Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Troy73]

I still feel that the best lightsaber duel in the PT is between EpI Darth Maul vs Qui-gon/Obi-wan and Ep3 Anakin vs Obi-wan. All the others just don't even come close.

[Agent Bond]

The documentaries on Disc 3 were quite, but the rest of the extras on the other 2 discs I felt were paltry especially with the lack of interviews. There's so much more they could've put on there, but I guess that's what the next re-release is for.



Re: Yoda

Originally Posted by The Empire Strikes Back

Yoda: Luke! You must complete the training.

Luke Skywalker: I can't keep the vision out of my head. They're my friends. I've gotta help them.

Yoda: You must not go!

Luke: But Han and Leia will die if I don't.

Obi-Wan Kenobi: You don't know that. [appears in spirit] Even Yoda cannot see their fate.

Luke: But I can help them! I feel the Force!

Obi-Wan: But you cannot control it! This is a dangerous time for you, when you will be tempted by the Dark Side of the Force.

Yoda: Yes, yes! To Obi-Wan you listen. The cave! Remember your failure at the cave!

Luke: But I've learned so much since then. Master Yoda, I promise to return and finish what I've begun. You have my word.

*Luke gets his ass handed to him by Vader then comes back

Originally Posted by Return Of The Jedi

Luke: But I need your help. I've come back to complete the training.

Yoda: No more training, do you require. Already know you that which you need.

Me: WTF?

What did Yoda have left to teach Luke (before he changed his mind because he was dying)?


Re: Lucas

Yes, I do think if Lucas released the original versions on Blu-Ray and did them properly, many people would forgive him. I know I would. Han shooting first, The Ewoks song, and Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's spirit. That's all I want back because not having those three are the main reasons why I depise the tinkered versions.


Re: Watching order

Its traditional to watch movies in chronological order, but I think its supposed to be watched backwards. Like Godfather I then Godfather II since half of the sequel is a prequel. I think it works better that way.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Agent Bond

Me: WTF?

What did Yoda have left to teach Luke (before he changed his mind because he was dying)?

He was going to try to teach him some humility as well as revealing the truth about his parentage.

Yes, I do think if Lucas released the original versions on Blu-Ray and did them properly, many people would forgive him.

I don't think he cares, wants, or needs forgiveness from a small and vocal subset of such people.

Its traditional to watch movies in chronological order, but I think its supposed to be watched backwards. Like Godfather I then Godfather II since half of the sequel is a prequel. I think it works better that way.

Eh? I prefer episode order (I - VI). Backwards would be III, II, I, VI, V, IV. Certainly an odd way but that might be interesting.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Agent Bond

What did Yoda have left to teach Luke (before he changed his mind because he was dying)?

Well, Luke's experiences with Vader and Jabba taught him things like patience, control, and humility. Before, he was panicked and immature, and he let Vader's remarks about Obi-Wan get the best of him. By the time he returns to Dagobah, Yoda realizes that the only thing holding Luke back is his fear of killing his father in battle. Yoda comforts Luke as best he can, and Obi-Wan explains why the truth was kept from him.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

"A New Hope" implies that Vader serves the Emperor, but it doesn't get spelled out until the hologram scene in "Empire". Even then, its not fully revealed until the end of "Jedi", when Vader realizes that his master's plan is to goad Luke into killing his own father.

I certainly cared the first time I saw it. That moment had a huge impact on me, and "Episode III" increased it.

You probably think that because of growing up with the OT beforehand, but future audiences won't share that sentiment. They'll think of "Star Wars" as a six-part saga, not two trilogies set 20 years apart.

To each their own, I suppose. I can't tell you how to feel.

What I will say however, is that I'm not sure where you think Vader serving the Emperor isn't 'fully revealed' until the end of Jedi. We can tell this quite plainly before the Emperor even arrives on the transport craft:

Vader is crushing necks in an effort to put a nice squeeze on the Death Star repairs. Vader reveals that he wants things on track, and if not, they'll have to answer to the Emperor. From this moment, we KNOW Vader serves someone higher than him. We KNOW Vader is trying to make sure things are running smoothly BECAUSE the Emperor is coming. We don't even need the later hologram scene to fill us in on any of that stuff.

Also, people are arguing that Vader being Luke's father is ingrained in pop culture, therefore the moment is ruined for everyone. It isn't ruined for young folk, though. And, even if it were, there's one other thing that IS ruined by the PT's that many who have never seen the films before may NOT know - That Luke has a sister, and who that sister happens to be. Just like Luke and Vader's relationship, the relationship between Luke and his sister... hell, the fact that Luke even HAD a sister was a surprise. But we see Luke had a sister at the end of Sith, so that mystery is no longer a myster when Empire tries to play it off as one. Also, it's also supposed to be a mystery about who Yoda is in Empire until Yoda actually reveals who he is, and THAT mystery is prematurely answered now by the trilogy.

Let's define what a prequel is - A prequel is made AFTER an original effort, and is made in order to fill in the story that took place prior to the events in said original story. If Lucas made Episode I first, and went chronologically, would we still be calling them prequels? Of course not. We don't call Back to the Future a prequel to Back to the Future Part III... 'prequel' is a play on the word SEQUEL, as in, coming AFTER but telling the story of BEFORE. The prequels are meant to fill in the stuff that was alluded to in Episodes IV-VI, and keep in mind that Episode IV wasn't always called Episode IV. The prequels don't 'enhance' anything in the OT. Their purpose is to reveal the things we kind of already know, in a way that makes us say, "Wow! So that's how it happened!"

Last but not least, as far as future generations not knowing what's up with the PT and the OT - I say bullcrap. People will teach the young otherwise, and with wikipedia and many forums all over the web debating Star Wars on a regular basis, people will ALWAYS know better.

[Agent Bond]

Well, Luke's experiences with Vader and Jabba taught him things like patience, control, and humility. Before, he was panicked and immature, and he let Vader's remarks about Obi-Wan get the best of him. By the time he returns to Dagobah, Yoda realizes that the only thing holding Luke back is his fear of killing his father in battle. Yoda comforts Luke as best he can, and Obi-Wan explains why the truth was kept from him.

Oh right because Anakin lacked those which caused him to FAIL so Yoda wanted to avoid history being repeated. Gotcha. Thanks!

I don't think he cares, wants, or needs forgiveness from a small and vocal subset of such people.

No, he doesn't, but he should. I remember before 1997 when George Lucas had the upmost respect from just about everybody.

Eh? I prefer episode order (I - VI). Backwards would be III, II, I, VI, V, IV. Certainly an odd way but that might be interesting.

You know what I meant.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Uxi

He was going to try to teach him some humility as well as revealing the truth about his parentage.



I don't think he cares, wants, or needs forgiveness from a small and vocal subset of such people.




Eh? I prefer episode order (I - VI). Backwards would be III, II, I, VI, V, IV. Certainly an odd way but that might be interesting.

Where do you get that Yoda was going to tell Luke about Vader? That was never said. Yoda said not ready for the burden. "please dont give that novel crap! its not in the movies"

Small amount of people? The list keeps growing and growing!

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

...I'm not sure where you think Vader serving the Emperor isn't 'fully revealed' until the end of Jedi. We can tell this quite plainly before the Emperor even arrives on the transport craft.

That moment doesn't happen until "Jedi", when Vader mentions it to the head officer. Prior to that, there's the hologram in "Empire". The only reference we get in "A New Hope" is Tarkin's line about the Imperial Senate Council.

Vader is crushing necks in an effort to put a nice squeeze on the Death Star repairs. Vader reveals that he wants things on track, and if not, they'll have to answer to the Emperor. From this moment, we KNOW Vader serves someone higher than him.

True, but we're not sure who that is, from "Episode IV" alone.

...there's one other thing that IS ruined by the PT's that many who have never seen the films before may NOT know - That Luke has a sister, and who that sister happens to be. Just like Luke and Vader's relationship, the relationship between Luke and his sister... hell, the fact that Luke even HAD a sister was a surprise. But we see Luke had a sister at the end of "Sith", so that mystery is no longer a mystery when Empire tries to play it off as one. Also, it's also supposed to be a mystery about who Yoda is in Empire until Yoda actually reveals who he is, and THAT mystery is prematurely answered now by the trilogy.

The audience may be aware of those connections, but the characters aren't, and that's one point I was trying to make.

...'prequel' is a play on the word SEQUEL, as in, coming AFTER but telling the story of BEFORE. The prequels are meant to fill in the stuff that was alluded to in Episodes IV-VI, and keep in mind that Episode IV wasn't always called Episode IV. The prequels don't 'enhance' anything in the OT. Their purpose is to reveal the things we kind of already know, in a way that makes us say, "Wow! So that's how it happened!"

I'm well aware of the definition, and I still think the PT did a very good job of filling in the blanks. I've heard so many stories from tons of people, about the notions they came up with from watching the OT, and my own thoughts are usually akin to, "that's not even in there". At no point in those movies was Anakin made out to be some "super Jedi" with no flaws of his own. The idea of him simply being manipulated by his own fears was a very interesting approach.

People will teach the young otherwise, and with wikipedia and many forums all over the web debating Star Wars on a regular basis, people will ALWAYS know better.

The only parents who would tell their kids everything ahead of time would be those who don't care about that sense of initial wonder.

[Indyjones]

Originally Posted by Riddler The Slag

I think like many it was a chance for ol' Lucas to knock it out of the park and it just really came up as a bunt.

That pretty much sums up the PT as a whole. For the most part, I do like the PT, despite the flaws, because it is Star Wars. And there are things that Lucas does get right, but overall, I see them as a missed opportunity. I'll admit, TPM has grown on me over the years. AOTC is by far, the worst of the saga, for me anyway. Even the lightsaber battles in that one suck!

Originally Posted by RayCRP;

But I really didn't mind the Kenobi/Skywalker duel. A few things stuck out to me as pointless (flashy helicopter spins, cable swinging, etc.), and I would've preferred more of a psychological battle a la A New Hope, but given how young and naive Anakin was, their battle in Sith didn't seem out of place for me.

The only problem I have with the Battle of the Heroes, is that it lacked emotional, personal impact that the duels in the OT had. We definately got it at the end, after Obi-Wan had cut Anakin down, and that was it. The whole duel should've had that emotional impact throughout, and it just didn't. All the verbal exchange prior to that was just the same political banter that we heard throughout the entire movie.

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by The Apocalypse

I disagree with the ROTS novelization's assertion that during the Battle between Yoda and Sidious, Sidious grew stronger while Yoda grew weaker. I'd argue to the contrary in fact, which is demonstrated in that RotS Blu-ray alternate ending of the Duel in the Senate,

[Show spoiler]where it is Palpatine who flees by flying a Senate seat out of the building and Yoda remains there.

I'd prefer that version to what we got in the end, and in anycase, it would still have led to the events that unfold later.

Personally I think it actually adds to the saga. The arrogant Yoda, one of the last remaining symbols of a failed Jedi order, fails to beat Sidious. And even in ROTJ, both Obi and Yoda think Luke can beat Sidious with pure force power/lightsaber skills, whereas Luke can only beat Sidous through the one thing Sidious doesn't know/recognizes, love (Vader for his son).

[Bluyoda]

I can't believe nobody mentioned this, but 2 days ago was the 1 year anniversary of the SW Saga on BD!

I must say, that I am really happy with this set!

I have seen the films many times on BD, and they look and sound fabulous, and in the case of TPM, better than ever.

This was the most important BD release for me, and I am very grateful to have it. The set is my biggest treasure in my BD collection.

May you enjoy yours for years to come!

[The Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I can't believe nobody mentioned this, but 2 days ago was the 1 year anniversary of the SW Saga on BD!

I must say, that I am really happy with this set!

I have seen the films many times on BD, and they look and sound fabulous, and in the case of TPM, better than ever.

This was the most important BD release for me, and I am very grateful to have it. The set is my biggest treasure in my BD collection.

May you enjoy yours for years to come!

I know I will. I don't watch them very often, but for me that just makes them even better when I do. I'm planning another viewing in the very near future.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

The audience may be aware of those connections, but the characters aren't, and that's one point I was trying to make.

I dunno, man. Yoda's bit to Obi-Wan in Empire about there being "another" is a bit strange when you think about it. It's a cool moment in the movie, but in the context of the OT (never mind the PT) it just doesn't play right, because it's revealed in Jedi that they both know who Luke's sister is.

Still, all this stuff about the "surprises being ruined" by the PT is superfluous waffle unless you're specifically talking about someone watching them for the very first time. Then I agree, show them the OT first and keep those reveals intact.

But once the cat's out of the bag, what's there to moan about? You know how everything's gonna turn out, so the focus then turns to the journey rather than the destination, and that's what I find so fascinating about the retro-fitting of the OT to become Anakin's story rather than Luke's. Each action of Vader's suddenly has a new spin, turning him into Tarkin's ***** in Star Wars without altering so much as a scrap of his dialogue. We see how Luke begins to make the same mistakes as his father and wonder if he will also turn down the dark path.

I love Star Wars.

[klauswhereareyou]

Probably has to do with the fact that originally, Leia was not going to be Luke's sister. I don't think it was figured out until writing began on Jedi.

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I can't believe nobody mentioned this, but 2 days ago was the 1 year anniversary of the SW Saga on BD!

I must say, that I am really happy with this set!

I have seen the films many times on BD, and they look and sound fabulous, and in the case of TPM, better than ever.

This was the most important BD release for me, and I am very grateful to have it. The set is my biggest treasure in my BD collection.

May you enjoy yours for years to come!

I *knew* there was something special about September 16th... I just couldn't remember lol. I LOVE the Blu-ray set, totally worth every penny I spent on it. I haven't even gone through all the bonus features yet though.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by The Apocalypse

I know I will. I don't watch them very often, but for me that just makes them even better when I do. I'm planning another viewing in the very near future.

Same here. Gotta keep it special.

Originally Posted by rexcrk

I *knew* there was something special about September 16th... I just couldn't remember lol. I LOVE the Blu-ray set, totally worth every penny I spent on it. I haven't even gone through all the bonus features yet though.

Lol Nice. You definitely should. Just press PLAY ALL, and you'll probably want to fast forward during most of the turnarounds, as they are pretty slow.
Great stuff on there. I can assure you. Enjoy!

[NeoMaximuz]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

I *knew* there was something special about September 16th... I just couldn't remember lol. I LOVE the Blu-ray set, totally worth every penny I spent on it. I haven't even gone through all the bonus features yet though.

Wow, I can't believe I missed that. A year ago I was dying with anticipation. We were not let down with this set!

I also don't watch them often (not like when I was a kid and I'd see them every weekend, and on fullscreen VHS!), but that just makes them more enjoyable!

[ObiWanShinobi]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

The audience may be aware of those connections, but the characters aren't, and that's one point I was trying to make.

For people who haven't seen the Star Wars films (OT or PT) I would recommend watching A New Hope first, Empire Strikes Back second, then watch the prequel trilogy episodes I-III, THEN Return of the Jedi.

A friend mentioned this to me and it made quite a bit of sense. To start the story with Luke leading up to him finding out that Vader is his father keeps the surprise intact, then watching episodes I-III feels like a "flashback" of sorts. I find that watching it this way builds up the rise, fall, and redemption of Vader quite nicely.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by ObiWanShinobi

For people who haven't seen the Star Wars films (OT or PT) I would recommend watching A New Hope first, Empire Strikes Back second, then watch the prequel trilogy episodes I-III, THEN Return of the Jedi.

A friend mentioned this to me and it made quite a bit of sense. To start the story with Luke leading up to him finding out that Vader is his father keeps the surprise intact, then watching episodes I-III feels like a "flashback" of sorts. I find that watching it this way builds up the rise, fall, and redemption of Vader quite nicely.

That is a REALLY long flashback.

If you do it in that order, I say skip TPM.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

That is a REALLY long flashback.

If you do it in that order, I say skip TPM.

Heck you can even skip 2 and still know the whole story