I want my 2160p TV and upscaling Blu-ray player!

[AAM]

Seriously, no reason for us not to see 2160p capable TVs in the 50"+ category. Should be an easy step to make an upconverting Blu-ray player to support them!

[stockstar1138]

i really gotta question how much better this is going to look if all you do is upscale blu-ray. i mean no detail is going to added to the picture at all.

2160p tvs are made, but they are not retailed yet. remember with new technology comes problems. when 2160p hdtvs do come out you will be better off buying a really good 1080p tv.

[Zipzap713]

Well since the estimated cost for a 64" 2160p TV is about $50k, you'll have to wait about 15-20 years for the prices to be come even remotely affordable. Not to mention the need for extremely high storage capacity discs. looks like you'll have to endure the painful 1080p picture for a long time.

[ManUtd]

Originally Posted by Zipzap713

Well since the estimated cost for a 64" 2160p TV is about $50k, you'll have to wait about 15-20 years for the prices to be come even remotely affordable. Not to mention the need for extremely high storage capacity discs. looks like you'll have to endure the painful 1080p picture for a long time.

I hope it's worth the wait.

[Brian Cash]

i dont know how much better it can look 1080p is already looks amazing

[krazeyeyez]

Originally Posted by Brian Cash

i dont know how much better it can look 1080p is already looks amazing

says the man with the xbr

[SquidPuppet]

I allready have a 70" 2160P OLED and a zinc/ice purple laser 2160P disc player...

I'm sorry I cant say where I got them.....yet

Those Blu Ray players were so cute

[Sylin]

Originally Posted by Zipzap713

Well since the estimated cost for a 64" 2160p TV is about $50k, you'll have to wait about 15-20 years for the prices to be come even remotely affordable. Not to mention the need for extremely high storage capacity discs. looks like you'll have to endure the painful 1080p picture for a long time.

I don't think it'll be quite that long. The first plasmas hit retail about 10 years ago for $7-11k and you can buy better-quality versions now for about 1/5 the cost.

In 10 years, tho, I get the feeling that plasmas will be obsolete, replaced by OLED's or something else we haven't heard of yet. There is a TON of money and research being done in display tech right now.

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by AAM

Seriously, no reason for us not to see 2160p capable TVs in the 50"+ category. Should be an easy step to make an upconverting Blu-ray player to support them!

sign me up

[Luis_A51]

This is the most idiotic thread of all time.

For starters, it would be nearly impossible to tell the difference between 1080p and 2160p at 50"-70"

Second, upconverted BD on a 2160p tv would look worse than regular BD does on a 1080p tv.

[Luis_A51]

Originally Posted by ikcizokm

I don't think it'll be quite that long. The first plasmas hit retail about 10 years ago for $7-11k and you can buy better-quality versions now for about 1/5 the cost.

In 10 years, tho, I get the feeling that plasmas will be obsolete, replaced by OLED's or something else we haven't heard of yet. There is a TON of money and research being done in display tech right now.

A key point is the resolution though. No way will 2160p tvs be out in less than 15-20 years.

[bluseminole]

Originally Posted by Luis_A51

This is the most idiot thread of all time.

For starters, it would be nearly impossible to tell the difference between 1080p and 2160p at 50"-70"

Second, upconverted BD on a 2160p tv would look worse than regular BD does on a 1080p tv.

Idiotic, perhaps?? Couldn't resist.

I completely agree, though. We'd be better off with engineering a new disc format to provide more bandwidth, like 150mbps or something insane, than to hold 2160p. Consumer screens will only benefit from increased resolution for so long. After all, detail, color, and contrast in a properly mastered/compressed 1080p picture can be as good as the 4k studio master...was it director Brad Bird for Ratatouille who said this? I think so, and he would know.

But motion and "busy" scenes are the areas where 1080p experiences its "limitations," which is slightly inaccurate, because the artifacting and motion blur have nothing to do with the resolution, per se.

[Sonny]

I still have my heart set on the 150'' Panny 4K & 4K BD's too go with it

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by AAM

Seriously, no reason for us not to see 2160p capable TVs in the 50"+ category. Should be an easy step to make an upconverting Blu-ray player to support them!

Good for you. Never settle. I'm the same.

The thing is you need to sit less than 7 feet to resolve 1080p on a 50" as it is. So, at regular viewing distances greater than 1080p is a waste.

Panny was showing a 150" 2160p plasma set at CES. That will probably be only about $120K.

Gary

[tofur69]

From 50" to 70" in the average living room is pretty close to the limit that most people will be able to distinguish detail. Theatres that run digital projection are only running with close to the 1080p spec with little or no compression and those screens are at around 25-40 feet in size. The 4k projectors that are in production look fantastic but that tech is not ready for prime time yet (it cannot be projected on large screens yet with proper light output). SONY has been working on the 4k's for years now and they cannot break screen size limit. I ran a test with a 4k last year and was just blown away by the PQ. However, it was on a 20' screen and it still had a 2' border of unused screen all around the image. If the techs tried to expand to the edges, the pictures dimmed WELL below 16 foot candles and the contrast went to crap.

To really appreciate the 2160p resolution, you will need to start measuring your screen in feet just like the ones used in small screening rooms or even larger. The future of theatre projection will eventually cap out around no higher than 12k for large formats like IMAX and 8k for standard theatres but that is MANY years off form now. The limits will be the max detail that MOST people (generalization) can see on large screens. For home theatre buffs, 4k will happen one day but most us will probably be too old with bad eyesight to care.

I think the 15-20 year prediction is pretty dead on for the 2160p resolution for mass adoption and sooner for the SERIOUS film buffs with money to burn. 1080p will be aound for quite a long time if the screens stay at the sizes they are now at 50"to 70". Actually as I think about it, I think we will see the 2160p's on home theatre projectors in the mainstream before displays due to the sizes thay can project to.

But hey, I could be wrong. I deal with theatrical presentation every day and not the home sector.

[kaitoe]

One question; if newer movies are being filmed with 1080p cameras, would that mean that those films would have to be upscaled from their native resolution?

[PeechCobblerPie]

I don't think HDMI supports 2160 unfortunately. 1080 will have to do for me for at least 5 years WHEN DOES IT END!!!!!!

[mugen302005]

Idiotic threat? well just about that. It's pointless at this point to brag about such, as it is in this moment, pointless technology

[Canada]

Apparently you can barly notice the difference between 720p, 1080i and 1080p unless you have a 70" TV/ projector or larger.

[Canada]

Originally Posted by kaitoe

One question; if newer movies are being filmed with 1080p cameras, would that mean that those films would have to be upscaled from their native resolution?

Negatives of films ar much higher resolution than 1080p ( 1920*1080) have you heard Warner Brothers did a 4K scan of Blade Runner


The four major film formats provide pixel resolutions (calculated from pixels per millimeter) roughly as follows:

Academy Sound (Sound movies before 1955): 15 mm × 21 mm (1.375) = 2,160 × 2,970
Academy camera US Widescreen: 11 mm × 21 mm (1.85) = 1,605 × 2,970
Current Anamorphic Panavision ("Scope"): 17.5 mm × 21 mm (2.39) = 2,485 × 2,970
Super-35 for Anamorphic prints: 10 mm × 24 mm (2.39) = 1,420 × 3,390


As you can see 1080p pails in comparison to the resolution a film negitve can produce.

I have no idea what kind of resolution IMAX films have. Just found out 10,000 x 7,000. Holy Crap.