NBA Playoffs 2008 Discussion

[MATTYBLU2]

Originally Posted by jq71586

Just because the best team wins the championship doesn't mean they have the best player.

you missed the point and i did not say that

[eli1277]

Originally Posted by jq71586

Just because the best team wins the championship doesn't mean they have the best player.

just because they had the best record does not make them the best team. neither does winning the championship make them the best team.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by MATTYBLU2

you missed the point and i did not say that

Then why are you confused about it?

[Bluoholic]

Originally Posted by Bigdog

It's really impossible to compare era's these day's, hell if the 80's lakers and celtics played last night with those refs, both teams starters would be all fouled out within the first half. It's just a completely different game now compared to decades past.

We can thank those cry baby players that are in the NBA right now, they made the game what it is today. All the arguing with refs, getting knocked down by air and crying for a foul.

[Bluoholic]

Originally Posted by Uxi

and neither could Jordan until he had the proper cast built up around him (see the Jordan Wizards or the Bulls from the mid 80s through 1990).

yeah, after all basketball is a team sport but Jordan was a force and was a leader, if his team was in trouble how many times he brought them up? Where was this proper cast when Jordan left for two years in mid 90's? He's the best guy who played this sport for a reason.

Wizards Jordan took the team to the play-offs, didn't he? Besides, my 5 bucks are going with NBA bagged him to come back because rankings tanked right after he retired.

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by Bluoholic

Wizards Jordan took the team to the play-offs, didn't he? Besides, my 5 bucks are going with NBA bagged him to come back because rankings tanked right after he retired.

Sorry, the Jordan-led Wiz missed the playoffs in both 2002 and 2003. In both of those seasons, they were barely hanging onto either the #7 or #8 spot even after the all-star weekend. Then things only got worse for them after their annual west coast trip in March in both of those years.

[Bluoholic]

Originally Posted by Azyiu

Sorry, the Jordan-led Wiz missed the playoffs in both 2002 and 2003. In both of those seasons, they were barely hanging onto either the #7 or #8 spot even after the all-star weekend. Then things only got worse for them after their annual west coast trip in March in both of those years.

ok I stand corrected. I didn't follow Wizards with Jordan, I think it was a mistake for him to come back anyway.

[TwYsTeD]

Originally Posted by Uxi

You apparently missed the stint with the Wizards.

Obviously not the way I thought it would go, but have to give the Celtics credit for their defense that took Gasol and Odom so much out of their games. Kobe can't do it all alone... and neither could Jordan until he had the proper cast built up around him (see the Jordan Wizards or the Bulls from the mid 80s through 1990).

As good as the Celtics change from the previous year was, the Lakers year was almost as good, except they only got one good trade to net the difference. Hopefully they can make some moves in the offseason. A good power forward or backup center to Bynum is what's needed most, as both Odom and Gasol are softer shooting types.

well said bro most people like to forget Jordans early career in the leauge or his stint with the wizards

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Bluoholic

yeah, after all basketball is a team sport but Jordan was a force and was a leader, if his team was in trouble how many times he brought them up? Where was this proper cast when Jordan left for two years in mid 90's? He's the best guy who played this sport for a reason.

Sure. Jordan won many games for the Bulls (excepting the '95 "i'm back" season) that they otherwise wouldn't have won. Just like Kobe, which is the impetus for these comparisons. I definitely think that Kobe is the best player in the league right now.... but most likely not to the level of the 96-97'ish Jordan (or even the 1992'ish vintage). Yet. Kobe's potential, I think, is higher than both in an dominance perspective.

Originally Posted by Bluholic

Besides, my 5 bucks are going with NBA bagged him to come back because rankings tanked right after he retired.

Most definitely.

On an aside, I'm not entirely sure that the first retirement was voluntary (I'm thinking some soft of clandestine on the DL suspension wrt the gambling myself), but that's neither here nor there.

[SDon1969]

Originally Posted by TwYsTeD

well said bro most people like to forget Jordans early career in the leauge or his stint with the wizards

Or his attempt to break into pro baseball!

[Azyiu]

Originally Posted by SDon1969

Or his attempt to break into pro baseball!

And don't even mention his attempt as an NBA executive either.

[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Yet. Kobe's potential, I think, is higher than both in an dominance perspective.

Kobe isn't higher in any category over Jordan.

[GH0STrider]

Originally Posted by eli1277

just because they had the best record does not make them the best team. neither does winning the championship make them the best team.

Um... Actually if you win the championship you are the best team. That's kinda what that means.

[cajmoyper]

Originally Posted by GH0STrider

Um... Actually if you win the championship you are the best team. That's kinda what that means.

I agree. What that guy said is probably one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
-Just because someone wins an Oscar doesn't make them a good actor.
-Just because someone wins the MVP doesn't mean their a good player.
-Just because someone weighs 400 lbs doesn't mean their fat.

[MATTYBLU2]

Originally Posted by eli1277

just because they had the best record does not make them the best team. neither does winning the championship make them the best team.

This statement is soooo funny i fell off my chair

ok so what does it mean genious I give up....

if they have the best record and win the championship what does that mean???


WOW!!!

[MATTYBLU2]

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

I agree. What that guy said is probably one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
-Just because someone wins an Oscar doesn't make them a good actor.
-Just because someone wins the MVP doesn't mean their a good player.
-Just because someone weighs 400 lbs doesn't mean their fat.

wow, thank you. i was beginning to think people were not all there for a minute. thanks for understanding

[cajmoyper]

I only said it because I ran out of bitterness for the year. Just kidding. And if that guy was implying that the Lakers were the best team...
-Kobe was held in check as much as could be. This Boston defense was for real.
-Many of the games were not close, I'd say that in at least every game, Boston was at some point or another up by 20 or more.
-These Lakers reminded me of the Spurs in '99. We would be up huge going into the fourth quarter and squander it making each game close when it shouldn't have been. Except these Lakers couldn't ever build those leads, and they would get down huge.
Boston Celtics= 2008 NBA Champions. Deal with it.

[MATTYBLU2]

Originally Posted by cajmoyper

I only said it because I ran out of bitterness for the year. Just kidding. And if that guy was implying that the Lakers were the best team...
-Kobe was held in check as much as could be. This Boston defense was for real.
-Many of the games were not close, I'd say that in at least every game, Boston was at some point or another up by 20 or more.
-These Lakers reminded me of the Spurs in '99. We would be up huge going into the fourth quarter and squander it making each game close when it shouldn't have been. Except these Lakers couldn't ever build those leads, and they would get down huge.
Boston Celtics= 2008 NBA Champions. Deal with it.

I hear ya there man!!!!

[NJ_RAMS_FAN]

Originally Posted by MATTYBLU2

This statement is soooo funny i fell off my chair

ok so what does it mean genious I give up....

if they have the best record and win the championship what does that mean???


WOW!!!

1. Boston plays in the EAST!!!! Only other contender is Detriot.
2. It could have easily been the hornets or the spurs playing Boston, which could have turned out to be a different series. So no, although you are the champions, that doesn't make you a best team in the league. come on, Boston has THREE all stars. They were supposed to win the championship since pre-season. Look at the NFL. Patriots(I still don't like them ) are the best team, but they chocked in the Super Bowl. Just because the Giant (don't like them either ) won, that still doesn't mean they are the best team out there. They just got ugly and pulled it off. but if it was best of 3 or something like that, Patriots would have won it easily.
3. NBA IS OVER!!! That's it, Boston won, stop complaint about other people bashing on them.

[nitteo]

NBA 2008 is over. Give credit where credit is due...Celtics are Champs.

Looking forward to all the off-season moves, lots of names being thrown around.

Cheers to the 2009 Season.