Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[MacEachaidh]

Originally Posted by rikraq

I've been having a discussion with a co-worker and I want to ask you guys: For those who were around back when Return of the Jedi first came out, do you think that the word "Jedi" was referring to Luke specifically or the Jedi order?

The Jedi as a "religion"/way of life. It was set up by comments about the Jedi in earlier films — Obiwan saying how Vader had betrayed and murdered the Jedi, and a conversation with Vader (I think it was Tarkin) saying something like the Jedi's fire had gone out in the galaxy.

To me it was always that Luke was the vehicle of restoring the Jedi as a "power for good", and that's what Vader's redemption meant — before Lucas narrowed the whole thing into a story about just one person (Anikin), who he never gave us a reason to even like or care about, and peed it all away. (Along the way, never showing us the Jedi being a "force for good" in any case.)

As I recall it, prior to Jedi being released, Lucas' then-current version of "what I always intended to do" was that there would be a trilogy to follow episode VI, that was specifically about the battle to restore the Jedi philosophy to the galaxy. So Lucas deciding there wouldn't be any more was a big letdown.

What did you think, rikraq? Were you around then yourself?

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

The very same reason that Cameron gave us a weakened AVATAR. They were BOTH raising children at home at the time. So naturally their films are going to veer more towards their kids and less to the general public. Sometimes the more younger a director is the edgier they are. But once they age a few decades and start raising a family that edginess can be subdued such as has happened with Cameron.

I see where you are coming from, but I guess I don't understand the mentality. I have two teenage daughters, and have always been an amateur writer. I've never compromised my stories because of my kids. I've always wrote straight from my heart, no matter how dark the material became (and most of it deals in the darkest facets of the human race). I never write for a target audience, because the target audience is me, and I'm not five-years-old anymore.

[Leterface]

Originally Posted by rikraq

I've been having a discussion with a co-worker and I want to ask you guys: For those who were around back when Return of the Jedi first came out, do you think that the word "Jedi" was referring to Luke specifically or the Jedi order?

Well firstly to Luke, but after to new Jedis. As Yoda died the Skywalkers should had started to teach children to become Jedis. Otherwise there wouldn't had been much any points to teach Luke to become one.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by rikraq

I've been having a discussion with a co-worker and I want to ask you guys: For those who were around back when Return of the Jedi first came out, do you think that the word "Jedi" was referring to Luke specifically or the Jedi order?

At the time I took it to mean the Jedi order and that hasn't changed. Obviously that was manifested through Luke (and to a lesser extent Leia) but to the best of my recollection the idea that the title refered specifically to Luke was never even on my radar.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by rikraq

I've been having a discussion with a co-worker and I want to ask you guys: For those who were around back when Return of the Jedi first came out, do you think that the word "Jedi" was referring to Luke specifically or the Jedi order?

The first time I saw Return of the Jedi I have always seen it as both to Jedi Order and to the Skywalker family. They are the last of the Jedi in every sense.

[kemcha]

Back during the original production of the films, Jedi actually referred to Luke Skywalker, since none of us growing up in that period had any idea just how expansive the Star Wars universe was. All we knew were about the Rebellion, the Empire and their struggle. The original trilogy was all about Luke becoming a Jedi. There was no mention about other Jedi's and only referred to Luke's father as being a Jedi.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by kemcha

Back during the original production of the films, Jedi actually referred to Luke Skywalker, since none of us growing up in that period had any idea just how expansive the Star Wars universe was. All we knew were about the Rebellion, the Empire and their struggle. The original trilogy was all about Luke becoming a Jedi. There was no mention about other Jedi's and only referred to Luke's father as being a Jedi.

Episode IV tells us Obi-Wan was a Jedi. In his confrontation with Vader it can be determined that he was once a Jedi as well. Vader refers to him as his teacher. For that matter what the hell do you think Yoda is in Empire? Is he not a Jedi master to finish Luke's training.

I mean sure, their not wearing "Hey I'm a Jedi" t-shirts but we can surely put the puzzle pieces together.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by kemcha

Back during the original production of the films, Jedi actually referred to Luke Skywalker, since none of us growing up in that period had any idea just how expansive the Star Wars universe was. All we knew were about the Rebellion, the Empire and their struggle. The original trilogy was all about Luke becoming a Jedi. There was no mention about other Jedi's and only referred to Luke's father as being a Jedi.

Just off the top of my head...

Ben told Luke the Jedi kept order in the galaxy or something to that effect.

He said they were betrayed and wiped out by Anakin.

Yoda said he was training Jedi for hundreds of years (the whole 'my own counsel I will keep' bit).

Tarken tells Vader he was all that was left of their [I forget the exact noun...number, maybe?].

Sure, they didn't call it the Jedi order [edit: or maybe they did...I can't really be sure now that I think about it] or talk about the temple or the counsel but it was pretty clear even back then that the Jedi were an organization of some sort and not just a handful of crazy old wizards.

[Brightstar]

Harrison Ford Open To Playing Han Solo Again In Future 'Star Wars' Films

With Disney set to produce more Star Wars movies after buying up LucasFilms, a star of the classic trilogy now says he's open to being a part of the sequels.

Harrison Ford, who (if you live under a rock) played Han Solo, has said he's excited to be a part of the upcoming films, according to Entertainment Weekly. "Harrison is open to the idea of doing the movie and he’s upbeat about it, all three of them are," the mag quotes from a reliable source. If you are wondering who the "all three of them" is referring to, that'd be the rest of the main cast: Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher.


This is despite Ford's earlier disdain for the character. He told ABC news in 2010, "As a character he was not so interesting to me." In the same chat, he went on to say his character was written to die in Return of the Jedi, but creator George Lucas preferred to sell more toys of the character instead - which would be an easier sell if the character was alive.

Cash cow

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by kemcha

Back during the original production of the films, Jedi actually referred to Luke Skywalker, since none of us growing up in that period had any idea just how expansive the Star Wars universe was. All we knew were about the Rebellion, the Empire and their struggle. The original trilogy was all about Luke becoming a Jedi. There was no mention about other Jedi's and only referred to Luke's father as being a Jedi.

"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times... before the Empire."

- Ben Kenobi

[Bob Schlapowitz]

Originally Posted by starfantasy

Harrison Ford Open To Playing Han Solo Again In Future 'Star Wars' Films

With Disney set to produce more Star Wars movies after buying up LucasFilms, a star of the classic trilogy now says he's open to being a part of the sequels.

Harrison Ford, who (if you live under a rock) played Han Solo, has said he's excited to be a part of the upcoming films, according to Entertainment Weekly. "Harrison is open to the idea of doing the movie and he’s upbeat about it, all three of them are," the mag quotes from a reliable source. If you are wondering who the "all three of them" is referring to, that'd be the rest of the main cast: Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher.


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What about Billy Dee Williams? We've got to see what happens to Lando!

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by Bob Schlapowitz

What about Billy Dee Williams? We've got to see what happens to Lando!

He flies around the galaxy in his Colt 45 beer destroyer...

[rikraq]

Originally Posted by MacEachaidh

The Jedi as a "religion"/way of life. It was set up by comments about the Jedi in earlier films — Obiwan saying how Vader had betrayed and murdered the Jedi, and a conversation with Vader (I think it was Tarkin) saying something like the Jedi's fire had gone out in the galaxy.

To me it was always that Luke was the vehicle of restoring the Jedi as a "power for good", and that's what Vader's redemption meant — before Lucas narrowed the whole thing into a story about just one person (Anikin), who he never gave us a reason to even like or care about, and peed it all away. (Along the way, never showing us the Jedi being a "force for good" in any case.)

As I recall it, prior to Jedi being released, Lucas' then-current version of "what I always intended to do" was that there would be a trilogy to follow episode VI, that was specifically about the battle to restore the Jedi philosophy to the galaxy. So Lucas deciding there wouldn't be any more was a big letdown.

What did you think, rikraq? Were you around then yourself?

Interesting answer. Yeah, I was a kid when the OT came out. I never thought beyond Luke being the focus of the trilogy. I'm in my 40s and my co-worker is in his 20s, so the different interpretations is interesting.

[bttfiii]

i hope mark, carrie or harrison do not return for VII. That would completely kill it for me

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by bttfiii

i hope mark, carrie or harrison do not return for VII. That would completely kill it for me

What? Who do you have in mind then? Justin Bierber and Molly Cirrus or someone like that?

C'mon!

[bttfiii]

the same reason why I think Michael J Fox returning for BTTF4 is a bad bad bad idea

[beadelf]

Originally Posted by bttfiii

i hope mark, carrie or harrison do not return for VII. That would completely kill it for me

I agree

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by bttfiii

BTTF4 is a bad bad bad idea

Fixed.

[Riddler The Slag]

Originally Posted by bttfiii

i hope mark, carrie or harrison do not return for VII. That would completely kill it for me

I'm not opposed to a cameo but I DO think that the next trilogy should focus almost entirely on new characters.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

I worry most about Carrie Fischer returning.

Harrison Ford I can see returning. Mark Hamill can probably pull it off, too, but he'd have to hit the gym a little bit (he doesn't need to be "buff" or anything, but he needs to lose a few pounds).

I wouldn't want them to be the absolute main focus of the new films, but it would be nice to have them involved to a reasonable degree. I could see Luke taking on a similar role as Obi Won in Episode IV.


Carrie, however, just hasn't aged very well, quite frankly, she has her mental issues, and with all due respect to her, she seems like a bit of a mess these days. When she talks these days she just sounds kind of 'slurry' to me, and sometimes I get the feeling that she's not "all there".

I just think that any attempt to have her reprise her role will not work out well. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe she can pull it off, but I just can't picture that happening. If they do use her, hopefully it's VERY minimally.


If anyone is interested in her bizarreness, I suggest checking this out if you have a chance:



This is the complete series of "Get A Life", which was just released withint he past couple of months. It's a sitcom that aired on Fox for 2 seasons in the early 90s that has a solid cult following. It's about a 30-year-old paperboy and all of the very strange situations that he gets himself into.

I think most or all of the episodes have a standard commentary by series producer David Mirkin, but one rather bizarre and (IMO) disturbingly hilarious episode called "Spewey and Me" (about an alien from space who comes to earth, and beats up on Chris and spews goo all over everything, and Chris is convinced that he's come to earth to teach everyone about love) has a hidden extra commentary which isactivated by clicking on a picture of the Spewey alien on the DVD menu.

For some reason this hidden commentary has David Mirkin and Carrie Fisher (yes, it really is her!) discussing the episode. I have no idea why she's on there she had no involvement with the show to my knowledge. I suppose because it's an episode that involves an alien and she was in Star Wars? At any rate, the commentary is probably more bizarre than the episode itself, which is no easy feat!

While I can understand people not wanting to buy this set just for the commentary if you have no other interest in the series, itself, if you can get it on netflix or borrow it from someone who has it, I recommend checking it out just for how surreal it is.