Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I am sorry but telling a screenwriter that you think his work sucks in a chat room is not even remotely comparable to bullying a teenager because of their appearance, sexuality or social status.

Bullying is bullying. it is an attempt to debase someone else for the bully's own enjoyment. The goal is to hurt the other person's feelings (or their body if physical violence is used).

[octagon]

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

If you claim anything else as being "ironic" you'll have to change your name to Alanis.

Why? Does she use euphemisms too?

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Bullying is bullying. it is an attempt to debase someone else for the bully's own enjoyment. The goal is to hurt the other person's feelings (or their body if physical violence is used).

So when Siskel and Ebert both trashed Blue Velvet in their reviews were they bullying David Lynch?

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

So when Siskel and Ebert both trashed Blue Velvet in their reviews were they bullying David Lynch?

If they were fair and constructive, then no. But if they said, "This ****in' looser should be run out of Hollywood because he SUCKS!", then yes.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

With Lucas, he just did what he felt is best and didn't waste his time arguing with people. Obviously he heard it but he showed some class by not getting into a fight where as Orci showed why he should have never been involved with Trek to begin with.

I suppose being a multi-billionaire does bring some peace of mind, though

Actually, it doesn't matter a fig. I once spoke with a very successful musician about the amount of negative press they receive despite having sold a lot of records and selling out big concerts. They said that if they were in a room with ten people, eight of whom were fans, they'd be much more interested in speaking with the two non-fans. I think that said a lot about the essential insecurity in any artist. No matter how successful you are, you still listen when people criticise your work.

I think Lucas is a well-balanced individual, but it still must hurt when you get hate piled on you just for trying to entertain people.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by octagon

Why? Does she use euphemisms too?

I've no idea what drugs she takes.

[stvn1974]

OK, using the word "hate" is a bit strong. But I do think Lucas deserves every bit of criticism for what he has done to Star Wars. He has done a lot of great things outside of the films with charity and the creation of technologies. I still stand by my posts about the "Han Shot First" shirts and the added "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO" to Jedi.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

If they were fair and constructive, then no. But if they said, "This ****in' looser should be run out of Hollywood because he SUCKS!", then yes.

Oh dear, I'm afraid I might have bullied Bears safety Chris Conte a time or two over the past few months.

(I never called him a loser though. I said he was probably a pretty nice guy and that I would love to have a beer with him someday. Say during next year's season opener, for instance.)

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

OK, using the word "hate" is a bit strong. But I do think Lucas deserves every bit of criticism for what he has done to Star Wars. He has done a lot of great things outside of the films with charity and the creation of technologies. I still stand by my posts about the "Han Shot First" shirts and the added "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO" to Jedi.

Well, hopefully JJ will redeem some of the damage and give us a SW film worth cheering for. I think he will. I think he was the wrong choice for ST, but is the right one for SW.

I think Lucas had great ideas and got lucky with them in '77, but otherwise is a poor storyteller.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

OK, using the word "hate" is a bit strong. But I do think Lucas deserves every bit of criticism for what he has done to Star Wars. He has done a lot of great things outside of the films with charity and the creation of technologies. I still stand by my posts about the "Han Shot First" shirts and the added "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO" to Jedi.

Well, come on, you must surely see the funny side of the T-shirt? No?

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by octagon

Oh dear, I'm afraid I might have bullied Bears safety Chris Conte a time or two over the past few months.

Oh, don't worry. I'm not making these statements up on my gleaming stallion above all of you. I play in the down in mud just as much as everyone else does, unfortunately.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

Well, hopefully JJ will redeem some of the damage and give us a SW film worth cheering for. I think he will. I think he was the wrong choice for ST, but is the right one for SW.

I think Lucas had great ideas and got lucky with them in '77, but otherwise is a poor storyteller.

Lucky? For a "poor story teller" to have been as consistently successful as he has, he'd have had to have made a deal with Lucifer Morningstar himself.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

Lucky? For a "poor story teller" to have been as consistently successful as he has, he'd have had to have made a deal with Lucifer Morningstar himself.

That is your opinion. I respectfully disagree with it. I also see no reason for you to continue posting it over and over in such a short space of time.

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Not me. I've always maintained that George Lucas has always given me so much more than he's taken away, and for that I'll always be thankful.

I think that perfectly sums up the way I feel too.

[stvn1974]

OK, I am out. I can't argue with anyone who thinks that Britney Spears can sing. You win. I am going to meet some people for a late lunch and go see a movie.

[ChainsawJedi]

Originally Posted by octagon

You don't really believe it's impossible for poor storytellers to be successful in Hollywood, do you?

No idea. Lucas isn't a Hollywood director.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

This thread has had more downward spirals than a strand of DNA.

*bada BAM!*

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

Obviously he heard it but he showed some class by not getting into a fight where as Orci showed why he should have never been involved with Trek to begin with.

Hardly. He called a spade a spade. It was directed at a certain group of loudly braying donkeys...who to this day STILL won't stop bringing up their hatred of the new films in anything and everything STAR TREK related (just look at Facebook).

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

I suppose being a multi-billionaire does bring some peace of mind, though

Actually, it doesn't matter a fig. I once spoke with a very successful musician about the amount of negative press they receive despite having sold a lot of records and selling out big concerts. They said that if they were in a room with ten people, eight of whom were fans, they'd be much more interested in speaking with the two non-fans. I think that said a lot about the essential insecurity in any artist. No matter how successful you are, you still listen when people criticise your work.

I think Lucas is a well-balanced individual, but it still must hurt when you get hate piled on you just for trying to entertain people.

And I think that is the big difference - people who are too insecure(or too arrogant) will fight right away while others are curious why you don't like it. They may not change what they are doing but they will at least listen. I love watching Kitchen Nightmares because people fight right away when Gordon tells them their food sucks - they are going out of business and yet they say "not everyone hates it" as a reason to keep doing the same thing.

Lucas was successful but he was also lucky. The story he told isn't a new one but he was able to present it in a way people hadn't seen before and was able to grab the audience. He was lucky because any number of things could have caused Star Wars to be a horrible movie - look at the early effects they were trying! But he was smart and was able to craft a successful movie, then trilogy of movies, then 3 good and 3 movies so you have to give him credit for that.

As for Spears, she is in an industry where being a good singer isn't really a benefit so even if she can sing decently, she will never actually be given the opportunity to do that. Pop music doesn't want good singers, they want a gimmick they can sell. That's why the same "controvercy" that sells Miley Cyrus albums sold Madonna's albums, sold ... albums - it is a factory and they just need the newest flavor to sell (sounds kind of like movies too, doesn't it).

[OI8T12]

I thought this thread was about Star Wars? I guess not.