Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[svenge]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

And the band played on........played on......

Don't you have some business you have to harass because they put English too prominently on their signs? Whoops! I meant:



N'avez-vous pas quelques affaires que vous avez à harceler parce qu'ils ont mis en anglais sur leurs affiches?

Don't you have some business you have to harass because they put English too prominently on their signs?

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

And the band played on........played on......

Yep, "SE Rocks" and "Lapti UOT" are quite the hits around here

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Aquel

Yep, "SE Rocks" and "Lapti UOT" are quite the hits around here

Something that I doubt will ever stop. If it were to stop I think the universe might actually implode

[5th-beatle]

It's $70.49 now.

[Breather]

Originally Posted by 5th-beatle

It's $70.49 now.

Good find. It's on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/dp/B003ZSJ212/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326312251&sr=8-1

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by svenge

You just don't get it. It's not just the concept of what's being shown on the screen that's relevant, how it was created originally also matters. All 3 original films got Oscar wins for their visual effects (as compared to ZERO for the PT), and you're in favor of scrapping the practical and optical effects with "new and improved" digital compositing and glossy CG non-sequitur garbage like the Jawa riding a bucking "ronto" outside Mos Eisley and the exceedingly annoying "Jedi Rocks"...

Using your argument, movies before the development of synchronized sound should have their intertitle cards removed and dialogue looped in, and all those outdated black-and-white films should be colorized and the original versions lost to history!

The OT films are more than strong enough to stand on their own merits without having to be debased by so-called "improvements" and ham-fisted visual "upgrades" to fall more in line with the PT. The world did just fine with only three Star Wars films for almost 20 years, and it would not have been any type of loss if "Jar-Jar's Bombad Adventure" and "Lil' Ani Goes Emo" were never made...

The problem is that Lucas was so preoccupied with whether he could "fix" things that didn't need fixing that he didn't stop to think if he should. But then again he's been surrounded by "yes-men" for over 30 years (ever since he fired Gary Kurtz) so it's not surprising that such an outcome has come to pass.

I agreed with you on the pointless digital antics(like the Jawa scene) and all that. I hate the Jabbas barge changes. I dont think we are THAT far off here. Maybe I didnt come across the right way. I dont want anything destroyed or lost forever. They probably should have released the UOT with the blu-ray set. It would have added to the price and not everyone feels they need for the UOT so it may not have sold as well if the price had to be in the $140 range. Who knows why they didnt do it? Only George does.

I think you are going way overboard when comparing taking a silent/B&W film from the 20's or whenever and adding voices to it and colorized digital backgrounds. Who said that? I sure didnt. I was just pointing out that a few CG backgrounds added here and there, like the scenes from Bespin in TESB as an example do NOT hurt anything and shouldnt cause anyone any grief.

Do you really feel the UOT Yavin battle is better than the updated one which has better dogfight scenes, fixed effects errors, and more? Why cant film makers go back and clean things up where obvious errors exist - like in ROTJ during the final space battle where ships fly right through other ships? Whats wrong with making that "right"?

If art is truly never finished, only abandoned...then I guess my perspective is more inline with what "should" be done since revisiting their work is encouraged.

Is Lucas rather strange? Show me a trillionaire that isnt a little eccentric. Has George butchered SOME scenes and content. Yep. Are all the changes and edits "bad"? No freegin way. Some are good, IMO.

I will formally apologize for the "clenching the laserdisc" comment. I said it "tongue in cheek" but it probably came across as mean. Sorry 'bout that.

[rafaelsalguero]

Originally Posted by Breather

Good find. It's on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/dp/B003ZSJ212/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326312251&sr=8-1

good news... I was waiting for a better sale like $65 or $60

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Oh let it rest.

He had complete editorial control over the original trilogy when he made it. The "Yes" men argument is stupid and absurd, not to mention untrue.

IGNFF: Do you think that he felt he'd outgrown the need for a set of controls... A "no-man"?

KURTZ: I don't know. I don't think we ever talked about it in those terms, but I think that he did chafe a bit under the idea of someone saying "that's not a good idea," some of the time. At the very end of Empire ... we decided at the very last minute – we pretty much locked the picture in the mix and just getting ready to make 70mm prints – and we decided that there had to an extra shot at the very end, to identify this rebel fleet.

If you remember how the end works, it's before you go into the medical department, who are working on Mark's hand. It's the establishing shot of the fleet, and we had a shot already of going into the window and showing Mark inside, and we just decided that it was confusing We didn't know exactly how that was sorted out, so we wanted a long shot at the beginning, and then one at the end that shows the whole fleet when the Falcon flies off. They weren't very difficult to do, and all the ships were there ... just pile up the composites, and they were rushed through, just to get it done. Very last minute. One of them wasn't particularly good, and George said, "Oh well, maybe we should just let it go."

I said, "It's worth at least one more go through. One bad shot can ruin the whole movie, basically." Which I really believe is true, and it just wasn't very good. It was just a compositing problem, had nothing to do with the individual shot elements – I can't even remember what shot it was, now. I think making a movie wears everybody down. You have to be really careful of the decisions you make at the very end, because you can kind of throw a monkey wrench in, very easily. "



*************************************





This is really a great interview regarding Kurtz's and Lucas's working relatonship, check it out-

http://movies.ign.com/articles/376/376873p1.html






Kind of funny that the only really good films from all six, were the TWO that he was involved in.

.

[mikesncc1701]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Even so, some of the changes should be welcomed. My freegin goodness, enough with the UOT whining.

I wasn't whining. In fact, if you had read the post in full you would see that I'm quite happy with the blu set. BUT, options for the consumer are always welcome. For instance it's a great thing there are separate sets for the prequel and original trilogies for those who would want just one or the other for all or a specific film without their wallet being raped. It's just that it would be nice if there was an option to choose which version of what film you wanted to watch. No one can say that's a bad thing...can they?

[Snowmaker]

I was really disappointed with the OT bonus material disk (disk 8 I think). Aside from the deleted scenes, there really wasn't much on there but concept images and short little videos about the pictures or models in the images and a few short interviews, and a short tour of Lucasfilm Archives. I'd love to see a more detailed documentary of just the stuff in there.


And I still have not found that Boba Fett cartoon.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Snowmaker

And I still have not found that Boba Fett cartoon.

I do not thnk you could find it anywhere since it was only seen once on the special back in 78 and the chances of it ever been put on DVD are from zero to none

Here is a link

Star Wars Holiday Special CBS 1978 Boba Fett Cartoon. - YouTube

[mikesncc1701]

Originally Posted by Snowmaker

I was really disappointed with the OT bonus material disk (disk 8 I think). Aside from the deleted scenes, there really wasn't much on there but concept images and short little videos about the pictures or models in the images and a few short interviews, and a short tour of Lucasfilm Archives. I'd love to see a more detailed documentary of just the stuff in there.


And I still have not found that Boba Fett cartoon.

Here ya go dude. Me and my Pops watched it the other night.

http://bluray.ign.com/articles/119/1195202p1.html

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

IGNFF: Do you think that he felt he'd outgrown the need for a set of controls... A "no-man"?

KURTZ: I don't know. I don't think we ever talked about it in those terms, but I think that he did chafe a bit under the idea of someone saying "that's not a good idea," some of the time. At the very end of Empire ... we decided at the very last minute – we pretty much locked the picture in the mix and just getting ready to make 70mm prints – and we decided that there had to an extra shot at the very end, to identify this rebel fleet.

If you remember how the end works, it's before you go into the medical department, who are working on Mark's hand. It's the establishing shot of the fleet, and we had a shot already of going into the window and showing Mark inside, and we just decided that it was confusing We didn't know exactly how that was sorted out, so we wanted a long shot at the beginning, and then one at the end that shows the whole fleet when the Falcon flies off. They weren't very difficult to do, and all the ships were there ... just pile up the composites, and they were rushed through, just to get it done. Very last minute. One of them wasn't particularly good, and George said, "Oh well, maybe we should just let it go."

I said, "It's worth at least one more go through. One bad shot can ruin the whole movie, basically." Which I really believe is true, and it just wasn't very good. It was just a compositing problem, had nothing to do with the individual shot elements – I can't even remember what shot it was, now. I think making a movie wears everybody down. You have to be really careful of the decisions you make at the very end, because you can kind of throw a monkey wrench in, very easily. "

Kind of funny that the only really good films from all six, were the TWO that he was involved in.

Gary Kurtz has more sour grapes than most wine makers. He's bitter his own career hasn't been successful.

And the only things he's really known for is the stuff he did when riding Lucas's coat tails and gravy train.

And your theory is shattered by the fact he had no bearing on The Phantom Menace, and it's the best film in the Saga.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by mikesncc1701

I wasn't whining. In fact, if you had read the post in full you would see that I'm quite happy with the blu set. BUT, options for the consumer are always welcome. For instance it's a great thing there are separate sets for the prequel and original trilogies for those who would want just one or the other for all or a specific film without their wallet being raped. It's just that it would be nice if there was an option to choose which version of what film you wanted to watch. No one can say that's a bad thing...can they?

Fair enough, Mike. Sorry about that. I agreed all along that they should always include every version of every film in sets like this. No exceptions.

Its not a bad thing, no.

[Jek Porkins]

Originally Posted by 5th-beatle

It's $70.49 now.

I'm one of those "UOT whiners" that refused to buy these, but I'm even tempted at that price. I've been trying to rationalize it to myself that if, or should I say when, Lucas comes back for the inevitable Blu-Ray double dip, that the UOT will be included but not all of the extras on this nine disc set. So if I want all of the extras, because I don't even have the DVD's right now, that I should give in to the dark side and pick this up.

Then again, what do I care? I died in the Battle of Yavin anyway . . .

[Blu Warrior]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

I agreed with you on the pointless digital antics(like the Jawa scene) and all that. I hate the Jabbas barge changes. I dont think we are THAT far off here. Maybe I didnt come across the right way. I dont want anything destroyed or lost forever. They probably should have released the UOT with the blu-ray set. It would have added to the price and not everyone feels they need for the UOT so it may not have sold as well if the price had to be in the $140 range. Who knows why they didnt do it? Only George does.

I think you are going way overboard when comparing taking a silent/B&W film from the 20's or whenever and adding voices to it and colorized digital backgrounds. Who said that? I sure didnt. I was just pointing out that a few CG backgrounds added here and there, like the scenes from Bespin in TESB as an example do NOT hurt anything and shouldnt cause anyone any grief.

Do you really feel the UOT Yavin battle is better than the updated one which has better dogfight scenes, fixed effects errors, and more? Why cant film makers go back and clean things up where obvious errors exist - like in ROTJ during the final space battle where ships fly right through other ships? Whats wrong with making that "right"?

If art is truly never finished, only abandoned...then I guess my perspective is more inline with what "should" be done since revisiting their work is encouraged.

Is Lucas rather strange? Show me a trillionaire that isnt a little eccentric. Has George butchered SOME scenes and content. Yep. Are all the changes and edits "bad"? No freegin way. Some are good, IMO.

I will formally apologize for the "clenching the laserdisc" comment. I said it "tongue in cheek" but it probably came across as mean. Sorry 'bout that.

Don't apologize to him. He's the biggest jerk on this forum. He has never said anything positive about the Star Wars blus.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

This is really a great interview regarding Kurtz's and Lucas's working relatonship,
Kind of funny that the only really good films from all six, were the TWO that he was involved in.

So, basically Kurtz gave an example where he thought they should re-do a VFX shot and that makes him great? He leaves out the fact that by doing that, they missed the 70MM print runs and the revised shot only made the 35MM versions.

Lucas post Kurtz: All Indiana Jones films (including Raiders). SW Prequel Trilogy...while some here are more than happy to talk smack about them, they were hugely successful.

What had Kurtz, the producer wunderkind powerhouse you think he is done since Empire? The Dark Crystal was somewhat successful but not a blockbuster, and Return to Oz was a disaster. Seems Kurtz needed Lucas far more than Lucas needed him, in spite of Howard The Duck!

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Beast

Gary Kurtz has more sour grapes than most wine makers. He's bitter his own career hasn't been successful.

And the only things he's really known for is the stuff he did when riding Lucas's coat tails and gravy train.

And your theory is shattered by the fact he had no bearing on The Phantom Menace, and it's the best film in the Saga.

It's often said the greatest talents shine brightly for the shortest time....

Hanging on to George's coat tails while he rides the gravy train sounds extremely messy.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by chip75

It's often said the greatest talents shine brightly for the shortest time....

Yet you'd be hard pressed to name more than a handful of individuals who fit that.

[mikesncc1701]

I got around to watching the spoofs segment earlier and loved it. I wouldn't say it's worth the price of the set alone but it's a very strong and welcome special feature. I loved the Lego Star Wars really fast and AT-AT Day Afternoon.