMIC setting gives a sharpness, richness and clarity that eludes me whenever I try to adjust the settings myself. However, make sure you return the settings back to STANDARD or your own personal user settings wherein the brightness and sharpness are reduced when not viewing blu-ray movies. I hope this helps you somewhat.

I must disagree with you, I think Dynamic is a picture setting that should be removed from the face of the earth. It makes people and colors look fake. I guess their nice and colorful, but any level of accuracy is lost.

A good way to see what I'm talking about is to take a picture of yourself, shove it on your PS3 via USB, and turn the settings on Dynamic. You'll look like you just got a bad tan and your clothes got painted a different color.

[SuperFist]

Originally Posted by DealsR4theDevil

I must disagree with you, I think Dynamic is a picture setting that should be removed from the face of the earth. It makes people and colors look fake. I guess their nice and colorful, but any level of accuracy is lost.

A good way to see what I'm talking about is to take a picture of yourself, shove it on your PS3 via USB, and turn the settings on Dynamic. You'll look like you just got a bad tan and your clothes got painted a different color.

What movies are you watching on it? The only one I found that looks rather fake is The Last Samurai but I can live with it. Casino Royale, The Fifth Element Remastered, Spider-Man 3, The Sopranos 6th Season, Part II, Ratatoullie and the first Pirates of the Carribean look amazing on Dynamic. Maybe your eyes see it different than mine do but this is the setting that works the best for me! Any other combination I've tried doesn't look as crisp. The picture looks almost 3D like HD was meant to be!

I've got several friends who can attest to the superior picture on the Dynamic setting, too. Maybe you have a defective Elite that doesn't reproduce the colors as well as mine?

If you can't find any setting that suits you when viewing blu-ray movies I recommend you pay for a professional calibration to get the colors to display more natural hues.

[MaulxDrth]

Originally Posted by d_rob1031

I work at BB.. the demo disc's that are put together are very very pumped up. When I started working there I had noticed how different it looked... I just popped in a normal blu like anyone would buy at any store and it looked normal. It's crazy how different it looks. Next time you're there get the salesperson to put in a normal blu... totally changes things.

What do you mean "pumped" up? I worked at Best Buy for 3 years and never knew about that... Do they edit the disc before mass distributing them to Best Buys so that the quality looks alittle bit better or something? Not to say your wrong or anything, I'm just more curious

I know that when they display a LCD or plasma, the TVs are not calibrated and put to stock. Which means that the brightness level is really high (which in results, tricks the eye into thinking that the image looks good when in reality it's just bright)

I watch a Samsung or Sharp (I forget) but I remember seeing Transformers on HD and it looked fake to me. It was pretty much the 120hz (which I'm not a big fan of)

[MaulxDrth]

Originally Posted by SuperFist

What movies are you watching on it? The only one I found that looks rather fake is The Last Samurai but I can live with it. Casino Royale, The Fifth Element Remastered, Spider-Man 3, The Sopranos 6th Season, Part II, Ratatoullie and the first Pirates of the Carribean look amazing on Dynamic. Maybe your eyes see it different than mine do but this is the setting that works the best for me! Any other combination I've tried doesn't look as crisp. The picture looks almost 3D like HD was meant to be!

I've got several friends who can attest to the superior picture on the Dynamic setting, too. Maybe you have a defective Elite that doesn't reproduce the colors as well as mine?

If you can't find any setting that suits you when viewing blu-ray movies I recommend you pay for a professional calibration to get the colors to display more natural hues.

Wouldn't just paying for a professional calibration do the job? If I'm wrong, it's my ignorance talking

[Jordahn]

Originally Posted by catterwall

possible that they're taking full advantage of the 120Hz and 24p settings available betweeen the TV and Blu-Ray player. and who knows how those dorks at best buy hooked it up...

This I must agree with this. Wifey and I took a road trip to Hoover, AL, a couple of weekend ago. The Circuit City in the Patton Creek shopping center had Pirates 2, Transformers, and Harry Potter 5 played in high definition on a SONY LCD, Samsung DLP, and a Samsung LCD, respectively, all with the 120Hz enabled that gave it the video-like look.

[SuperFist]

120Hz is a nice added feature that you can showcase when people come over but for regular movie viewing, I think it just gets irritating after awhile. This is exactly what they're doing at Best Buy when they showcase their HDTVs but I guess it's still fair in the big scheme of things - they are, afterall, trying to sell a product by attempting to make it look as attractive as possible.

[Simplayer]

Having it set to 120Hz (and obviously the player playing the movie at 24fps) is more natural though. That way you can see the movie as it was meant to be seen as opposed to the 3:2 way you have to see with a 60Hz TV.

This is assuming though that the 120Hz TV is set up properly and just displaying the same frame 5 times as opposed to interpolating frames.

[NARMAK]

Best Buy are probably using the 120hz setting which completely screws the 24p smooth surreal dream like playback you should get from them TVs & makes it looks like a camera somebody is running about with

Those TV's are some of the BEST LCDs on the market but they haven't been set up right to show what Blu at 24p can do, the 120hz setting should only be used by games & for footbal where fast motion sequences are common to smooth them out & give as much a blur free image as possible

For Blu-Ray you want 24p engaged always to get the best from them

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Best Buy are probably using the 120hz setting which completely screws the 24p smooth surreal dream like playback

you cannot get 24fps playback unless the TV can do 120Hz (or 72Hz or 96Hz).

if your TV is only 60Hz (majority of tv's), 24fps is meaningless.